PS Vita: WTF???

I just discovered this today, and I'm glad I did. Every time I'm on the verge of purchasing a Vita, something like this turns up, and Sony successfully turns me off from the system entirely.

So get this: on a PS Vita, a system that is designed to be digital only, a system that pretty muchforces you to buy an overpriced proprietary Memory Card, and then go digital with it, won't let you backup your saves. If you delete a PS Vita game from your system, you also delete its save file.You can't delete just the game and retain the save files. This is in complete opposition to every other system ever so far, and every other downloadable games service, including PSN, XBL, Steam, and WiiWare. And the worst part is, the system won't even warn you that your file will be deleted too when you delete the game from your system.

But hey, at least buying games from retail only should solve the issue, right? WRONG. Because you see, every time you save a game on your Vita, a bubble appears on your home screen. This bubble represents the save, and if you delete it, you will also delete your save file.

Fine, put it away, put it out of sight, it's not like it matters, is it? Wrong again. You see, the PS Vita allows for only 100 bubbles max. So if you have ten Vita games, a dozen apps, some PSP games, the upcoming PS1 games, and PS Minis, in addition to pre installed apps that can't be removed, you're SOL, because you can't save your game anymore unless you clear some space out. This 100 bubble limit is independent of your Memory Card size. Oh, and the fact that the Vita has no folders mans you have lots of useless little save bubbles cluttering up your home screen.

Adding insult to injury: the PS Vita doesn't support cloud saves. The only way to backup your saves is tobackup the entire game onto your PC or PS3.

What I don't understand is, when Sony had such a good system with the PSP going, why did they regress to this? Nintendo offers an infinitely more elegant solution on the 3DS. Saves are handled independently of the game by the system, kept out of sight and hidden away from the user unless he manages data on a PC, in which case they can all be copied and backed up individually or otherwise onto the PC in a matter of seconds.

This is a gigantic usability issue. Seriously, Sony. What a clusterf*ck.

Sony should stick with consoles. That's what they are best at.

Didn't know that happened when you deleted games. That will probably get changed at some point because its dumb.

[QUOTE="crippled_ram"]

I just discovered this today, and I'm glad I did. Every time I'm on the verge of purchasing a Vita, something like this turns up, and Sony successfully turns me off from the system entirely.

So get this: on a PS Vita, a system that is designed to be digital only, a system that pretty muchforces you to buy an overpriced proprietary Memory Card, and then go digital with it,won't let you backup your saves. If you delete a PS Vita game from your system, you also delete its save file.You can't delete just the game and retain the save files. This is in complete opposition to every other system ever so far, and every other downloadable games service, including PSN, XBL, Steam, and WiiWare. And the worst part is, the system won't even warn you that your file will be deleted too when you delete the game from your system.

But hey, at least buying games from retail only should solve the issue, right? WRONG. Because you see, every time you save a game on your Vita, a bubble appears on your home screen. This bubble represents the save, and if you delete it, you will also delete your save file.

Fine, put it away, put it out of sight, it's not like it matters, is it? Wrong again. You see, the PS Vita allows for only 100 bubbles max. So if you have ten Vita games, a dozen apps, some PSP games, the upcoming PS1 games, and PS Minis, in addition to pre installed apps that can't be removed, you're SOL, because you can't save your game anymore unless you clear some space out. This 100 bubble limit is independent of your Memory Card size. Oh, and the fact that the Vita has no folders mans you have lots of useless little save bubbles cluttering up your home screen.

Adding insult to injury: the PS Vita doesn't support cloud saves. The only way to backup your saves is tobackup the entire game onto your PC or PS3.

What I don't understand is, when Sony had such a good system with the PSP going, why did they regress to this? Nintendo offers an infinitely more elegant solution on the 3DS. Saves are handled independently of the game by the system, kept out of sight and hidden away from the user unless he manages data on a PC, in which case they can all be copied and backed up individually or otherwise onto the PC in a matter of seconds.

This is a gigantic usability issue. Seriously, Sony. What a clusterf*ck.

