PS3: A hacker's dream...

Well, someone finally found some use for the ps3....

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8114&Itemid=53

thanks a lot sony... it's not like we don't already have a prob with hackers..

now they can do it faster and cheaper... :roll:

Well, someone finally found some use for the ps3....

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8114&Itemid=53

thanks a lot sony... it's not like we don't already have a prob with hackers..

now they can do it faster and cheaper... :roll:

tango90101

is this supposed to be sonys fault?6matt6

yea I don't see how Sony making powerful hardware is to blame for this?

Right, because so many systems will allow a user to put in an infinite number of guesses without locking them out and / or flagging them. Your little "windows passwords" and other things don't need to be brute-forced, there are backdoors already. The systems that actually need to be secured are designed to be resistant to brute force hacking methods, and the ones that aren't were *already insecure* before the PS3.

Don't ever trust mainstream journalism trying to write about IT security - it's like taking career advice from a Walmart cashier... chances are, they don't have the answers you're looking for. As far as that type of hacking goes - your little eight-character passwords die to rainbow tables in a matter of hours with a basic PC, nothing fancy required.

I thought this was a joke thread that was really positive towards Sony, at first.

more power isn't a bad thing, is it?

People will just have to start making better passwords, is all.

Edit: Also, what sub said rings true.

Oh I'm sorry that the system that is powerful enough to help cancer research and unfortunately hackers as well.

Well at least PS3 sales may increase now due to your everyday hacker consumer. /Joke

Right, because so many systems will allow a user to put in an infinite number of guesses without locking them out and / or flagging them. Your little "windows passwords" and other things don't need to be brute-forced, there are backdoors already. The systems that actually need to be secured are designed to be resistant to brute force hacking methods, and the ones that aren't were *already insecure* before the PS3.

Don't ever trust mainstream journalism trying to write about IT security - it's like taking career advice from a Walmart cashier... chances are, they don't have the answers you're looking for. As far as that type of hacking goes - your little eight-character passwords die to rainbow tables in a matter of hours with a basic PC, nothing fancy required.

subrosian

[QUOTE="6matt6"]is this supposed to be sonys fault?blue_hazy_basic

yea I don't see how Sony making powerful hardware is to blame for this?

it was their hardware design right?

they have to at least share culpability....

of course it's not sony's fault... totally...just kicking the cow's ant hill...:)

Right, because so many systems will allow a user to put in an infinite number of guesses without locking them out and / or flagging them. Your little "windows passwords" and other things don't need to be brute-forced, there are backdoors already. The systems that actually need to be secured are designed to be resistant to brute force hacking methods, and the ones that aren't were *already insecure* before the PS3.

Don't ever trust mainstream journalism trying to write about IT security - it's like taking career advice from a Walmart cashier... chances are, they don't have the answers you're looking for. As far as that type of hacking goes - your little eight-character passwords die to rainbow tables in a matter of hours with a basic PC, nothing fancy required.

subrosian

the same article was on the PC site... maybe you know more than the PC journalists there, too...:roll:

Right, because so many systems will allow a user to put in an infinite number of guesses without locking them out and / or flagging them. Your little "windows passwords" and other things don't need to be brute-forced, there are backdoors already. The systems that actually need to be secured are designed to be resistant to brute force hacking methods, and the ones that aren't were *already insecure* before the PS3.

Don't ever trust mainstream journalism trying to write about IT security - it's like taking career advice from a Walmart cashier... chances are, they don't have the answers you're looking for. As far as that type of hacking goes - your little eight-character passwords die to rainbow tables in a matter of hours with a basic PC, nothing fancy required.

subrosian

meh. cracking most password protected files isn't that tough with pc's now a days.

anything serious wouldn't allow more than 3 attempts before they lock you out for several mintues. brute force only works when you have total access the file or server.

the same article was on the PC site... maybe you know more than the PC journalists there, too...:roll:

tango90101

Yes sir. There's nothing about being a PC journalist that makes you especially qualified to discuss IT security, and were they experts on that matter, I guarantee you they wouldn't be in journalism. Nothing wrong with being a journalist, but most people don't turn down the extra $75k a year working in security would pay them.

Tell me, what are these "hackers" brute forcing? What's out there secured by nothing more than a basic password (no lockout, no IT security staff, et cetera) that's remotely accessable and wasn't already vulnerable before the PS3?

Exactly there is no way to get into networks they really don't want You in unless You get there physically. Just posting cause i really liked the word rainbow table :D

Rainbow table!
KungfuKitten

Of all the areas of computer science, cryptography has some of the coolest terminology.

Sub there are times when I see you demolish someone's arguement its like watching an angry early career Mike Tyson vs Pee Wee Herman. Its really not very fair :)blue_hazy_basic

Mike Tyson should have known better. Pee Wee sits in his house all day talking to furniture, a guy that crazy is usually carrying a gun.

the same article was on the PC site... maybe you know more than the PC journalists there, too...:roll:

tango90101

Obviously not a good one then. Nobody in their right mind at this point would try to brute force a password when theres so many faster, smarter, less easily detectable ways to get around one.

meh. cracking most password protected files isn't that tough with pc's now a days.

anything serious wouldn't allow more than 3 attempts before they lock you out for several mintues. brute force only works when you have total access the file or server.

Ontain

like the "dedicated servers" that the psn uses... ?

like the "dedicated servers" that the psn uses... ?

tango90101

I'm pretty sure he means physical access.

What did you guys expect? It runs Linux :PE M I N 3 M

Real men run Slax

[spoiler] and by real men I mean masochists [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

like the "dedicated servers" that the psn uses... ?

