PS3 does have a complicated architecture and it is hard to develope games for it

.... but its not as hard as the PS2 last gen. Sony made numerous improvements from PS2 to PS3 and one of the most important one is the difficulty of games development. Sure PS3 is the hardest from this generation of consoles to create games for but atleast Sony made an improvement over PS2.

Like every new console it takes time to get the hang of developing for it, and since PS3 has only been out for 6 months its going to take another 6 untill developers are comfortable with its architecture and heck some developers will learn quicker then others.

Wii has essentially a gamecube architecture but with improvements here and there, 360 has been out for over a year. Developers know how to create games for these consoles but since PS3 is relatively new and quite robust its going to take some time. Expect games coming this fall to totally blow you away and next year PS3 is going to be in full swing. I know as hungry gamers we want everything now but its not gonna happen, Wii fans want Metroid Prime 3 to come out now not in the Summer, 360 fans want Halo 3 to come out now not in the Autumn and PS3 fans want MGS4 to come out now not next year. waiting is what we are all doing and you know what, waiting is what makes console gaming really enjoyable. The anticipation, excitement, hype and rush of energy all comes from waiting.

Rest assured developers will get the hang of PS3 development before the end of the year, also remember with the help of Sony and their new Playstation edge tools which will be given (if they not already are) to 1st and 3rd party developers will help them to create better and more amazing games at a quicker rate since it helps with the RSX and Cell.

PS3 will soon churn out games which may well look better then anything seen on next gen consoles.

.... but its not as hard as the PS2 last gen. Sony made numerous improvements from PS2 to PS3 and one of the most important one is the difficulty of games development. Sure PS3 is the hardest from this generation of consoles to create games for but atleast Sony made an improvement over PS2.

Like every new console it takes time to get the hang of developing for it, and since PS3 has only been out for 6 months its going to take another 6 untill developers are comfortable with its architecture and heck some developers will learn quicker then others.

Wii has essentially a gamecube architecture but with improvements here and there, 360 has been out for over a year. Developers know how to create games for these consoles but since PS3 is relatively new and quite robust its going to take some time. Expect games coming this fall to totally blow you away and next year PS3 is going to be in full swing. I know as hungry gamers we want everything now but its not gonna happen, Wii fans want Metroid Prime 3 to come out now not in the Summer, 360 fans want Halo 3 to come out now not in the Autumn and PS3 fans want MGS4 to come out now not next year. waiting is what we are all doing and you know what, waiting is what makes console gaming really enjoyable. The anticipation, excitement, hype and rush of energy all comes from waiting.

Rest assured developers will get the hang of PS3 development before the end of the year, also remember with the help of Sony and their new Playstation edge tools which will be given (if they not already are) to 1st and 3rd party developers will help them to create better and more amazing games at a quicker rate since it helps with the RSX and Cell.

PS3 will soon churn out games which may well look better then anything seen on next gen consoles.

 

Swift_Boss_A

This sounds like something out of a playstation magazine :roll:

One reason that the PS3 is so hard to develope for is because the Cell processor was engineered with blu-ray movies in mind instead of gaming.

One reason that the PS3 is so hard to develope for is because the Cell processor was engineered with blu-ray movies in mind instead of gaming.

bluebrad1974

Do all Blu-ray players have a Cell processor in them?

like something out of a playstation magazine :roll:ff-leader

I don't know if your complementing me or not but umm thanks I guess.

One reason that the PS3 is so hard to develope for is because the Cell processor was engineered with blu-ray movies in mind instead of gaming.

bluebrad1974

The Cell is also used for medical and scientific purposes. The BR argument fails.

[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]

One reason that the PS3 is so hard to develope for is because the Cell processor was engineered with blu-ray movies in mind instead of gaming.

lusitanogamer

Do all Blu-ray players have a Cell processor in them?

[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]

One reason that the PS3 is so hard to develope for is because the Cell processor was engineered with blu-ray movies in mind instead of gaming.

Kreean

The Cell is also used for medical and scientific purposes. The BR argument fails.

your argument is part true. it was made for that 2 but it was made predominantly for decoding streams IE movies so they had blu ray in mind not games 

[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]

One reason that the PS3 is so hard to develope for is because the Cell processor was engineered with blu-ray movies in mind instead of gaming.