Desmonic

I get what you're saying, I do.. but you've got your soluton right there O.O... sooo..yeah. Sony should have made it better, more like the PS3 OS, but you can backup to your PC or your PS3...

[QUOTE="crippled_ram"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

I get what you're saying, I do.. but you've got your soluton right there O.O... sooo..yeah. Sony should have made it better, more like the PS3 OS, but you can backup to your PC or your PS3...

Desmonic

No, actually the only way it would be worse was it you couldn't backup....at all :P Still that needs to be corrected. Also I'm guessing telling your saves would be deleted before you did so would only prevent you from deleting them, you would still rage when you found out all about it... I know I would lol XD

They'll probably correct it with some update (especially if people start complaining) but it shouldn't work like that in the first place.

How does PS Vita force you to go digital when you can buy physical copies of the games. I doubt deleting a game you get off the PS Store deletes the save either.. Where the hell are you getting your information from?

Hopefully those deleting your save file issues are solved in the future, on and with the UI issues personally I'm just going to custom my UI as soon as it's available, I hate the Vitas bubbles.Blake135

Yeah, they should have used the XMB like the PS3 which is absolutely superb.

How does PS Vita force you to go digital when you can buy physical copies of the games. I doubt deleting a game you get off the PS Store deletes the save either.. Where the hell are you getting your information from?

Crossel777

But hey, at least buying games from retail only should solve the issue, right? WRONG. Because you see, every time you save a game on your Vita, a bubble appears on your home screen. This bubble represents the save, and if you delete it, you will also delete your save file.

Fine, put it away, put it out of sight, it's not like it matters, is it? Wrong again. You see, the PS Vita allows for only 100 bubbles max. So if you have ten Vita games, a dozen apps, some PSP games, the upcoming PS1 games, and PS Minis, in addition to pre installed apps that can't be removed, you're SOL, because you can't save your game anymore unless you clear some space out. This 100 bubble limit is independent of your Memory Card size. Oh, and the fact that the Vita has no folders mans you have lots of useless little save bubbles cluttering up your home screen.

crippled_ram

[QUOTE="Blake135"]Hopefully those deleting your save file issues are solved in the future, on and with the UI issues personally I'm just going to custom my UI as soon as it's available, I hate the Vitas bubbles.GamerwillzPS

Yeah, they should have used the XMB like the PS3 which is absolutely superb.

[QUOTE="Crossel777"]

How does PS Vita force you to go digital when you can buy physical copies of the games. I doubt deleting a game you get off the PS Store deletes the save either.. Where the hell are you getting your information from?

crippled_ram

But hey, at least buying games from retail only should solve the issue, right? WRONG. Because you see, every time you save a game on your Vita, a bubble appears on your home screen. This bubble represents the save, and if you delete it, you will also delete your save file.

Fine, put it away, put it out of sight, it's not like it matters, is it? Wrong again. You see, the PS Vita allows for only 100 bubbles max. So if you have ten Vita games, a dozen apps, some PSP games, the upcoming PS1 games, and PS Minis, in addition to pre installed apps that can't be removed, you're SOL, because you can't save your game anymore unless you clear some space out. This 100 bubble limit is independent of your Memory Card size. Oh, and the fact that the Vita has no folders mans you have lots of useless little save bubbles cluttering up your home screen.

crippled_ram

So you are not buying Vita because it has very minor fixable flaw?

ok

That sounds pretty idiotic of Sony, but I can't see this not being fixed in a future update.

im gona end up just getting the E-1000 psp, its dirt cheap, so much epic titles such as Valyria Chronicles and Metal Gear Solid, Vita is only for those who have alot of money in their pockets.

Good odl Sony finding hidden ways to screw people over. I was happy with my ps3 until I started having some minor issues with it....that couldn't be easily fixed only because of some decisions they had made. The last straw was when mine YLOD and I found out that I couldn't just take out the harddrive because it would reformat automatically, same with if it was sent in to be worked on. No way to save you info that is just sitting on the hard drive. And now it seems they are taking a stupidly difficult route with saving information on the Vita....what are they thinking?

