PS3 owners think they're entitled to something?

I'm all for brand loyalty, customer retention, giving back to the fans, and all of that stuff, but when do we come to a point where it's being taken too far? When do we shut up and say "you know what? What am I complaining for"? Too long now, I've witnessed it countless times. A game comes out from a company who once showed more love to one platform than another, and is now showing love to the company of another platform. Later on, we get a petition (that almost never does anything) and fans go rampant on message boards and the comment sections of blogs, touting around their sense of entitlement as if they've directly paid for the funding of the project (indirectly, sure, but let's not get too irrational).

More: http://www.analoghype.com/2009/09/ps3-owners-think-theyre-entitled-to-something-an-editorial-on-sense-of-entitlement/

Excellent read.

Sounds like its talking about FFXIII, but this isnt just something PS3 fanboys do, all fanboys act like this, microsoft just hasnt lost any 3rd party exclusives. But you can bet if something like gears of war went to PS3 then Xbots would be pissed and there would be petitions aswell.

I agree but it most definitely is not just PS3 fans. Its gamers in general and it pisses me off. These companies owe you NOTHING people. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. Stop demanding things like you run the show.

I agree but it most definitely is not just PS3 fans. Its gamers in general and it pisses me off. These companies owe you NOTHING people. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. Stop demanding things like you run the show.

ActicEdge

Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

Sounds like its talking about FFXIII, but this isnt just something PS3 fanboys do, all fanboys act like this, microsoft just hasnt lost any 3rd party exclusives. But you can bet if something like gears of war went to PS3 then Xbots would be pissed and there would be petitions aswell.

zarshack

I have seen a few posts here in System Wars, mostly by PS3 owners as if developers owe them something. Though most noticeable was with FF13 of course, they still got the game which is what was most confounding about it.Next-Gen-Tec

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I agree but it most definitely is not just PS3 fans. Its gamers in general and it pisses me off. These companies owe you NOTHING people. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. Stop demanding things like you run the show.

AHUGECAT

Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I agree but it most definitely is not just PS3 fans. Its gamers in general and it pisses me off. These companies owe you NOTHING people. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. Stop demanding things like you run the show.

Next-Gen-Tec

Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

Which is why the companies keep churning them out - the customers have spoken, we run the show. Without us companies are nothing, literally. Grand Theft Auto sells, so Rockstar makes more sequels - the customers have just ran the show.

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Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

AHUGECAT

Which is why the companies keep churning them out - the customers have spoken, we run the show. Without us companies are nothing, literally. Grand Theft Auto sells, so Rockstar makes more sequels - the customers have just ran the show.

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I agree but it most definitely is not just PS3 fans. Its gamers in general and it pisses me off. These companies owe you NOTHING people. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. Stop demanding things like you run the show.

AHUGECAT

Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

I agree but it most definitely is not just PS3 fans. Its gamers in general and it pisses me off. These companies owe you NOTHING people. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. Stop demanding things like you run the show.

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"]I have seen a few posts here in System Wars, mostly by PS3 owners as if developers owe them something. Though most noticeable was with FF13 of course, they still got the game which is what was most confounding about it.AlexSheep

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I agree but it most definitely is not just PS3 fans. Its gamers in general and it pisses me off. These companies owe you NOTHING people. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. Stop demanding things like you run the show.

AHUGECAT

Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

You do, but you only get purchasing power. Buy or don't buy, that is your only position. You as the customer are not entitled anything from the dev, they owe you nothing. You buy the product because you see worth in it, you don't get to decude when and when there is something you should have though. The companies are here to make money, they aren't here to please you, that is secondary, your money is primary. They only "owe" you if you buy there product, that's the catch.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I agree but it most definitely is not just PS3 fans. Its gamers in general and it pisses me off. These companies owe you NOTHING people. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. Stop demanding things like you run the show.

ricosuave84

Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

No you shouldn't. You buy the product because you like whats in it, you can't dictate the product because the company dooesn't need your money specifically. You pay for the games because you see worth in them, that doesn't give you any sort of entitlement over them or what you deserve. That's silly.

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Sounds like its talking about FFXIII, but this isnt just something PS3 fanboys do, all fanboys act like this, microsoft just hasnt lost any 3rd party exclusives. But you can bet if something like gears of war went to PS3 then Xbots would be pissed and there would be petitions aswell.

MortalDecay

all you and Omeganinja do is bash. So yeah im not going to read it:x

The entitlement mentality is horrible anymore. No one wants to work for anything and they think they deserve everything.

Not speaking about PS3 fans or anything, just an observation.

