Ps2 fanboys split into 2 groups......

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#1 killerbeejp
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When Sony first announced that the Ps3 would be $599 USD, Ps2 fanboys were split into two groups....

Group 1: The ppl who said "Screw it, I'm getting a 360 instead"

Group 2: The ppl who said "I'll play my Ps2 for now and pick up a Ps3 when it's cheaper

Why is this good for Ps3's future? Because those who wanted a 360, already have one. It's biggest games have all come out, and it's been cheap for quite a while now. Ps3 in contrast, still hasn't hit that $300 sweet spot that everyone can afford. AND Ps3's two biggest franchises haven't been released yet: Gran Turismo 5 and God of War III.

Now Ps2 had over 150million unit sold. Ps3 and 360 put together have only sold about 50million units....So where do you think the rest of those Ps2 owners are? They are from group 2.....the ppl waiting for a price drop before they pick up a Ps3.

Is there any doubt Ps3's will be flying off the shelves once there is a price cut? Do ppl really think 360 will still be outselling Ps3 when it hits $300???

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#2 Silverbond
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But, what if they went to the Wii? :o

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#3 Ragnarok1051
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No they are buying Wiis.

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Why is this good for Ps3's future? Because those who wanted a 360, already have one. It's biggest games have all come out, and it's been cheap for quite a while now. Ps3 in contrast, still hasn't hit that $300 sweet spot that everyone can afford. killerbeejp

A couple things:

  • Cows have been saying for years now that "everyone who wanted an X360 already has one", but oddly enough, the X360 continues to sell. Kinda weird, huh?
  • $200 is the "sweet spot"
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#5 Mr_Nordquist
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Do you remember how many casual games came out for the PS2 on top of the great titles? A lot, and a lot were crappy

Guarantee you anything that over 50% of PS2 users are in fact casuals that have bought, or will buy a Wii

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#6 hy4k
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no the casuals all went to thew wii. the gamers all went to the pc or 360, buying a wii and handhelds for exclusives the blu ray enthusiasts went to the ps3
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#7 kaangonultas
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I cant remember grandpa playing the ps2
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#8 jsmoke03
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yea i know 7 people who are always asking me when the price cut is coming so they can get a ps3.

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#9 -Skatman-
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I was a PS2 gamer that went to the Wii AND PC, but at the same time I'm waiting for PS3 to drop to $300...so I fit somewhere in there...though I don't consider myself a PS2 fanboy

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#10 Menalque2
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God knows where the PS2 cows are these days. They all just scattered out and took on new aliases. Maybe they gave up on gaming, lol.

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#11 DarknessLion
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Couldn't there be a third and fouurth group?

1. The ones who had a dreamcast then upgraded to an xbox.

2. And the people that bought a N64 then moved up to a Gamecube.

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#12 SoNin360
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If people really want a PS3 they should just buy one and stop waiting...
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#13 The_Game21x
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There are so many variables at work that completely destroy your theory.

1. Where is the Wii in this equation? You're fooling yourself if you think there aren't any former PS2 owners that haven't already bought or are planning to buy the Wii.

2. I've heard the "everyone who wants a 360 already has one" thing before and yet the 360 continues to sell and sees a pleasant boost each time a highly anticipated title comes out. Funny how that works.

3. When the PS3 drops to $300, you don't think MS is going to drop the price of the 360 as well?

I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

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Most of them are buying Wiis
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i was into PS2 ,i went the wii way. Sony strategy was like,pfft they love us so much they will pay whatever we want! mwahahaha !...no i dont think so sir.
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#17 killerbeejp
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The point is that 360 is already cheap enough ($200 for Arcade) that ppl can easily afford it, along with a couple games.

A price cut for 360 wont help it nearly as much as a price cut for Ps3. Ive never heard anyone say "i want a 360 when it drops in price" but Ive heard ALOT of ppl say that about PS3.

If you never heard a gamer say "I'm going to buy a PS3 when it drops in price" then you obviously do not get out enough.

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#18 alfredooo
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why are you assuming that every ps2 owner is a fanboy?? some just happened to buy the console cause they liked it. assuming that the reamaning 100 million ps2 owners that don't have don't have a 360?ps3 are sony fanboys waiting for a price cut is pretty dumb. most people bought a ps2 because it was cheap and it had tons of great games.

so we can divide ps2 owners into 3 groups: 1. the fanboys, which already bought their ps3. seriously, not many people wait 2 years for a price cut to buy a console, even if you are poor.