This can't be fix by a future update? Damn Sony :x

That sounds pretty idiotic of Sony, but I can't see this not being fixed in a future update.

Thefatness16

Yes, I find that to be a serious flaw. It must really suck for those who do not own a PS3 (or PC, but that's very unlikely) [QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

That sounds pretty idiotic of Sony, but I can't see this not being fixed in a future update.

bbkkristian

Yes, I find that to be a serious flaw. It must really suck for those who do not own a PS3 (or PC, but that's very unlikely) [QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

That sounds pretty idiotic of Sony, but I can't see this not being fixed in a future update.

bbkkristian

That's exactly what I meant.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]Yes, I find that to be a serious flaw. It must really suck for those who do not own a PS3 (or PC, but that's very unlikely) [QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

That sounds pretty idiotic of Sony, but I can't see this not being fixed in a future update.

Thefatness16

That's exactly what I meant.

Well that's dumb. So dumb it's hard to believe.

Actually vita is not digital only you can still buy physical copy games retail and get a small 4gb($25) memory card.. All my digital games and saves are backed up on pc like I did for psp. A full memory card is an issue on most systems. Psp I was always close to full same for my pocket pc before that.p4s2p0

There is small annoyances but they are still miles ahead of nintendo for what I want out of my portable. Like being able to get all games games digitally or party chat while in a game.p4s2p0

I just discovered this today, and I'm glad I did. Every time I'm on the verge of purchasing a Vita, something like this turns up, and Sony successfully turns me off from the system entirely.

So get this: on a PS Vita, a system that is designed to be digital only, a system that pretty muchforces you to buy an overpriced proprietary Memory Card, and then go digital with it, won't let you backup your saves. If you delete a PS Vita game from your system, you also delete its save file.You can't delete just the game and retain the save files. This is in complete opposition to every other system ever so far, and every other downloadable games service, including PSN, XBL, Steam, and WiiWare. And the worst part is, the system won't even warn you that your file will be deleted too when you delete the game from your system.

But hey, at least buying games from retail only should solve the issue, right? WRONG. Because you see, every time you save a game on your Vita, a bubble appears on your home screen. This bubble represents the save, and if you delete it, you will also delete your save file.

Fine, put it away, put it out of sight, it's not like it matters, is it? Wrong again. You see, the PS Vita allows for only 100 bubbles max. So if you have ten Vita games, a dozen apps, some PSP games, the upcoming PS1 games, and PS Minis, in addition to pre installed apps that can't be removed, you're SOL, because you can't save your game anymore unless you clear some space out. This 100 bubble limit is independent of your Memory Card size. Oh, and the fact that the Vita has no folders mans you have lots of useless little save bubbles cluttering up your home screen.

Adding insult to injury: the PS Vita doesn't support cloud saves. The only way to backup your saves is tobackup the entire game onto your PC or PS3.

What I don't understand is, when Sony had such a good system with the PSP going, why did they regress to this? Nintendo offers an infinitely more elegant solution on the 3DS. Saves are handled independently of the game by the system, kept out of sight and hidden away from the user unless he manages data on a PC, in which case they can all be copied and backed up individually or otherwise onto the PC in a matter of seconds.

This is a gigantic usability issue. Seriously, Sony. What a clusterf*ck.

crippled_ram

This is what I got from your post:

• The Vita won't let you back up your saves.
• No warning when you're about to delete a game.
• Save games are in the bubbles.
• "Only" 100 bubbles currently allowed on the Vita.
• No cloud saving, but back up can be done vita PC (contradicting first issue).

What you're essentially saying, is that you got so many games you'll want to play, all in the same periode, that you somehow manages to reach the limit of the bubbles (100)? Is this really an issue that keeps you from buying the product or do you just need to b1tch about everything online? We're talking about a minor issue that won't bother most current owners and yet it's enough to keep you from buying it?

I haven't counted the pre-installed bubbles, but if we say there are 15 you'll have room for 85 games be it minis, PSN, PSP or regular PSV titles. Are you seriously saying that you'll be playing 85+ games regularly?