Companies don't demand our loyalty, we give it freely based on positive experiences. Consumers get deluded into thinking that companies actually care about the individual. That's a laugh. They don't care about anything except their stockholders, which I'm sure most of us are not.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I agree but it most definitely is not just PS3 fans. Its gamers in general and it pisses me off. These companies owe you NOTHING people. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. Stop demanding things like you run the show.

ActicEdge

Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

You do, but you only get purchasing power. Buy or don't buy, that is your only position. You as the customer are not entitled anything from the dev, they owe you nothing. You buy the product because you see worth in it, you don't get to decude when and when there is something you should have though. The companies are here to make money, they aren't here to please you, that is secondary, your money is primary. They only "owe" you if you buy there product, that's the catch.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

ricosuave84

You do, but you only get purchasing power. Buy or don't buy, that is your only position. You as the customer are not entitled anything from the dev, they owe you nothing. You buy the product because you see worth in it, you don't get to decude when and when there is something you should have though. The companies are here to make money, they aren't here to please you, that is secondary, your money is primary. They only "owe" you if you buy there product, that's the catch.

What contradiction? What part of any game or what feature are you entitled to by a games company? What do they owe you? Lose lose is irrelevant. You don't deserve anything from these companies.

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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

ActicEdge

No you shouldn't. You buy the product because you like whats in it, you can't dictate the product because the company dooesn't need your money specifically. You pay for the games because you see worth in them, that doesn't give you any sort of entitlement over them or what you deserve. That's silly.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I agree but it most definitely is not just PS3 fans. Its gamers in general and it pisses me off. These companies owe you NOTHING people. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. Stop demanding things like you run the show.

Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I agree but it most definitely is not just PS3 fans. Its gamers in general and it pisses me off. These companies owe you NOTHING people. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. Stop demanding things like you run the show.

67gt500

Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

But who's face is on the bills? Mario? Zelda?

Xbox 360 owners enraged over Tales of Vesperia port

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I agree but it most definitely is not just PS3 fans. Its gamers in general and it pisses me off. These companies owe you NOTHING people. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. Stop demanding things like you run the show.

ActicEdge

Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

You do, but you only get purchasing power. Buy or don't buy, that is your only position. You as the customer are not entitled anything from the dev, they owe you nothing. You buy the product because you see worth in it, you don't get to decude when and when there is something you should have though. The companies are here to make money, they aren't here to please you, that is secondary, your money is primary. They only "owe" you if you buy there product, that's the catch.

Xbox 360 owners enraged over Tales of Vesperia port

RedruM_I

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

Zaibach

You do, but you only get purchasing power. Buy or don't buy, that is your only position. You as the customer are not entitled anything from the dev, they owe you nothing. You buy the product because you see worth in it, you don't get to decude when and when there is something you should have though. The companies are here to make money, they aren't here to please you, that is secondary, your money is primary. They only "owe" you if you buy there product, that's the catch.

That sounds like entitlement to me. PS3 owners are not entitled to a better experience. Why would any company want to have one gimped and one not gimped version of a product on the market when it comes on 2 systems with almost identical power? 360 owners will be more inclined to skip, SE doesn't want that. This is what I mean, SE owes nothing to Sony, Sony fans or the PS3. They put games on the system they feel is best suited and hope to profit. If you don't like it, too bad, you have the power not to buy it. But you don't deserve to dictate the terms of the product.

If game companies stuck to making console exclusive games and didn't sell enough copies to cover developement costs and make a profit, there would be no more big budget productions. The only new games we'd get would be X-Box arcade, Wiiware and PSN games. We'd all be playing old games and remembering the good old days when developers could spend millions of dollars to create games.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I agree but it most definitely is not just PS3 fans. Its gamers in general and it pisses me off. These companies owe you NOTHING people. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. Stop demanding things like you run the show.

ActicEdge

Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

You do, but you only get purchasing power. Buy or don't buy, that is your only position. You as the customer are not entitled anything from the dev, they owe you nothing. You buy the product because you see worth in it, you don't get to decude when and when there is something you should have though. The companies are here to make money, they aren't here to please you, that is secondary, your money is primary. They only "owe" you if you buy there product, that's the catch.

The reason companies exist is because of our money. They don't "owe" us as in getting us things for free, but we have the right to demand things if we spent our money on their products.

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Xbox 360 owners enraged over Tales of Vesperia port

Next-Gen-Tec

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"]

Xbox 360 owners enraged over Tales of Vesperia port

RedruM_I

"Usually it's the PS3 fans who get upset over multiplatform titles (I still remember the Devil May Cry 4 petition) but at least in this case, I can understand the anger to a point. A lot of Japanese users bought their systems solely for this game, and to find out that it's coming to the PS3 with a boatload of extra goodies must seriously piss them off."