2. the soft-core gamers, in other words people that just had a ps2 because they liked it. they weren't fanboys and just happened to buy a ps2 because they liked all the great games it offered.

3. and finally, the people that just bought one because they were moderately poor. they may like the xbox but it was too expensive so they went with ps2. this people will now go with the now cheapest console the 360 which will always beat manufacturing costs.

finally, gt now has a rival called forza, something it didn't have in the ps2 era, so don't expect it to be a "console seller" but god of was 3 is a different story, clearly a AAA game that, but we will have to see if it really increases ps3 sale... killzone 2 was supposed to do that but unfortunately its having poor sales.

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#19 R_MAHIL
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a lot of ps2 owners went to the wii. people sometimes forget that the ps2 was a perfect console for everyone in the family so appealed to a really wide range of people. a lot of people criticise wii for being a family gimmick but the ps2 also had things like eye toy and buzz which contibuted to alot of the sales from young kids and parents. these people have now brought a wii.
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#20 Swift_Boss_A
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I believe quiet a few PS2 owners will buy a PS3 when GT5 or GOW3 releases. Im from group 2, I was really put off by the price of PS3 at launch and instead of buying an inferior system I decided to stick with the the good ol PS2 till MGS4 releases and the price drops which it did.

Most PS2 owners were just casual and mostly went to the Wii. Believe it or not there are still alot PS2 owners who havent bought a current gen system, I dont know whats stopping but if the low price of 360 and Wii didnt get them then its a safe bet they are waiting for a PS3 price drop or for a particular game, maybe GOW3 or GT5 or another one. Anyway PS2 didnt start pulling in massive sales till it hit the 200 mark and the same will occur with PS3.
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#21 mand_450
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When Sony first announced that the Ps3 would be $599 USD, Ps2 fanboys were split into two groups....

Group 1: The ppl who said "Screw it, I'm getting a 360 instead"

Group 2: The ppl who said "I'll play my Ps2 for now and pick up a Ps3 when it's cheaper

killerbeejp

I'd like to add a few extra groups.

Group 3: The ppl who said "Screw it, i'm getting aWii instead."

Group 4: The ppl who said "I don't play games anymore."

Group 5: The ppl who said "I've just spent a fortune on improving my gaming rig (PC), so that i can run Crysis maxed out with 60 fps, and now my money is gone."

Group 6: The ppl who said "I don't care about the new consoles, i'll just stick with my PS2."

Group 7: The ppl who said "I used my money on the DS and/or PSP."

Group 8: The ppl who said "Is there a PS3?"

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But, what if they went to the Wii? :o

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Oh snap, what happens when they get all 3?
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When Sony first announced that the Ps3 would be $599 USD, Ps2 fanboys were split into two groups....

Group 1: The ppl who said "Screw it, I'm getting a 360 instead"

Group 2: The ppl who said "I'll play my Ps2 for now and pick up a Ps3 when it's cheaper

Why is this good for Ps3's future? Because those who wanted a 360, already have one. It's biggest games have all come out, and it's been cheap for quite a while now. Ps3 in contrast, still hasn't hit that $300 sweet spot that everyone can afford. AND Ps3's two biggest franchises haven't been released yet: Gran Turismo 5 and God of War III.

Now Ps2 had over 150million unit sold. Ps3 and 360 put together have only sold about 50million units....So where do you think the rest of those Ps2 owners are? They are from group 2.....the ppl waiting for a price drop before they pick up a Ps3.

Is there any doubt Ps3's will be flying off the shelves once there is a price cut? Do ppl really think 360 will still be outselling Ps3 when it hits $300???

killerbeejp

I commend you for putting some thought into this argument, but I don't think it makes sense for a few reasons.

1. I think your two-group paradigm is incorrect. I think there is a two-group paradigm, but I don't think it consists of what you say it consists of. I think it really goes like this:

Group 1: core Sony users.

Group 2: casuals.

Casuals make up a way larger percentage of the PS2's sales and those are the people that basically said, "Screw the PS3!" and bought Wiis and 360s. Those people are not going to go for a PS3 simply because they had a PS2. They might go for the PS3 for other reasons, but not due to owning a PS2. I think that people should stopusing brand loyalty in arguments. Brand loyalty is not very powerful as Sony found out. The reason brand loyalty is not very powerful is because there is only a small group of "core users" of a particular and the rest of the audience are kind of like swing voters. Sony needs to capture more of these "swing consumers".

