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#1 samtheprankster
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Every day this board gets flooded with people supporting one console without giving the other a chance.

I own and love both consoles but the 360 is beating the ps3 in sales by a ton but in the end i think that ps3 will win.

Why? Not only becase of the games but because of the pure power inside of ps3. Sure, at the moment 360 games look almost as good as ps3 games and the gameplay is also strong but in the future developers will learn ow to use os3's power to make brilliant games where as curently the 360 is at it's peak in developing terms.

The graphics in 360 games are great but they will not get much better. Neither will the gameplay whereas the ps3's games have room to improve in all aspects of game making. The rsx chip will ensure this.

 

In short terms the 360 is great and at the moment rivalling the ps3 but soon the developers will take control of the ps3 properly and make some real kick-ass games   

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#2 D0013ER
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The graphics in 360 games are great but they will not get much better. Neither will the gameplay whereas the ps3's games have room to improve in all aspects of game making. The rsx chip will ensure this.

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Did your 360 break on you? I want to get one but I'm afraid it will break on me.

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Every day this board gets flooded with people supporting one console without giving the other a chance.

I own and love both consoles but the 360 is beating the ps3 in sales by a ton but in the end i think that ps3 will win.

Why? Not only becase of the games but because of the pure power inside of ps3. Sure, at the moment 360 games look almost as good as ps3 games and the gameplay is also strong but in the future developers will learn ow to use os3's power to make brilliant games where as curently the 360 is at it's peak in developing terms.

The graphics in 360 games are great but they will not get much better. Neither will the gameplay whereas the ps3's games have room to improve in all aspects of game making. The rsx chip will ensure this.

 

In short terms the 360 is great and at the moment rivalling the ps3 but soon the developers will take control of the ps3 properly and make some real kick-ass games   

samtheprankster

 

... keep waiting...

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#5 samtheprankster
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my 360 has never broke but there are a lot of people who have had it happen to them
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#6 HuusAsking
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my 360 has never broke but there are a lot of people who have had it happen to them samtheprankster
If that's true, why hasn't Consumer Reports given an advisory or something?
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#7 Verge_6
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How the hell do you know what the 360 is capable of graphically? Are you telling me that the 360 has reached its full potential in a year?
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#8 marklarmer
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Sure, at the moment 360 games look almost as good as ps3 games.

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do i even need to say anything...

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#9 samtheprankster
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Checkout the 360 board to find out how many people have had it happen to them
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[QUOTE="samtheprankster"]my 360 has never broke but there are a lot of people who have had it happen to them HuusAsking
If that's true, why hasn't Consumer Reports given an advisory or something?

Oh I don't doubt that many people have had it happen to them, but I also think that when compared to the many, many more people who haven't had one break on them, the problem isn't quite as a bad as it's made out to be on the internets.  And if it really were that terrible, there would have certainly been a recall.

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ill pick it up in 3-4 years when its $200-$300
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[QUOTE="samtheprankster"]my 360 has never broke but there are a lot of people who have had it happen to them HuusAsking
If that's true, why hasn't Consumer Reports given an advisory or something?

BBC Watchdog did a special on how unreliable the hardware is. IGN has had almost all of their 360's go at one point in time. It's a real problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56-gQq62Hyc

TC, I do think that the PS3 will be better in the long run. There are already a lot of 360 games that have trouble holding down a decent framerate sometimes.

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#13 samtheprankster
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How the hell do you know what the 360 is capable of graphically? Are you telling me that the 360 has reached its full potential in a year?Verge_6

 

Because the developers have pushed the graphis engine  to it's limit whereas the ps3 can produce games with the graphics getting gradually better  for longer

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#14 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="samtheprankster"]my 360 has never broke but there are a lot of people who have had it happen to them D0013ER

If that's true, why hasn't Consumer Reports given an advisory or something?

Oh I don't doubt that many people have had it happen to them, but I also think that when compared to the many, many more people who haven't had one break on them, the problem isn't quite as a bad as it's made out to be on the internets. And if it really were that terrible, there would have certainly been a recall.

Exactly. The squeaky wheel gets all the attention. For every owner of a busted 360, there's about 80+ that don't

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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]How the hell do you know what the 360 is capable of graphically? Are you telling me that the 360 has reached its full potential in a year?samtheprankster

 

Because the developers have pushed the graphis engine to it's limit whereas the ps3 can produce games with the graphics getting gradually better for longer

I can't wait to here the proof you have regarding this. 

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http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Oblivion-Graphics-Compared-On-360-And-PS3-3440.html
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http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Oblivion-Graphics-Compared-On-360-And-PS3-3440.htmlsamtheprankster

They used a year to optimize it for ps3.

BTW it's rushed on 360 

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http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Oblivion-Graphics-Compared-On-360-And-PS3-3440.htmlsamtheprankster

Is this your proof? In all seriousness, are you joking? 

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http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Oblivion-Graphics-Compared-On-360-And-PS3-3440.htmlsamtheprankster

And now let us compare the 360 version of F.E.A.R. to the PS3's take on it... 

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No that is not all my proof. In fact it is only a small version of the amount of sites which show and tell ps3's ability to produce better graphics than the xbox 360.
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#21 HuusAsking
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No that is not all my proof. In fact it is only a small version of the amount of sites which show and tell ps3's ability to produce better graphics than the xbox 360.samtheprankster
And just as many can show the other way around. Just look at VT3. The $200-less 360 matches the PS3 virtually stroke for stroke (and it has online while the PS3 version doesn't).
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Agreed, PS3 has more 'raw' power. Give it a year to shine, and i believe it is future proof power wise.
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Agreed, PS3 has more 'raw' power. Give it a year to shine, and i believe it is future proof power wise.hyruledweller
The XBox had more power last gen, and it showed right out of the gate and throughout the generation. Gamers are losing patience. And if they really wanted MGS4 and FF13 that badly, they'd have gotten PS3's already in anticipation since they're so readily available.
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[QUOTE="hyruledweller"]Agreed, PS3 has more 'raw' power. Give it a year to shine, and i believe it is future proof power wise.HuusAsking
The XBox had more power last gen, and it showed right out of the gate and throughout the generation. Gamers are losing patience. And if they really wanted MGS4 and FF13 that badly, they'd have gotten PS3's already in anticipation since they're so readily available.

