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#1 dream431ca
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Don't take my word for it. I provided the article plus the link. PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING!!!

This ends Gaming Target's week long discussion of the successes and failures of Xbox 360 and PS3 as we see them in 2009. We've gotten a lot of responses; a lot of sites calling us biased against PS3 in the beginning of the week because we started with the success of Xbox 360 and the failures of PS3. The latter half of the week is proving to inspire the opposite reactions. I hope that our analysis, now that it can be seen in full, will show that Gaming Target has been fair, but I also hope this continues to spark the debate. This console generation is far from over.

Bernie Stolar, the former Sega of America COO, once promised that the Dreamcast would include a 56K modem "out of the box." Without it, would anyone have bought it separately just to try online gaming on the Dreamcast?

PS3… stands for 3x as much in the box
The PlayStation 3's biggest advantage is not just its high-def Blu-Ray player; it's that Sony included everything you could want from a video game console inside the box. For example, if you want to access the Internet on Xbox 360 without the hassle of a wired connection, you have to pay Microsoft's $99 ransom for a separate wireless adapter. Sony included one inside the system. You don't have to even see the wireless receiver, never mind buy it. Likewise, Xbox 360 and Wii offer wireless controllers that support rechargeable battery accessories, but those come separately, too. If we're already paying between $40 and $60 for a controller, we don't want to buy a $30 rechargeable battery pack kit. In PS3's case? It comes built into the wireless controller for maximum convenience. Again you don't see it, and you don't have to worry about buying it.

PS3 is slick and convenient out of the box.

Tough economy? PSN is free; XBL is $50
Now, how about slick, convenient and free? That should be the motto of the PlayStation Network, which doesn't cost you a dime in these tough economic times. Xbox Live costs $50 a year, while the Wii's Friend Code method is free, but terrible. PS3 takes the best of both worlds by offering quality online gaming without charging you a yearly subscription. With the beta version of Home launched and Trophies to rival Xbox 360's Achievements, the PlayStation Network is finally catching up to everything that Xbox 360 offers (except the $50 admission fee).



Developer's Playground
The PlayStation 3 is also a developer's playground because it contains a hard drive in every model and is more open-ended when it comes to Marketplace rules. As I pointed out in "Why Xbox 360 is the most Unreliable Console," Capcom had issues with the file size limit of Super Street Fighter II Turbo Remix HD. While those issues were resolved with Microsoft's eventual intervention, the fact that the 360 only comes with a small memory card in Xbox 360 Arcade models puts a rather low ceiling on developers. A good example as to why the Marketplace of PS3 is more open-ended, take Unreal Tournament 3. Midway and Epic released this game on PS3 more than six months before the Xbox 360 version, which doesn't include any user-generated content.

It's not just certified developers having an easy time dealing with Sony's machine, either. Gamers at home can customize their own XMB interface themes down to the icons, while Xbox 360 owners have to purchase new "backgrounds" from the Marketplace. A lot of these so-called themes are more like advertisements, too. Why am I being offered to spend my money on terrible 7UP and Dr. Pepper backgrounds when what I want is to customize my own NXE menus with my own artwork for free? This whole "selling gamers the privilege to download what we tell them" attitude is akin to Apple, which wants to resell the $.99 songs you bought from iTunes to you in the form of a ringtone for an extra $.99.

No soup wireless for you
Microsoft's proprietary wireless technology has been a hassle for both game developers and gamers at home. For developers: Guitar Hero didn't offer a wireless guitar when Guitar Hero II debuted on the console because Microsoft reportedly refused to share its wireless technology with RedOctane. It's kind of ridiculous when the hottest-selling third-party video game franchise has to be tethered to the Xbox 360, while gamers could roam free while rocking out on the last-generation PS2.

For gamers: Lots of Xbox 360 owners are early adopters of all sorts of newfangled technology including, say, Bluetooth headsets for cell phones. While the wired headset that comes with the Xbox 360 works fine, everyone would prefer a wireless version, so why not hook up your phone's Bluetooth with the system, just like you can with PS3? Oh, that's right, you have to buy Microsoft's wireless headset if you want to cut the cord.