Aidenfury19

I'm pretty sure he means physical access.

i'm pretty sure you can hack a server from the outside w/o ever touching the server physically.... ;)

i hope none of the cows have their credit card information anywhere in there...

could spell trouble... will it? who knows... but the odds are, if a hacker can get to your info, they WILL...

[QUOTE="6matt6"]is this supposed to be sonys fault?blue_hazy_basic

yea I don't see how Sony making powerful hardware is to blame for this?

So...we should just stop the manufacturing and development of increasingly powerful hardware now?

[QUOTE="Aidenfury19"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

like the "dedicated servers" that the psn uses... ?

tango90101

I'm pretty sure he means physical access.

i'm pretty sure you can hack a server from the outside w/o ever touching the server physically.... ;)

i hope none of the cows have their credit card information anywhere in there...

could spell trouble... will it? who knows... but the odds are, if a hacker can get to your info, they WILL...

Brute force though is an inherently inefficient process that can easily be prevented, whether through a captcha or a password attempt timeout and even if that isn't present, thousands of inbound requests from the same IP address tends to throw up flags.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="6matt6"]is this supposed to be sonys fault?ToScA-

yea I don't see how Sony making powerful hardware is to blame for this?

So...we should just stop the manufacturing and development of increasingly powerful hardware now?

[QUOTE="ToScA-"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="6matt6"]is this supposed to be sonys fault?blue_hazy_basic

yea I don't see how Sony making powerful hardware is to blame for this?

So...we should just stop the manufacturing and development of increasingly powerful hardware now?

Ugh..my bad.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="ToScA-"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="6matt6"]is this supposed to be sonys fault?ToScA-

yea I don't see how Sony making powerful hardware is to blame for this?

So...we should just stop the manufacturing and development of increasingly powerful hardware now?

Ugh..my bad.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Sub there are times when I see you demolish someone's arguement its like watching an angry early career Mike Tyson vs Pee Wee Herman. Its really not very fair :)subrosian

Mike Tyson should have known better. Pee Wee sits in his house all day talking to furniture, a guy that crazy is usually carrying a gun.

lol this is SO sig worthy if i had the space

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Sub there are times when I see you demolish someone's arguement its like watching an angry early career Mike Tyson vs Pee Wee Herman. Its really not very fair :)stika

Mike Tyson should have known better. Pee Wee sits in his house all day talking to furniture, a guy that crazy is usually carrying a gun.

lol this is SO sig worthy if i had the space

Fortunately I do. :)

wtf does this have to do with gaming or system wars?

This is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Theres nothing a ps3 can do that a high end rig can't. Serious attackers will have a better set up than a spray painted george forman grill. It's not like script kiddies will be able to set up the appropriate enviroment on a ps3 anyway. Speaking of which who the hell brute forces these days? It's all about the source code baby. householdman

Its all about rainbow tables you mean.

PS3 + credit card info = Hackers dream come true

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

Well, someone finally found some use for the ps3....

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8114&Itemid=53

thanks a lot sony... it's not like we don't already have a prob with hackers..

now they can do it faster and cheaper... :roll:

kentaro22

Thank you. This thread has "weak sauce" written all over it.

[QUOTE="kentaro22"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

Well, someone finally found some use for the ps3....

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8114&Itemid=53

thanks a lot sony... it's not like we don't already have a prob with hackers..

now they can do it faster and cheaper... :roll:

The_Crucible

Thank you. This thread has "weak sauce" written all over it.

agreed, why don't people blame bill gates for making microsoft NOS's and OS's so hackable?...oh wait ;X

PS3 + credit card info = Hackers dream come true

ReverseCycology

You + not reading the article = bad post.

You think MS' Live is much safer in regards to what you are referring? Its not. But this isn't about hacking people's credit info from PS3, its about how the powerful cell makes it easier for hackers to make many calculations. Along with making a lot of other calculations that benefit from cell power.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="kentaro22"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

Well, someone finally found some use for the ps3....

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8114&Itemid=53

thanks a lot sony... it's not like we don't already have a prob with hackers..

now they can do it faster and cheaper... :roll:

0rbs

Thank you. This thread has "weak sauce" written all over it.

agreed, why don't people blame bill gates for making microsoft NOS's and OS's so hackable?...oh wait ;X

If you know Tango, a post like this doesn't surprise you. It's always half-truths.

Well, someone finally found some use for the ps3....

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8114&Itemid=53

thanks a lot sony... it's not like we don't already have a prob with hackers..

now they can do it faster and cheaper... :roll:

tango90101

What is wrong with Sony? They can never keep their hardware straight.

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

Well, someone finally found some use for the ps3....

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8114&Itemid=53

thanks a lot sony... it's not like we don't already have a prob with hackers..

now they can do it faster and cheaper... :roll:

Ho-t-Gu-Y88

What is wrong with Sony? They can never keep their hardware straight.

you're serious? lolol

It's pretty sad when you make a gaming console that is more efficent at bruteforcing than it is at actually handling games.Nonam3gamer

It's pretty sad when you know nothing about the topic and just post bs.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/11/29/fbi.botnets/index.html

enjoy.

how do lemms feel about the cell being so much better then there cpudeadmeat59

LOL, i bet they wish they had the most powerful CPU ever made so their gaming console could crack passwords:roll:

[QUOTE="Nonam3gamer"]It's pretty sad when you make a gaming console that is more efficent at bruteforcing than it is at actually handling games.0rbs

It's pretty sad when you know nothing about the topic and just post bs.

Its a common fact that the cell wasn't designed around running game code....

Better hope it never ends up as a pirates dream. That would be Sony's nightmare.TekkenMaster606

:lol:

don't worry the other two console have that problem...not the PS3.........not yet alteast.....some are trying but it seems it might be awhile for some reason.........which is good...