I'm not saying Power is the key, im a sheep! But for all the lemmings saying the PS3 can't do this, that or the other

i think they will be proved wrong soon. 

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#25 Serraph105
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ah and the gamecube and the XBox totally beat the ps2 because they had better graphics making your statement completly true
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for the long term the xbox was much more powerful than the ps2. still the ps2 won last gen. it doesn't matter what the hardware is capable of if there isn't sales. devs won't support it as much. they'll take short cuts.
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With HD the colors are richer, the graphics crisper and the overall experience better.

From: http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=85909

 

 Make no mistake: the PlayStation 3 is utterly superior in graphics to the Xbox 360 from what has been shown.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/05/17/xbocps3/index.php

 

There's no doubting that NVIDIA's new 7800GTX is the ultimate in PC graphics technology. The card's G70 GPU, which is more than twice as powerful as two of NVIDIA's previous top-of-the-line 6800 boards, shares a lot of similar workings with the PS3's RSX chip - only it isn't as fast. Oh, and it retails for $599.

The article actually says the GeForce 7800 GTX is not as fast as the RSX graphics processing unit that NVIDIA developed for the PlayStation 3.

From: http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9132/PlayStation-3-GPU-More-Powerful-than-GeForce-7800/

 

and theres too much info to post here but check This out. a developer telling a gaming site exactly what i said [QUOTE=A developer] This is what we're looking forward to that in eight years down the road, as Sony said they want this machine to be around for the remainder of the decade… Right now, the games you're seeing come out are using engines that are more in the traditional way of creating games, which is that your engine architecture has access to all the other parts of the engine itself. With the PlayStation 3, we're going to have to figure out how to divide up these things up so that they're much more separate.

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for the long term the xbox was much more powerful than the ps2. still the ps2 won last gen. it doesn't matter what the hardware is capable of if there isn't sales. devs won't support it as much. they'll take short cuts.Ontain

QFT. Sales = success. That doesn't make it better, that just makes it worth more $$$. Developers are in it for the $$$. It's how they feed their families.

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If the most powerful console wins it will be the first time that has ever happened won't it?
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If the most powerful console wins it will be the first time that has ever happened won't it?Riverwolf007

Snes and Genesis, Snes was more powerful yet won, but thats debatable. 

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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]If the most powerful console wins it will be the first time that has ever happened won't it?hyruledweller

Snes and Genesis, Snes was more powerful yet won, but thats debatable. 

Yeah I guess I always thought that Genesis was more power but that was a guess. Other examples are

PS1 over N64

Atari over Intellivision, colecovision and the rest

Snes and Genesis over Neo Geo

PS2 oxer Xbox

Nes over Master System

anything else that was out over Phillips cd-i and 3DO

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With HD the colors are richer, the graphics crisper and the overall experience better.

From: http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=85909

 

 Make no mistake: the PlayStation 3 is utterly superior in graphics to the Xbox 360 from what has been shown.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/05/17/xbocps3/index.php

 

There's no doubting that NVIDIA's new 7800GTX is the ultimate in PC graphics technology. The card's G70 GPU, which is more than twice as powerful as two of NVIDIA's previous top-of-the-line 6800 boards, shares a lot of similar workings with the PS3's RSX chip - only it isn't as fast. Oh, and it retails for $599.

The article actually says the GeForce 7800 GTX is not as fast as the RSX graphics processing unit that NVIDIA developed for the PlayStation 3.

From: http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9132/PlayStation-3-GPU-More-Powerful-than-GeForce-7800/

 

and theres too much info to post here but check This out. a developer telling a gaming site exactly what i said [QUOTE=A developer] This is what we're looking forward to that in eight years down the road, as Sony said they want this machine to be around for the remainder of the decade… Right now, the games you're seeing come out are using engines that are more in the traditional way of creating games, which is that your engine architecture has access to all the other parts of the engine itself. With the PlayStation 3, we're going to have to figure out how to divide up these things up so that they're much more separate.samtheprankster

 

Ummmm, the first link you sent has a date of May 2005!  And i wont be checking out any Mac sites for an unbiased view of M$ gaming anytime soon!  You can send outdated link all you want.  It is common knowledge that the GPU in the X360 is more powerful than the one in the PS3.

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I think history has proven that it doesn't matter which console is the most powerful, its the software that comes out on it that decides the console's fate.  So the PS3 could be the winner in power but if there isn't any AAA games for it (which we all know is unlikely) then it would lose...same goes for the xbox and the wii.  So it's kinda silly to argue whether a console will beat another just because it's powerful or its has a cool nunchaku thingy.  At the end of the day, its the games that make the console.
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#34 Hir0_N
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One gen doesnt last too long. Im not waiting 4 years before getting some games.
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#35 HuusAsking
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One gen doesnt last too long. Im not waiting 4 years before getting some games.Hir0_N
Besides, Moore's Law is still pretty much in effect. Quad cores are already on the rollout and DX10 GPUs, and it's only 2007. By 2010 there will probably be cheap PCs that can run circles around both consoles. When that happens, it's time for the eighth generation.