PS3 and 360 FF13 are the same.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

You do, but you only get purchasing power. Buy or don't buy, that is your only position. You as the customer are not entitled anything from the dev, they owe you nothing. You buy the product because you see worth in it, you don't get to decude when and when there is something you should have though. The companies are here to make money, they aren't here to please you, that is secondary, your money is primary. They only "owe" you if you buy there product, that's the catch.

ActicEdge

That sounds like entitlement to me. PS3 owners are not entitled to a better experience. Why would any company want to have one gimped and one not gimped version of a product on the market when it comes on 2 systems with almost identical power? 360 owners will be more inclined to skip, SE doesn't want that. This is what I mean, SE owes nothing to Sony, Sony fans or the PS3. They put games on the system they feel is best suited and hope to profit. If you don't like it, too bad, you have the power not to buy it. But you don't deserve to dictate the terms of the product.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Customers DO run the show, we pay them with our money. Without our money they are nothing. Or do you think Capcom, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc. etc. grow money on trees?

AHUGECAT

You do, but you only get purchasing power. Buy or don't buy, that is your only position. You as the customer are not entitled anything from the dev, they owe you nothing. You buy the product because you see worth in it, you don't get to decude when and when there is something you should have though. The companies are here to make money, they aren't here to please you, that is secondary, your money is primary. They only "owe" you if you buy there product, that's the catch.

The reason companies exist is because of our money. They don't "owe" us as in getting us things for free, but we have the right to demand things if we spent our money on their products.

You do. You can demand whatever the hell you want. You are not entitled to anything however, and you don't deserve them either. That was my point. These aren't human rights here, these are games, the companies owe you nothing. You candemand it but they don't have to listen and I encourage them not to listen on most of the things gamersdemand. Again, you are not entitled to it if you didn't buy it and if you did buyit, its too late to demand.Also the idea that the customer is the sole reason where companies get to where they are is untrue, they have to persuade the buyer, that takes a hell of a lot of talent. In the end, they are just as important as the customer.

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[QUOTE="Zaibach"]Its not about expecting anything, its about standards and SE is a prime example. Its common knowledge that ff started on nintendo, but without the playstaion platform it wouldnt be where it is. all the ff games on the ps platforms have become the most celebrated jrpgs of our time. I'm not saying keep exclusivity but at least dont gimp one game for another...its no secret that that since this gen began the 360 has received 3 exclusives where as the ps3 has yet receive a single game.

Zaibach

That sounds like entitlement to me. PS3 owners are not entitled to a better experience. Why would any company want to have one gimped and one not gimped version of a product on the market when it comes on 2 systems with almost identical power? 360 owners will be more inclined to skip, SE doesn't want that. This is what I mean, SE owes nothing to Sony, Sony fans or the PS3. They put games on the system they feel is best suited and hope to profit. If you don't like it, too bad, you have the power not to buy it. But you don't deserve to dictate the terms of the product.

They are virtually identical in power. One is being "gimped" due to disc space but that's irreleavant. Ps3 owners are not entitled to fair treatment. They are not entitled to Star Ocean, Last Remnant or Infinite Undiscovery. They don't even deserve the power to "notbuy it". The idea that they do is what needs to die. The company isn't here to strictly please PS3 owners, they don't give a damn about them and they don't have to.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

That sounds like entitlement to me. PS3 owners are not entitled to a better experience. Why would any company want to have one gimped and one not gimped version of a product on the market when it comes on 2 systems with almost identical power? 360 owners will be more inclined to skip, SE doesn't want that. This is what I mean, SE owes nothing to Sony, Sony fans or the PS3. They put games on the system they feel is best suited and hope to profit. If you don't like it, too bad, you have the power not to buy it. But you don't deserve to dictate the terms of the product.

ActicEdge

They are virtually identical in power. One is being "gimped" due to disc space but that's irreleavant. Ps3 owners are not entitled to fair treatment. They are not entitled to Star Ocean, Last Remnant or Infinite Undiscovery. They don't even deserve the power to "notbuy it". The idea that they do is what needs to die. The company isn't here to strictly please PS3 owners, they don't give a damn about them and they don't have to.

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"] You didn't even read the article. Nothing like FF13 on 360.Next-Gen-Tec

"Usually it's the PS3 fans who get upset over multiplatform titles (I still remember the Devil May Cry 4 petition) but at least in this case, I can understand the anger to a point. A lot of Japanese users bought their systems solely for this game, and to find out that it's coming to the PS3 with a boatload of extra goodies must seriously piss them off."

PS3 and 360 FF13 are the same.