Kreean

The Cell is also used for medical and scientific purposes. The BR argument fails.

Lots and lots of developers have been saying nothing but good things about the use of Blue-ray within videogames; including Insomniac, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Epic, Konami etc etc.

Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the gameTsuboyama

Why do most people think that Sony only put Blue-ray in PS3 to benefit movies. Blue-ray also helps games !

Lots and lots of developers have been saying nothing but good things about the use of Blue-ray within videogames; including Insomniac, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Epic, Konami etc etc.

[QUOTE="Tsuboyama"]Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the gameSwift_Boss_A

I would dare say that Sony could care less if the PS3 fails, as long as blu-ray is accepted by the mainstream as the next big media format.bluebrad1974

True

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Why do most people think that Sony only put Blue-ray in PS3 to benefit movies. Blue-ray also helps games !

Lots and lots of developers have been saying nothing but good things about the use of Blue-ray within videogames; including Insomniac, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Epic, Konami etc etc.

[QUOTE="Tsuboyama"]Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the gamebluebrad1974

very true they're using their most popular and most profitable brand to boost the rest of the company brands. why do yo think with the way ps3 sales have gone that they dont seem a nervous. thats because the ps3 has helped put blu ray ahead of hd dvd 

Why do most people think that Sony only put Blue-ray in PS3 to benefit movies. Blue-ray also helps games !

Lots and lots of developers have been saying nothing but good things about the use of Blue-ray within videogames; including Insomniac, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Epic, Konami etc etc.

[QUOTE="Tsuboyama"]Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the gameSwift_Boss_A

People probably think Blu-Ray only benefits movies because Sony has yet to use it for games. Which kind of stinks because we have to pay the extra cost of the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3.

Your not going to find a Dev thats says extra space is a bad thing, but I'm sure the Devs also know the cost of Blu-Ray out weighs the benefits. Some have spoken out, God of War lead Dev and Ubisoft has pointed out the negative of high cost of the hardware.

[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Why do most people think that Sony only put Blue-ray in PS3 to benefit movies. Blue-ray also helps games !

Lots and lots of developers have been saying nothing but good things about the use of Blue-ray within videogames; including Insomniac, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Epic, Konami etc etc.

[QUOTE="Tsuboyama"]Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the gamechigga102

very true they're using their most popular and most profitable brand to boost the rest of the company brands. why do yo think with the way ps3 sales have gone that they dont seem a nervous. thats because the ps3 has helped put blu ray ahead of hd dvd 

I stated this before; yes they are using the PS3 to boost BR sales. But after that BR will boost PS3 sales. That's the reason Sony says that the lifecycle of the PS3 is set to 10 years. 

[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Why do most people think that Sony only put Blue-ray in PS3 to benefit movies. Blue-ray also helps games !

Lots and lots of developers have been saying nothing but good things about the use of Blue-ray within videogames; including Insomniac, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Epic, Konami etc etc.

[QUOTE="Tsuboyama"]Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the gamechigga102

very true they're using their most popular and most profitable brand to boost the rest of the company brands. why do yo think with the way ps3 sales have gone that they dont seem a nervous. thats because the ps3 has helped put blu ray ahead of hd dvd 

If the rumor that Wal-Mart will be selling HD-DVD players this Christmas for a little over $100 turns out to be true, then Sony's "trojan horse" move is going to hit a brick wall.

[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Why do most people think that Sony only put Blue-ray in PS3 to benefit movies. Blue-ray also helps games !

Lots and lots of developers have been saying nothing but good things about the use of Blue-ray within videogames; including Insomniac, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Epic, Konami etc etc.

[QUOTE="Tsuboyama"]Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the gamechigga102

very true they're using their most popular and most profitable brand to boost the rest of the company brands. why do yo think with the way ps3 sales have gone that they dont seem a nervous. thats because the ps3 has helped put blu ray ahead of hd dvd 

I guess there not nervous because umm its early days. PS3 is doing better then PS1&2 when they first launched and lets not forget the 360.