The fair comparison
The Xbox 360 Pro SKU at $299 and the PS3 80 GB SKU at $399 are a fair comparison because they're the cheapest models that contain everything you need to be a gamer. At first the Xbox 360 version seems like the cheaper of the two, but not when you add on the $99 wireless adapter, $50 Xbox Live subscription, a $60 wireless headset, a $30 for a controller quick charge kit and however much you plan to spend on "custom" themes. Xbox 360 ends up being the more expensive console, and in these tough economic times, no matter how many third-party exclusives Microsoft bought in the past, people are going to purchase the system that gives them the most bang for their buck. PlayStation 3 is that system, as supported by the reasons above, and I didn't even have to drag the exhausted arguments "Blu-Ray" or "eventual price cut" into the list of reasons.

http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=9297

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How on earth are 400$ more affordable than 200$

PS3 399$

360 199$

Plus PS3 HDD fills alsmot instantly if you have many games, so add another 100$ for a new PS3 external HDD

True cost

PS3 399+100= 499$

360 199$


On 360 you never have to install a game

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$200 > $400

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How on earth are 400$ more affordable than 200$

PS3 399$

360 199$

Plus PS3 HDD fills alsmot instantly if you have many games, so add another 100$ for a new PS3 external HDD

True cost

PS3 399+100= 499$

360 199$


On 360 you never have to install a game

obamanian

Read the article again.:?

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#5 Huff
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I hope that they perma ban the next person who posts this.
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#6 Skittles_McGee
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Anything can be made more expensive. All you need to do is add more extras to it. Another HDD? Why not! Controllers? Go for it! A beaver? HANDY!
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Why don't they add a new house there? You know, so you can play on your Xbox without being disturbed by relatives.
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#8 dream431ca
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Anything can be made more expensive. All you need to do is add more extras to it. Another HDD? Why not! Controllers? Go for it! A beaver? HANDY!Skittles_McGee

I wish they sold a beaver add-on :(

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#9 T-Aldous
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I put my own themes on my 360 all the time, for FREE too. I find a pic or pics on the internet and put them on a thumbdrive and plug it in to my 360 and download it as a background. TADA! It ain't rocket science. And I still play online without the wireless adapter in fact, I have my PS3 wired too for a better connection. I got ripped off by Sony again. I paid for a Wi-fi that I don't use!
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#10 isukuno
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Why, cause it's too hard to face the truth? In the long run, yes the PS3 is cheaper which has more features compared with the Xbox(you add in wifi capability (100$), XBL (50$/year), seperate Blue ray player (???$), rechargeable batter packs (??$), etc. ) However, up front the Xbox cheaper, but Microsoft nickles and dimes customers(much like the PS2, which sold 100+million consoles). Sony's marketing this gen is different than last gen.
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why does everyone throw in addons? PS3 60 or whatever the lowest gig is 400 dollars is more than a 300 dollar pro...or a 200 dollar arcade The 360 is cheaper......If you guys want to bite the PR garbage go ahead....but the more "affordable" console is the 360. The console that gives you more value...sure i guess the addition of blu ray movies does give the PS3 more value.
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Why, cause it's too hard to face the truth? In the long run, yes the PS3 is cheaper which has more features (if you add in wifi capability (100$), XBL (50$/year), seperate Blue ray player (???$), rechargeable batter packs (??$), etc.) However, up front it's cheaper, but Microsoft nickles and dimes customers(much like the PS2, which sold 100+million consoles). Sony's marketing this gen is different than last gen.isukuno
I stopped when you said its cheaper if you add stuff to the competition's system. If you have to add stuff to prove your point, your point was wrong to begin with
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Eh...forgot to add in...
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#14 stike22
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They are wrong PS3 has 3 decent games on it and they want us to pay double what the other consoles are, there is no point in having a console that doesn't have games! The only good thing about PS3 is its so high tech sony don't have to make a console for another 10yrs, if they are smart they will focus on handhelds or releasing games quicker. As for the other consoles x360 dies or red light syndrome and wii keeps releasing 8yr olds games, for the moment.
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[QUOTE="obamanian"]

How on earth are 400$ more affordable than 200$

PS3 399$

360 199$

Plus PS3 HDD fills alsmot instantly if you have many games, so add another 100$ for a new PS3 external HDD

True cost

PS3 399+100= 499$

360 199$


On 360 you never have to install a game

dream431ca

Read the article again.:?

And this article somehow increases the 199$ price of 360 ?

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[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="obamanian"]

How on earth are 400$ more affordable than 200$

PS3 399$

360 199$

Plus PS3 HDD fills alsmot instantly if you have many games, so add another 100$ for a new PS3 external HDD

True cost

PS3 399+100= 499$

360 199$


On 360 you never have to install a game

obamanian

Read the article again.:?