Besides, Sony will most likely correct this issue some time down the road. It's stupid, yes, but an issue that'll keep someone away from buying it? I highly doubt that.

There is small annoyances but they are still miles ahead of nintendo for what I want out of my portable. Like being able to get all games games digitally or party chat while in a game.p4s2p0

[QUOTE="crippled_ram"]

I just discovered this today, and I'm glad I did. Every time I'm on the verge of purchasing a Vita, something like this turns up, and Sony successfully turns me off from the system entirely.

So get this: on a PS Vita, a system that is designed to be digital only, a system that pretty muchforces you to buy an overpriced proprietary Memory Card, and then go digital with it, won't let you backup your saves. If you delete a PS Vita game from your system, you also delete its save file.You can't delete just the game and retain the save files. This is in complete opposition to every other system ever so far, and every other downloadable games service, including PSN, XBL, Steam, and WiiWare. And the worst part is, the system won't even warn you that your file will be deleted too when you delete the game from your system.

But hey, at least buying games from retail only should solve the issue, right? WRONG. Because you see, every time you save a game on your Vita, a bubble appears on your home screen. This bubble represents the save, and if you delete it, you will also delete your save file.

Fine, put it away, put it out of sight, it's not like it matters, is it? Wrong again. You see, the PS Vita allows for only 100 bubbles max. So if you have ten Vita games, a dozen apps, some PSP games, the upcoming PS1 games, and PS Minis, in addition to pre installed apps that can't be removed, you're SOL, because you can't save your game anymore unless you clear some space out. This 100 bubble limit is independent of your Memory Card size. Oh, and the fact that the Vita has no folders mans you have lots of useless little save bubbles cluttering up your home screen.

Adding insult to injury: the PS Vita doesn't support cloud saves. The only way to backup your saves is tobackup the entire game onto your PC or PS3.

What I don't understand is, when Sony had such a good system with the PSP going, why did they regress to this? Nintendo offers an infinitely more elegant solution on the 3DS. Saves are handled independently of the game by the system, kept out of sight and hidden away from the user unless he manages data on a PC, in which case they can all be copied and backed up individually or otherwise onto the PC in a matter of seconds.

This is a gigantic usability issue. Seriously, Sony. What a clusterf*ck.

danish-death

This is what I got from your post:

• The Vita won't let you back up your saves.
• No warning when you're about to delete a game.
• Save games are in the bubbles.
• "Only" 100 bubbles currently allowed on the Vita.
• No cloud saving, but back up can be done vita PC (contradicting first issue).

What you're essentially saying, is that you got so many games you'll want to play, all in the same periode, that you somehow manages to reach the limit of the bubbles (100)? Is this really an issue that keeps you from buying the product or do you just need to b1tch about everything online? We're talking about a minor issue that won't bother most current owners and yet it's enough to keep you from buying it?

I haven't counted the pre-installed bubbles, but if we say there are 15 you'll have room for 85 games be it minis, PSN, PSP or regular PSV titles. Are you seriously saying that you'll be playing 85+ games regularly?

Besides, Sony will most likely correct this issue some time down the road. It's stupid, yes, but an issue that'll keep someone away from buying it? I highly doubt that.

[QUOTE="danish-death"]

[QUOTE="crippled_ram"]

I just discovered this today, and I'm glad I did. Every time I'm on the verge of purchasing a Vita, something like this turns up, and Sony successfully turns me off from the system entirely.

So get this: on a PS Vita, a system that is designed to be digital only, a system that pretty muchforces you to buy an overpriced proprietary Memory Card, and then go digital with it, won't let you backup your saves. If you delete a PS Vita game from your system, you also delete its save file.You can't delete just the game and retain the save files. This is in complete opposition to every other system ever so far, and every other downloadable games service, including PSN, XBL, Steam, and WiiWare. And the worst part is, the system won't even warn you that your file will be deleted too when you delete the game from your system.

But hey, at least buying games from retail only should solve the issue, right? WRONG. Because you see, every time you save a game on your Vita, a bubble appears on your home screen. This bubble represents the save, and if you delete it, you will also delete your save file.