I assume Sony does not want a price cut because this will lose them more money, but I can see a price cut coming this fall.

OH and if you look at it this way Sony has always adopted a new disc format for each gen; PS1 had CD, PS2 had DVD and now PS3 has Blue-ray which seems to be far superior then their previous disc formats. Rest assured Blue-ray will be beneficial in the development of videogames. 

You guys haven't answered my question. Why do so many games developers have good things to say about Blue-ray yet you guys seem to think blue-ray is a bad thing, are you saying you lot know more about games development then the guys who make games?

[QUOTE="chigga102"][QUOTE="bluebrad1974"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Why do most people think that Sony only put Blue-ray in PS3 to benefit movies. Blue-ray also helps games !

Lots and lots of developers have been saying nothing but good things about the use of Blue-ray within videogames; including Insomniac, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Epic, Konami etc etc.

[QUOTE="Tsuboyama"]Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the gameKreean

very true they're using their most popular and most profitable brand to boost the rest of the company brands. why do yo think with the way ps3 sales have gone that they dont seem a nervous. thats because the ps3 has helped put blu ray ahead of hd dvd 

I stated this before; yes they are using the PS3 to boost BR sales. But after that BR will boost PS3 sales. That's the reason Sony says that the lifecycle of the PS3 is set to 10 years. 

[QUOTE="chigga102"][QUOTE="bluebrad1974"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Why do most people think that Sony only put Blue-ray in PS3 to benefit movies. Blue-ray also helps games !

Lots and lots of developers have been saying nothing but good things about the use of Blue-ray within videogames; including Insomniac, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Epic, Konami etc etc.

[QUOTE="Tsuboyama"]Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the gameSwift_Boss_A

very true they're using their most popular and most profitable brand to boost the rest of the company brands. why do yo think with the way ps3 sales have gone that they dont seem a nervous. thats because the ps3 has helped put blu ray ahead of hd dvd

I guess there not nervous because umm its early days. PS3 is doing better then PS1&2 when they first launched and lets not forget the 360.

I assume Sony does not want a price cut because this will lose them more money, but I can see a price cut coming this fall.

OH and if you look at it this way Sony has always adopted a new disc format for each gen; PS1 had CD, PS2 had DVD and now PS3 has Blue-ray which seems to be far superior then their previous disc formats. Rest assured Blue-ray will be beneficial in the development of videogames.

You guys haven't answered my question. Why do so many games developers have good things to say about Blue-ray yet you guys seem to think blue-ray is a bad thing, are you saying you lot know more about games development then the guys who make games?

Well i make games with allegro library and its hard but i dont know as much as those guys do (i do it for a hobby and since summers coming up will move on the mdx C#) but yes as for your question no one said its a bad thing. we just think that well blu ray is supposed to be a format that will mean better games. it has added $200 to the ps3 price and we havent seen results. and thats what we want results. so thats why everyone is so skeptical including me of the ps3 so thats why they can say good things about blu ray but we cant say anything cause we havent seen the results we were promised 

[QUOTE="chigga102"][QUOTE="bluebrad1974"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Why do most people think that Sony only put Blue-ray in PS3 to benefit movies. Blue-ray also helps games !

Lots and lots of developers have been saying nothing but good things about the use of Blue-ray within videogames; including Insomniac, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Epic, Konami etc etc.

[QUOTE="Tsuboyama"]Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the gameSwift_Boss_A

very true they're using their most popular and most profitable brand to boost the rest of the company brands. why do yo think with the way ps3 sales have gone that they dont seem a nervous. thats because the ps3 has helped put blu ray ahead of hd dvd 

I guess there not nervous because umm its early days. PS3 is doing better then PS1&2 when they first launched and lets not forget the 360.

I assume Sony does not want a price cut because this will lose them more money, but I can see a price cut coming this fall.

OH and if you look at it this way Sony has always adopted a new disc format for each gen; PS1 had CD, PS2 had DVD and now PS3 has Blue-ray which seems to be far superior then their previous disc formats. Rest assured Blue-ray will be beneficial in the development of videogames. 

