Proof that DVD9 is limited, Mass Effect Chris Priestly comments

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

and the wonderful link

http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=560472&forum=104&sp=15

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

mangobear

HAVE A LINK 

[QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

adam_1_basic

HAVE A LINK 

Yup, sorry about that

http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=560472&forum=104&sp=15

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

mangobear

Are you sure they aren't talking about the RAM?Raidea

He mentioned Voice overs, so he's not talking about ram in this case.

didnt :R:FOM uses 17 gigabyte and still you can finish the game in 12 hourse ?

intresting :)

Are you sure they aren't talking about the RAM?Raidea

Not unless you load the entire game into RAM all at once, which no modern game does.

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

mangobear

2 words for you:

swapping disks.

Here's another 3:

multi disk games

Here's 50+ words:

if you're too lazy to swap disks you have some damned serious issues that need to be addressed. sell your ps3 and buy a wii and play wii sports until you have more energy to get off your ass and SWAP DISKS.

i remember the old PC days when i had to swap 10 cds to play a game, didn't make the game less fun.

[QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

magus-21

If you actually had the slightly clue you would know that DVD storage memory, so is any data source to a developer.  When they say RAM they mean RAM.  When they say memory, they may mean RAM but they often are referring to any memory source.

[QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

magus-21

Which is why he mentioned dialogue and voice overs?

[QUOTE="Raidea"]Are you sure they aren't talking about the RAM?mangobear

He mentioned Voice overs, so he's not talking about ram in this case.

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

mangobear

Which is why he mentioned dialogue and voice overs?

[QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

magus-21

I think TC is confused.

/thread failed

[QUOTE="mangobear"]

[QUOTE="Raidea"]Are you sure they aren't talking about the RAM?magus-21

He mentioned Voice overs, so he's not talking about ram in this case.

 He is talking about RAM and it's true consoles are still a little behind with only 512MB.

Oh man.  I guess I better huck my 360 out since all future games are going to only last 5 hours or be 15 to 60 hours long and not have a lot of immersion.

Actually the proof that DVD9 is limited is already in the title of the format.  9.  Uh only holds up to 9gb so whats your point?  Besides, holographic disks are going to rule the format world.  (snickers...)

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

billing

I think TC is confused.

/thread failed

What does RAM have to do with how long a game is? did you read the part where he said it would be a 5 hour game if they added in all those features?

[QUOTE="mangobear"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

magus-21

Which is why he mentioned dialogue and voice overs?

 Because he meant MEMORY which is all sources of memory: DVD storage, HDD storage, RAM, etc. MEMORY is a set of storage that includes but is not limited to RAM.

[QUOTE="billing"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

mangobear

I think TC is confused.

/thread failed

What does RAM have to do with how long a game is? did you read the part where he said it would be a 5 hour game if they added in all those features?

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="mangobear"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

DerekLoffin

Which is why he mentioned dialogue and voice overs?

Because he meant MEMORY which is all sources of memory: DVD storage, HDD storage, RAM, etc. MEMORY is a set of storage that includes but is not limited to RAM.

[QUOTE="mangobear"][QUOTE="billing"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

magus-21

I think TC is confused.

/thread failed

What does RAM have to do with how long a game is? did you read the part where he said it would be a 5 hour game if they added in all those features?

Sorry about that, I used the term very loosely, seeing as how anyone on there forums that works for bioware is considered a developer.

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

and the wonderful link

http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=560472&forum=104&sp=15

mangobear

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="mangobear"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

magus-21

Which is why he mentioned dialogue and voice overs?

Because he meant MEMORY which is all sources of memory: DVD storage, HDD storage, RAM, etc. MEMORY is a set of storage that includes but is not limited to RAM.

Actually, a code developer wouldn't call it memory, he'd call it RAM that would be the percise terminology (but this guy isn't restricting what's talking about to RAM).  Memory as I said encompasses any place you store data.  That's why we call them MEMORY CARDS.  It's the general term.

No, memory is completely different from storage, and no developer would ever make that mistake. So either this guy is talking about RAM, because that's the only thing memory can refer to, or he's not a developer and thus should not be taken as an authority.magus-21

Yes, whenever I hear memory mentioned I think of RAM, primary storage.

However, I think the guy is right when he said in the original quote he was talking about memory as a whole. 

[QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

and the wonderful link

http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=560472&forum=104&sp=15

 

gnutux

Now I'm not a tech person, but why would he talk about voice overs and the size of the game being limited as a problem from ram?

TC selfowned for not knowing the difference between Memory and Storage.

Although the Dev used the word "Memory", they probably meant disc space because they are talking about the length of the game. Limitations of RAM wouldn't affect the overall length of the game experience in any way but the performance of the game for its whole length.

But enough of this, I know better than to get into the middle of a fanboy slug fest.

TC selfowned for not knowing the difference between Memory and Storage.

 

billing

Then please good sir, explain how a length of a game has anything to do with ram?

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

mangobear

you know memory means RAM right? lol ... if anything that proves this game couldn't be done on PS3 because of the lack of system memory

[QUOTE="gnutux"][QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

and the wonderful link

http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=560472&forum=104&sp=15

 

mangobear

Now I'm not a tech person, but why would he talk about voice overs and the size of the game being limited as a problem from ram?

 Bigger the game the more variables there are if they want to make a game that decisions in the beginning have an effect later on the game, it does take up memory especially if the game is bigger. I'm thinking they're using a lot of selection and iteration for voice-overs since you're not limited to saying one thing, you can choose how to respond so that takes RAM as well.

[QUOTE="gnutux"][QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

and the wonderful link

http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=560472&forum=104&sp=15

mangobear

Now I'm not a tech person, but why would he talk about voice overs and the size of the game being limited as a problem from ram?

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="mangobear"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

DerekLoffin

Which is why he mentioned dialogue and voice overs?

Because he meant MEMORY which is all sources of memory: DVD storage, HDD storage, RAM, etc. MEMORY is a set of storage that includes but is not limited to RAM.

Actually, a code developer wouldn't call it memory, he'd call it RAM that would be the percise terminology (but this guy isn't restricting what's talking about to RAM). Memory as I said encompasses any place you store data. That's why we call them MEMORY CARDS. It's the general term.

[QUOTE="billing"]

TC selfowned for not knowing the difference between Memory and Storage.

 

mangobear

Then please good sir, explain how a length of a game has anything to do with ram?

because I you are able to load up a number of things in any1 area to distract the player and add immersion...no game developer or any pc savvy person would call storage, memory...

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="mangobear"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="mangobear"]

"Well, I can't comment on how hard it is to actually program and implement as I am not a programmer. Everything is hard to some degree, but how hard I am just not sure.

I can say that everything added to a game takes up memory. You want lots of VO? Memory. Cool effects? Memory? Different heads on everyone? Memory. All the little "immersion" factors people like to see? Memory. It comes down to Casey and the team leads to make judgement calls of what needs to be in the game to have the immersion level they want and what has to stay out due to memory.

I have no doubt we could have an uber-cool game with day/night, dialog, VO, effects and all that jazz "immersion" elements in it if you are ok with us putting out a 5 hour gameplay game. The problem is we aren't shooting for a mere 5 hour game. We want a game that will take players anywhere (depending on how thouroughly they play the game) anywhere from somewhere between 15 and 60 hours to play through.

It's not just a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of what is needed in order to make the game fun. Day and Night cycles are cool and all, but in the end, they are not necessary to making Mass Effect a very cool game"

This is probably why Gears of War was pretty short as well. Its a shame that games have to be limited, but this now prroves just how limited DVD9 is.

magus-21

Which is why he mentioned dialogue and voice overs?

Because he meant MEMORY which is all sources of memory: DVD storage, HDD storage, RAM, etc. MEMORY is a set of storage that includes but is not limited to RAM.

Actually, a code developer wouldn't call it memory, he'd call it RAM that would be the percise terminology (but this guy isn't restricting what's talking about to RAM). Memory as I said encompasses any place you store data. That's why we call them MEMORY CARDS. It's the general term.

Sounds like they are talking about RAM... not disc space.foxhound_fox

that's what I saw too. 

lol i'm guessing the guy who said this isn't even an actual developer...

even someone who hasn't read any technical manuals outside a newspaper ad knows that memory refers to RAM... disc space is called storage...

but then again the guy who said this is probably so noob that he doesn't know the difference and was actually refering to storage lol... but nevertheless memory = RAM... you know... Random Access MEMORY