And this article somehow increases the 199$ price of 360 ?

Compared to the functionality of the PS3? Yes.

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Man, I long for the days when cows would endlessly gloat about MGS4 as 2008 GoTY. Now, all we get are "value comparison" threads. I'll start taking these seriously when PS3s start outselling 360s 2-1 and not vice versa. Good read, though.
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These threads should be moderable offenses by now. The consumer market should be more then enough to prove them wrong.
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Man, I long for the days when cows would endlessly gloat about MGS4 as 2008 GoTY. Now, all we get are "value comparison" threads. I'll start taking these seriously when PS3s start outselling 360s 2-1 and not vice versa. Good read, though.bez2083

Not exactly 2-1...I think the PS3 is ~20m and the 360~ 30m... Considering the fact that the 360 released a year earlier with no competition, I would say the PS3 isn't doing as bad as people make it out to be.

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I get what they're saying, but someone earlier said anything can be made more affordable. They often throw in a lot of things that aren't mandatory. I had the 360 without Live for months and still played it more than the PS3. Even if it was the more affordable console, it wouldn't be worth it. The Wii is the most affordable console and it is widely regarded as the one with the worst game library. The PS3 is not far behind with tons of multiplatform titles that are superior on the 360 and a single handful of compelling exclusives.
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And Sony's magical HIGH DEF blu ray player can't output in HD out of the box..
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Can you buy a brand new PS3 for $200?
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#23 isukuno
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Can you buy a brand new PS3 for $200?Guybrush_3

I could get one for 250$. Doesn't anyone get what the TS is trying to say? Jeez...

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#24 obamanian
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[QUOTE="obamanian"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Read the article again.:?

dream431ca

And this article somehow increases the 199$ price of 360 ?

Compared to the functionality of the PS3? Yes.

I am a gamer, not a functionality lover
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To me wireless is useless,but if you want to avoid cables is a good choice but when it comes to play online is not good lags too much i rather always use cable connection but that's just me.
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#26 dream431ca
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="obamanian"]

And this article somehow increases the 199$ price of 360 ?

obamanian

Compared to the functionality of the PS3? Yes.

I am a gamer, not a functionality lover

So you don't use the 360 for anything other than games? You don't have any pictures, music or videos stored on your 360?

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There's priorities when it comes to functionally and gaming is in the #1 spot - which a $199 360 offers right out of the box.

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[QUOTE="obamanian"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Compared to the functionality of the PS3? Yes.

dream431ca

I am a gamer, not a functionality lover

So you don't use the 360 for anything other than games? You don't have any pictures, music or videos stored on your 360?

I don't. I use this magical thing called a computer for that. It does all that stuff and does it better :o
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]Can you buy a brand new PS3 for $200?isukuno

I could get one for 250$. Doesn't anyone get what the TS is trying to say? Jeez...

You have to go through some credit card gimmik to get it for that price, and Yes I get what the TC is saying but the fact is that, for $200, you can go buy a 360 bring it home and play games on it in HD. You cant do that with a PS3. That makes the 360 the more affordable gaming machine.

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[QUOTE="bez2083"]Man, I long for the days when cows would endlessly gloat about MGS4 as 2008 GoTY. Now, all we get are "value comparison" threads. I'll start taking these seriously when PS3s start outselling 360s 2-1 and not vice versa. Good read, though.isukuno

Not exactly 2-1...I think the PS3 is ~20m and the 360~ 30m... Considering the fact that the 360 released a year earlier with no competition, I would say the PS3 isn't doing as bad as people make it out to be.

Anybody who thinks its on a deathbed is a bit off, but it definitely hasn't lived up to its hype. If I was a sharedholder, the abysmal software #s would scare me more than the hardware #s.
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[QUOTE="obamanian"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Compared to the functionality of the PS3? Yes.

dream431ca

I am a gamer, not a functionality lover

So you don't use the 360 for anything other than games? You don't have any pictures, music or videos stored on your 360?

Nope.You can access all that stuff from your PC anyways without using the HDD on the 360. But never had a reason too.
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#32 dream431ca
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There's priorities when it comes to functionally and gaming is in the #1 spot - which a $199 360 offers right out of the box.