You guys haven't answered my question. Why do so many games developers have good things to say about Blue-ray yet you guys seem to think blue-ray is a bad thing, are you saying you lot know more about games development then the guys who make games?

Why do most people think that Sony only put Blue-ray in PS3 to benefit movies. Blue-ray also helps games !

Lots and lots of developers have been saying nothing but good things about the use of Blue-ray within videogames; including Insomniac, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Epic, Konami etc etc.

[QUOTE="Tsuboyama"]Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the gameSwift_Boss_A

I'll take the developers word, thank you.

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Why do most people think that Sony only put Blue-ray in PS3 to benefit movies. Blue-ray also helps games !

Lots and lots of developers have been saying nothing but good things about the use of Blue-ray within videogames; including Insomniac, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Epic, Konami etc etc.

[QUOTE="Tsuboyama"]Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the gamelusitanogamer

I'll take the developers word, thank you.

I have a question for you. If blu-ray is needed, and Sony's primary focus is gaming, why did Sony put a blu-ray player in the PS3 that has such a slow read speed that some games have to be partially installed to the PS3's HDD?

[QUOTE="bluebrad1974]

If the rumor that Wal-Mart will be selling HD-DVD players this Christmas for a little over $100 turns out to be true, then Sony's "trojan horse" move is going to hit a brick wall.

You could have a $50 dollar machine and it doesn't do any good if 3 of the major stuidos are exclusive to your competition.  What good would an HD player do for a person when Spider-Man 3 and Pirates of C. 3 release?  Also titles like Fantasitc 4, Die Hard 4, Ratatouille, ect.. should be exclusive.

Universal is the only studio exclusive to HD.  Honestly that just isn't enough when you look at what is currently going on.  Sure SOE probably paid off the stuidos in some way but it will probably work.

btw, if HD players are $100 by the 4th qtr I think it's safe to say it's become the dreamcast and is dead.

[QUOTE="lusitanogamer"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Why do most people think that Sony only put Blue-ray in PS3 to benefit movies. Blue-ray also helps games !

Lots and lots of developers have been saying nothing but good things about the use of Blue-ray within videogames; including Insomniac, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Epic, Konami etc etc.

[QUOTE="Tsuboyama"]Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the gamebluebrad1974

I'll take the developers word, thank you.

I have a question for you. If blu-ray is needed, and Sony's primary focus is gaming, why did Sony put a blu-ray player in the PS3 that has such a slow read speed that some games have to be partially installed to the PS3's HDD?

Maybe because it would be more expensive for them and for the consumer. They are already taking a big hit with every PS3 sold. If they can have a game partially installed on the HDD and make it work just as good for a lower price, why not?

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Why do most people think that Sony only put Blue-ray in PS3 to benefit movies. Blue-ray also helps games !

Lots and lots of developers have been saying nothing but good things about the use of Blue-ray within videogames; including Insomniac, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Epic, Konami etc etc.

[QUOTE="Tsuboyama"]Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the gamelusitanogamer

I'll take the developers word, thank you.

Only fanboys would say Blu-Ray is needed then buy a 600$ console that is capable of it, but has yet to use it for games. If it's so needed why the heck isn't it being used?

 Your not upset over the fact we have to pay for the pricey technology of Blu-Ray when we buy the PS3, and it's not being utilized for games? To criticize Sony over this (Blu-Ray is needed) is not fanboyism.

[QUOTE="bluebrad1974]

If the rumor that Wal-Mart will be selling HD-DVD players this Christmas for a little over $100 turns out to be true, then Sony's "trojan horse" move is going to hit a brick wall.

darthogre

You could have a $50 dollar machine and it doesn't do any good if 3 of the major stuidos are exclusive to your competition.  What good would an HD player do for a person when Spider-Man 3 and Pirates of C. 3 release?  Also titles like Fantasitc 4, Die Hard 4, Ratatouille, ect.. should be exclusive.

Universal is the only studio exclusive to HD.  Honestly that just isn't enough when you look at what is currently going on.  Sure SOE probably paid off the stuidos in some way but it will probably work.

btw, if HD players are $100 by the 4th qtr I think it's safe to say it's become the dreamcast and is dead.