I don't think that saying that there are still alot of "core Sony users" waiting for a price cut is a good assumption. The core users, by and large, probably all ready have PS3's. In a nutshell, I think you're probably wrong that the remaining PS2 gamers belong to what you defined as group 2. Your group 2 might exist in some form, but if so, it's a small group.

I think the real problem with your paradigm is that you are limiting it to PS2 fanboys, which is just not a big group in the scheme of things and thus the way they distribute themselves is going to have way less of an impact than how casuals distribute themselves among consoles.

2. I don't think "big franchises" argument sticks are you pretty much have to have a crystal ball to verify such a thing.

3. I don't think you can support the assertion that "those who want a 360 all ready have one".

4. As someone else said, $300 is not the sweet spot price point. I see no reason to believe the PS3=300$ automatically will mean PS3's outsell 360's. 360 after all is still the cheaper HD console and that will still matter. I do think a price cut can only help though.

5. The fact that you limit your analysis to the 360 and the PS3 weakens your overall argument. The Wii mostly likely took a greater chunk of the PS2 userbase than the 360.

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#24 Mr_Nordquist
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The point is that 360 is already cheap enough ($200 for Arcade) that ppl can easily afford it, along with a couple games.

A price cut for 360 wont help it nearly as much as a price cut for Ps3. Ive never heard anyone say "i want a 360 when it drops in price" but Ive heard ALOT of ppl say that about PS3.

killerbeejp

The 360 price cut DID help when it happened. Now the 360 sells faster than the PS3. Another 360 price cut would just keep the 360 consistently selling faster than the PS3.

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The point is that 360 is already cheap enough ($200 for Arcade) that ppl can easily afford it, along with a couple games.

A price cut for 360 wont help it nearly as much as a price cut for Ps3. Ive never heard anyone say "i want a 360 when it drops in price" but Ive heard ALOT of ppl say that about PS3.

If you never heard a gamer say "I'm going to buy a PS3 when it drops in price" then you obviously do not get out enough.

killerbeejp

It's not that a price cut will help the 360 as much as the PS3. It's that a 360 price cut will blunt the impact of a PS3 price cut. The goal of a PS3 price cut is to make it have a competetitive price point in relation to the 360. If Microsoft moves the goal posts by announcing their own price cut, that will rewiden the price gap that Sony would be trying to close.

Also, the fact that you say "I've never heard anyone say I want a 360 when it drops in price" is anecdotal evidence. I get the point your trying to make, but anecdotal evidence is a bad way to make this point. What you've heard is not effective in a broad discussion.

And it's not really that relevant who is waiting for a price cut. What's more relevant is how the two consoles prices look in relation to eachother when a consumer is comparing two very similar HD consoles.

Last of all, as for your "you obviously do not get out enough" comment, I get out plenty and have never heard anybody IRL talk about price cuts for consoles period. Not that much of the population discusses video games, let alone price cuts.

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#26 Rockman999
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Couldn't there be a third and fouurth group?

1. The ones who had a dreamcast then upgraded to an xbox.

2. And the people that bought a N64 then moved up to a Gamecube.

DarknessLion

No, this topic is only about PS2 fanboys and what direction they went after the PS3's launch.

i was into PS2 ,i went the wii way. Sony strategy was like,pfft they love us so much they will pay whatever we want! mwahahaha !...no i dont think so sir.intro94
:lol: looks like you got shafted.

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#27 Tragic_Kingdom7
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God knows where the PS2 cows are these days. They all just scattered out and took on new aliases. Maybe they gave up on gaming, lol.

Menalque2

The PS2 cows went to the PS3. The PS2 cows are the PS3 cows. The rest of the PS2 userbase were not cows at all, but were casual swing consumers.

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#28 intro94
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[QUOTE="DarknessLion"]

Couldn't there be a third and fouurth group?

1. The ones who had a dreamcast then upgraded to an xbox.

2. And the people that bought a N64 then moved up to a Gamecube.

Rockman999

No, this topic is only about PS2 fanboys and what direction they went after the PS3's launch.

i was into PS2 ,i went the wii way. Sony strategy was like,pfft they love us so much they will pay whatever we want! mwahahaha !...no i dont think so sir.intro94
:lol: looks like you got shafted.

because i managed to appreciate missed cube games and nintendos newer offerings like galaxy?If anything in more than satisfied with my product and my collection.
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#29 Tragic_Kingdom7
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

[QUOTE="DarknessLion"]No, this topic is only about PS2 fanboys and what direction they went after the PS3's launch.