Blue-Sky

That's great. I'm sure most people will see the 360 as the "game" console, while they see the PS3 as the "home entertainment center" console rather than just strictly gaming. I'm glad it's not just for gaming. It's the full entertainment package for a very reasonable price. Some people will find the price too expensive, but I ask you, find me a product that does everything that the PS3 does at a lower price. You will not find it.

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#33 dream431ca
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="obamanian"] I am a gamer, not a functionality loverwaynehead895

So you don't use the 360 for anything other than games? You don't have any pictures, music or videos stored on your 360?

Nope.You can access all that stuff from your PC anyways without using the HDD on the 360. But never had a reason too.

Too bad the arcade doesn't come with the HDD huh?

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So you don't use the 360 for anything other than games? You don't have any pictures, music or videos stored on your 360?

dream431ca

I'm using a PC to post on the forums. Why would I put pics, music, or video's on a 360 instead of a PC?

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[QUOTE="isukuno"]

[QUOTE="bez2083"]Man, I long for the days when cows would endlessly gloat about MGS4 as 2008 GoTY. Now, all we get are "value comparison" threads. I'll start taking these seriously when PS3s start outselling 360s 2-1 and not vice versa. Good read, though.bez2083

Not exactly 2-1...I think the PS3 is ~20m and the 360~ 30m... Considering the fact that the 360 released a year earlier with no competition, I would say the PS3 isn't doing as bad as people make it out to be.

Anybody who thinks its on a deathbed is a bit off, but it definitely hasn't lived up to its hype. If I was a sharedholder, the abysmal software #s would scare me more than the hardware #s.

What I don't get is people always say it launched a year early with NO competition.. It still had to deal with the PS2. Which was a lot cheaper and had a lot more games.
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

So you don't use the 360 for anything other than games? You don't have any pictures, music or videos stored on your 360?

Blackbond

I'm using a PC to post on the forums. Why would I put pics, music, or video's on a 360 instead of a PC?

Well, if you had a home theater for example, you could listen to you music in all it's glory and your videos would sound great.

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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

So you don't use the 360 for anything other than games? You don't have any pictures, music or videos stored on your 360?

dream431ca

I'm using a PC to post on the forums. Why would I put pics, music, or video's on a 360 instead of a PC?

Well, if you had a home theater for example, you could listen to you music in all it's glory and your videos would sound great.

What does that have to do with playing games?

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#38 Skittles_McGee
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

So you don't use the 360 for anything other than games? You don't have any pictures, music or videos stored on your 360?

dream431ca

I'm using a PC to post on the forums. Why would I put pics, music, or video's on a 360 instead of a PC?

Well, if you had a home theater for example, you could listen to you music in all it's glory and your videos would sound great.

Fun fact: you can do that with a PC too.
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I'm using a PC to post on the forums. Why would I put pics, music, or video's on a 360 instead of a PC?

Guybrush_3

Well, if you had a home theater for example, you could listen to you music in all it's glory and your videos would sound great.

What does that have to do with playing games?

It doesn't :| My point is, consoles are moving away from just games. If you want to just use your console for gaming, your better off buying a Wii or a last gen console, because you would be wasting your money otherwise.

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#40 dream431ca
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I'm using a PC to post on the forums. Why would I put pics, music, or video's on a 360 instead of a PC?

Skittles_McGee

Well, if you had a home theater for example, you could listen to you music in all it's glory and your videos would sound great.

Fun fact: you can do that with a PC too.

Of course, but were talking about consoles here ;)

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#41 Skittles_McGee
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[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Well, if you had a home theater for example, you could listen to you music in all it's glory and your videos would sound great.

dream431ca

Fun fact: you can do that with a PC too.

Of course, but were talking about consoles here ;)

Yeah. But everyone here has a PC thats capable of doing this stuff so the point is kind of moot.
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Well, if you had a home theater for example, you could listen to you music in all it's glory and your videos would sound great.

dream431ca

What does that have to do with playing games?

It doesn't :| My point is, consoles are moving away from just games. If you want to just use your console for gaming, your better off buying a Wii or a last gen console, because you would be wasting your money otherwise.

Heh to see the gamer killed off by multimedia jazz. Here's a quick assessment. The PC will always out do any console in multimedia features. Thus its pretty pointless to have or use them in majority of cases. All it is, is wasted money and extra cost.

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#43 CaseyWegner
Member since 2002 • 70152 Posts

I hope that they perma ban the next person who posts this.Huff

nah. they just get locked.