[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"][QUOTE="lusitanogamer"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Why do most people think that Sony only put Blue-ray in PS3 to benefit movies. Blue-ray also helps games !

Lots and lots of developers have been saying nothing but good things about the use of Blue-ray within videogames; including Insomniac, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Epic, Konami etc etc.

[QUOTE="Tsuboyama"]Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the gamelusitanogamer

I'll take the developers word, thank you.

I have a question for you. If blu-ray is needed, and Sony's primary focus is gaming, why did Sony put a blu-ray player in the PS3 that has such a slow read speed that some games have to be partially installed to the PS3's HDD?

Maybe because it would be more expensive for them and for the consumer. They are already taking a big hit with every PS3 sold. If they can have a game partially installed on the HDD and make it work just as good for a lower price, why not?

Who said Blu-ray is not being already used for gaming? Games like Resistance take well more than 9GB of disc space. It's being used, don't be hypocrites. And don't come with the argument that Gears is way better. It looks better, yes, but in no way it has more things happening on screen at the same time like Resistance does.

It's true some games could be compressed to fit in a DVD9, but how long will that be a solution. The PS3 is here to stay for at least 6 years. If you can't realise that in a couple of years DVD9 just won't be enough that's your problem.

I willingly payed 600 euros for a console because i know that it will last me way more than any of the other consoles. I rather pay 200 euros more for something i know won't be replaced in the next 2-3 years.

Spin it how you want, but Sony screwed the pooch when developing the API for the PS3.  Its not like developers dont know how to develop.  Sony just made a clumbsy API. 

.... but its not as hard as the PS2 last gen.

Swift_Boss_A

There goes purchasing a PS3 on brand loyalty alone.  :shock: 

Who said Blu-ray is not being already used for gaming? Games like Resistance take well more than 9GB of disc space. It's being used, don't be hypocrites. And don't come with the argument that Gears is way better. It looks better, yes, but in no way it has more things happening on screen at the same time like Resistance does.

It's true some games could be compressed to fit in a DVD9, but how long will that be a solution. The PS3 is here to stay for at least 6 years. If you can't realise that in a couple of years DVD9 just won't be enough that's your problem.

I willingly payed 600 euros for a console because i know that it will last me way more than any of the other consoles. I rather pay 200 euros more for something i know won't be replaced in the next 2-3 years.

lusitanogamer

[QUOTE="lusitanogamer"]

Who said Blu-ray is not being already used for gaming? Games like Resistance take well more than 9GB of disc space. It's being used, don't be hypocrites. And don't come with the argument that Gears is way better. It looks better, yes, but in no way it has more things happening on screen at the same time like Resistance does.

It's true some games could be compressed to fit in a DVD9, but how long will that be a solution. The PS3 is here to stay for at least 6 years. If you can't realise that in a couple of years DVD9 just won't be enough that's your problem.

I willingly payed 600 euros for a console because i know that it will last me way more than any of the other consoles. I rather pay 200 euros more for something i know won't be replaced in the next 2-3 years.

bluebrad1974

Ok man, whatever. Keep telling yourself Blu-ray isn't needed. I think it will be needed and we could keep on going for the rest of the day.

Lets end this here, shall we?

[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]

One reason that the PS3 is so hard to develope for is because the Cell processor was engineered with blu-ray movies in mind instead of gaming.

Kreean

The Cell is also used for medical and scientific purposes. The BR argument fails.

Currently it is powering the Sun.

PS3s architecture is'nt complicated :|

Its memory layout is just like a PC's, RSXs architecture is EXACTLY like PC GPUs

The only thing on PS3 thats slightly complicated is Cell, but every other part of PS3 is EXACTLY like a PC. 

I thought sony already sorted this matter out by making an easy to use dev kit... What was it called again? CHRIS_K_UK

EDGE 

[QUOTE="CHRIS_K_UK"]I thought sony already sorted this matter out by making an easy to use dev kit... What was it called again? mrboo15

EDGE 

Yep, but it will take some time for developers to come to market with products using EDGE.  M$ had an effective API from jump.  This is why X360 games come to market much faster.  Its not that the Cell is so powerful that no one is intelligent enough to develop for it.