Fine, put it away, put it out of sight, it's not like it matters, is it? Wrong again. You see, the PS Vita allows for only 100 bubbles max. So if you have ten Vita games, a dozen apps, some PSP games, the upcoming PS1 games, and PS Minis, in addition to pre installed apps that can't be removed, you're SOL, because you can't save your game anymore unless you clear some space out. This 100 bubble limit is independent of your Memory Card size. Oh, and the fact that the Vita has no folders mans you have lots of useless little save bubbles cluttering up your home screen.

Adding insult to injury: the PS Vita doesn't support cloud saves. The only way to backup your saves is tobackup the entire game onto your PC or PS3.

What I don't understand is, when Sony had such a good system with the PSP going, why did they regress to this? Nintendo offers an infinitely more elegant solution on the 3DS. Saves are handled independently of the game by the system, kept out of sight and hidden away from the user unless he manages data on a PC, in which case they can all be copied and backed up individually or otherwise onto the PC in a matter of seconds.

This is a gigantic usability issue. Seriously, Sony. What a clusterf*ck.

-Patrick_92-

This is what I got from your post:

• The Vita won't let you back up your saves.
• No warning when you're about to delete a game.
• Save games are in the bubbles.
• "Only" 100 bubbles currently allowed on the Vita.
• No cloud saving, but back up can be done vita PC (contradicting first issue).

What you're essentially saying, is that you got so many games you'll want to play, all in the same periode, that you somehow manages to reach the limit of the bubbles (100)? Is this really an issue that keeps you from buying the product or do you just need to b1tch about everything online? We're talking about a minor issue that won't bother most current owners and yet it's enough to keep you from buying it?

I haven't counted the pre-installed bubbles, but if we say there are 15 you'll have room for 85 games be it minis, PSN, PSP or regular PSV titles. Are you seriously saying that you'll be playing 85+ games regularly?

Besides, Sony will most likely correct this issue some time down the road. It's stupid, yes, but an issue that'll keep someone away from buying it? I highly doubt that.

[QUOTE="-Patrick_92-"][QUOTE="danish-death"]

This is what I got from your post:

• The Vita won't let you back up your saves.
• No warning when you're about to delete a game.
• Save games are in the bubbles.
• "Only" 100 bubbles currently allowed on the Vita.
• No cloud saving, but back up can be done vita PC (contradicting first issue).

What you're essentially saying, is that you got so many games you'll want to play, all in the same periode, that you somehow manages to reach the limit of the bubbles (100)? Is this really an issue that keeps you from buying the product or do you just need to b1tch about everything online? We're talking about a minor issue that won't bother most current owners and yet it's enough to keep you from buying it?

I haven't counted the pre-installed bubbles, but if we say there are 15 you'll have room for 85 games be it minis, PSN, PSP or regular PSV titles. Are you seriously saying that you'll be playing 85+ games regularly?

Besides, Sony will most likely correct this issue some time down the road. It's stupid, yes, but an issue that'll keep someone away from buying it? I highly doubt that.

p4s2p0

It's probably to... prevent piracy?????

One of the ways of hacking the psp was through save game exploits, so if you can't have acess to that, bingo.

And the Vita HBL makes use of those exploits still.

Wow, that sounds terrible.

I still plan on getting the Vita, as the only game I want that is currently out for the Vita is Gravity Rush, so this shouldn't bother me too much...yet. But I will start having a problem once more games start coming to the Vita in the coming years, so I hope Sony fixes this in a system update or something. Also, a folder system is a must for any handheld device.

Another reason why 3DS is better.

[QUOTE="Luiscesjr"]

It's probably to... prevent piracy?????

One of the ways of hacking the psp was through save game exploits, so if you can't have acess to that, bingo.

And the Vita HBL makes use of those exploits still.

Desmonic

Shame on me, sorry =)

Didn't check for the date. Still that's quite obvious and people were killing themselves around.

Sony should stick with consoles. That's what they are best at.

GamerwillzPS

What happened to the Sony Cloud?