I'm sure a lot of people at the beggining of this gen bought a PS3 for the FF franchise. The claims of the game possibly being downgraded are understandable since there is a very big difference when designing a game for more than one hardware architecture than for one exclusively. So in that way, PS3 fanboys can feel that they are being betrayed with their trust and loyalty. The same happened when a port of Castle Crashers was announced for the PS3. The company forum was filled with 360 fanboys screaming "Treason!" and claiming that the PS3 was going to receive a special version when in fact the versions are pretty much the same in terms of content.

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[QUOTE="Zaibach"]How can one be gimped if they are identical in power? I have nothing against wanting to profit I already said its not about exclusivity but then again I refer to that which I have already asked. the various other games released on one system while the other which has been your bread and butter is hung out to dry. no star ocean ect ect ps3 owners dont even have the power to exercise the choice to "not buy it"

Zaibach

They are virtually identical in power. One is being "gimped" due to disc space but that's irreleavant. Ps3 owners are not entitled to fair treatment. They are not entitled to Star Ocean, Last Remnant or Infinite Undiscovery. They don't even deserve the power to "notbuy it". The idea that they do is what needs to die. The company isn't here to strictly please PS3 owners, they don't give a damn about them and they don't have to.

No, what gives you that impression?

Welcome to the world of fanboyism. Where you've been TC.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

You do, but you only get purchasing power. Buy or don't buy, that is your only position. You as the customer are not entitled anything from the dev, they owe you nothing. You buy the product because you see worth in it, you don't get to decude when and when there is something you should have though. The companies are here to make money, they aren't here to please you, that is secondary, your money is primary. They only "owe" you if you buy there product, that's the catch.

ActicEdge

The reason companies exist is because of our money. They don't "owe" us as in getting us things for free, but we have the right to demand things if we spent our money on their products.

You do. You can demand whatever the hell you want. You are not entitled to anything however, and you don't deserve them either. That was my point. These aren't human rights here, these are games, the companies owe you nothing. You candemand it but they don't have to listen and I encourage them not to listen on most of the things gamersdemand. Again, you are not entitled to it if you didn't buy it and if you did buyit, its too late to demand.Also the idea that the customer is the sole reason where companies get to where they are is untrue, they have to persuade the buyer, that takes a hell of a lot of talent. In the end, they are just as important as the customer.

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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The reason companies exist is because of our money. They don't "owe" us as in getting us things for free, but we have the right to demand things if we spent our money on their products.

ricosuave84

You do. You can demand whatever the hell you want. You are not entitled to anything however, and you don't deserve them either. That was my point. These aren't human rights here, these are games, the companies owe you nothing. You candemand it but they don't have to listen and I encourage them not to listen on most of the things gamersdemand. Again, you are not entitled to it if you didn't buy it and if you did buyit, its too late to demand.Also the idea that the customer is the sole reason where companies get to where they are is untrue, they have to persuade the buyer, that takes a hell of a lot of talent. In the end, they are just as important as the customer.

No, they don't. We payed for game that we played and enjoyed, getting out money's worth (hopefully). The company takes the money, reinvests, trying to make more money. They have not emotional connection to anything. It's economics. Loyalty doesn't come into it. If developers and the major console companies based their decisions on customer loyalty and desire, the companies would only make rehashes of old games, based on nostalgia, and gaming would have stagnated and died years ago.

Sounds like its talking about FFXIII, but this isnt just something PS3 fanboys do, all fanboys act like this, microsoft just hasnt lost any 3rd party exclusives. But you can bet if something like gears of war went to PS3 then Xbots would be pissed and there would be petitions aswell.

zarshack

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The reason companies exist is because of our money. They don't "owe" us as in getting us things for free, but we have the right to demand things if we spent our money on their products.

ricosuave84

You do. You can demand whatever the hell you want. You are not entitled to anything however, and you don't deserve them either. That was my point. These aren't human rights here, these are games, the companies owe you nothing. You candemand it but they don't have to listen and I encourage them not to listen on most of the things gamersdemand. Again, you are not entitled to it if you didn't buy it and if you did buyit, its too late to demand.Also the idea that the customer is the sole reason where companies get to where they are is untrue, they have to persuade the buyer, that takes a hell of a lot of talent. In the end, they are just as important as the customer.

No, they don't owe you anything for your support. They don't even know who you are. They don't owe you a thing because they continued to make their games with profit in mind first and foremost and everything else secondary. You didn't buy there games thinking, "SE so totally owes me for buying all there stuff" You bought it for enjoyment, its a mutually relationship, there should be no sense of emotion or entitlement attached period. If this thinking is messed up, so be it.