[QUOTE="intro94"]i was into PS2 ,i went the wii way. Sony strategy was like,pfft they love us so much they will pay whatever we want! mwahahaha !...no i dont think so sir.intro94

:lol: looks like you got shafted.

because i managed to appreciate missed cube games and nintendos newer offerings like galaxy?If anything in more than satisfied with my product and my collection.

Just ignore him. He's just trying to get a rise of you, which is basically trolling.

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#30 speculative
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I would propose another major group: those who are waiting to see if Devs support the PS3 before they buy one. (Just note the recent Activision statement about PS3 and PSP for example.) I would be fine with buying a PS3 at current prices if Devs didn't withhold DLC from PS3 (that they provide to Xbox), make lesser ports from Xbox to PS3, and generally have a lack of enthusiasm for anything to do with Sony...

As for Xbox 360, I am in the camp who will not purchase something that has a greater than 33% hardware failure rate, requires a $99 dollar wireless adapter (which comes free with PS3) to play online (for me a wired connection is not an option, as I would have to pay $50 anyways for a router/hub/etc.), and then charges $50 per year for online gaming (which is free with PS3). Even at $200, the Arcade Xbox is still not as good a deal as the 80GB PS3 at current prices.

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im group 1

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#32 strudel420
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PS2 had a large 'casual' audience that fits in well with the Wii. Think you oversimplified it a bit.

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#33 killerbeejp
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im group 1

ChocolateCake10
many 360 owners are
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#34 mand_450
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I actually only knew 1 hardcore in real-with a PS2 inlifegamer, and he has jumped onto the 360 bandwagon and dislikes the PS3. Everyone else i know who owned a PS2 (and there were/is alot of them) were casuals, and has either bought a Wii or PS3. So to say that more than 100 million owners of PS2 were non-casuals is quite silly. Hell, even everysparetime club i know has a PS2.

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Do you remember how many casual games came out for the PS2 on top of the great titles? A lot, and a lot were crappy

Guarantee you anything that over 50% of PS2 users are in fact casuals that have bought, or will buy a Wii

Mr_Nordquist

Stop pretending the PS2 library was anything like the wii's library, it was much, much, much stronger.

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#36 Mr_Nordquist
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[QUOTE="Mr_Nordquist"]

Do you remember how many casual games came out for the PS2 on top of the great titles? A lot, and a lot were crappy

Guarantee you anything that over 50% of PS2 users are in fact casuals that have bought, or will buy a Wii

hakanakumono

Stop pretending the PS2 library was anything like the wii's library, it was much, much, much stronger.

Right, it was, but it was also casual friendly.....I mean unless you're telling me the majority of the 2000 or so games for it were AAA games? No, they were not. Not even close.

The Wii is basically everything the PS2 was minus the AAA portion of the PS2's library which is the reason why I said what I said. It's proven by the software sales of some of the best games the PS2 offered. The PS2 had a very large casual audience, and that's why it sold so much.

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#37 whatisazerg
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I had a PS1 & PS2.... I will not be buying a PS3..... Sony can shove their CELL & BlOooo-RAY! where the sun doesnt shine.

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#38 X360PS3AMD05
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Do you remember how many casual games came out for the PS2 on top of the great titles? A lot, and a lot were crappy

Guarantee you anything that over 50% of PS2 users are in fact casuals that have bought, or will buy a Wii

Mr_Nordquist
I would say more likely the 360, casuals will still want those next-gen graphics for Madden.
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#39 sub-raid
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But, what if they went to the Wii? :o

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They won't.
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[QUOTE="killerbeejp"]

Why is this good for Ps3's future? Because those who wanted a 360, already have one. It's biggest games have all come out, and it's been cheap for quite a while now. Ps3 in contrast, still hasn't hit that $300 sweet spot that everyone can afford. LosDaddie

A couple things:

  • Cows have been saying for years now that "everyone who wanted an X360 already has one", but oddly enough, the X360 continues to sell. Kinda weird, huh?
  • $200 is the "sweet spot"

PS3 will never be priced at $200, if it did, Sony wouldn't be around anymore and that would suck.