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#1 jakarai
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According to a post over at PS3 Fanboy, the 400GB Blu-ray discs that were pioneered by Pioneer earlier this year are compatible with all existing Blu-ray drives - including the PlayStation 3.

Pioneer unveiled the 16-layer Blu-ray discs earlier this year, and even at that time, there was speculation that the existing Blu-ray drives would be able to handle the extra layers.

Though the discs likely won't be consumer-ready until 2010, which is really not that far away, this definitely causes my mind to race with ideas. To put it into perspective, one 400GB Blu-ray would hold at least 40 times the size of the average Xbox 360 game. Further to this, Pioneer plans to expand the capacity to 1TB in 2013.

Mad props to the geniuses behind the Blu-ray format, as 400GB ought to be enough for anybody.

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Damn! That's enough space to support games for the NEXT generation of gaming! Good thing Sony always plans ahead when developing their consoles.

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#2 WalterPaladines
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Wow blu-ray just keeps getting better and better, just goes to show that Sony does look into the future, unlike it's competitors who rush out with 3rd rate hardware.
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#3 SapSacPrime
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Firstly PS3 fanboy? :| and more importantly even if that is true it does not mean it will be for gaming, it may only be for movies don't forget... ughh thats like quoting something somebody said on here as fact...
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#4 foxhound_fox
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It doesn't matter how big the discs get... they will all be impeded by those slow read speeds of the PS3's drive.
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#5 RonnieLottinSF
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This has nothing to do with gaming, unless we are talking next, next generation.
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#6 WatchmenWatchUs
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MGS5 to max at the 400gb blu-ray disc. Longest game ever, 200 hours worth a cut scenes and 100 hours worth of gameplay. Only possible on PS3 and teh CELL.
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#7 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Wow blu-ray just keeps getting better and better, just goes to show that Sony does look into the future, unlike it's competitors who rush out with 3rd rate hardware.WalterPaladines
Yeah, because with such a slow reader they sure are looking for the future, especially with 400 GB discs :roll: Mandatory installs of one hour?
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#8 WalterPaladines
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[QUOTE="WalterPaladines"]Wow blu-ray just keeps getting better and better, just goes to show that Sony does look into the future, unlike it's competitors who rush out with 3rd rate hardware.IronBass
Yeah, because with such a slow reader they sure are looking for the future, especially with 400 GB discs :roll: Mandatory installs of one hour?

The PS3 can always be improved through Firmware updates.
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Whoa whoa wait, I just read the article 5 minutes ago myself, MGS4 when taken from its BD and put on a PC it was 33 gigs, so what good would have 12 times that do? A developer would have to develop the game for like 20 years before releasing a game that can fit on that disk. That is considering the PS3's specs. Maybe on the PS4 will such space be necessary to store all the 2560p textures and 9.1 uncompressed surround sound, etc O.O
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The PS3 can always be improved through Firmware updates.WalterPaladines

One cannot download new hardware. Firmware updates add features and new programs, not new hardware.
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#11 taker42
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Just curious, would any of you prefer to store stuff in a disc or hard drive?
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#12 taker42
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[QUOTE="WatchmenWatchUs"]100 hours worth of gameplay. .

I wouldn't mind this. [QUOTE="WatchmenWatchUs"]200 hours worth a cut scenes .

This scares me >.
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#13 WalterPaladines
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Just curious, would any of you prefer to store stuff in a disc or hard drive?taker42
On a disc for sure, I can see the uses the 400 gig disc will have.
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#14 Jekken6
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You could fit an entire collection of games on 400GB and on a sepertate disc, an entire collection of movies/tv series
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No developer in their right mind is going to make a game thats 100gb+, so this is worthless.
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#16 WalterPaladines
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No developer in their right mind is going to make a game thats 100gb+, so this is worthless.Dahaka-UK
It's not worthless, they can use the space for uncompressed/digital sound, games saves, streaming data, etc. This will be ground breaking if used right.
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No developer in their right mind is going to make a game thats 100gb+, so this is worthless.Dahaka-UK

Because you're friends with every dev or are in the know right?

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#18 Faulttt
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just because it cant play on the 360, lems bash it. :P

Kudos to sony for Picking Bluray :D

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#19 micky4889
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Wow blu-ray just secured its place as the storage media for the next 2 gens maybe even 3 lol
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just because it cant play on the 360, lems bash it. :P

Kudos to sony for Picking Bluray :D

Faulttt
agreed, it's sad really.
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#21 Steppy_76
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just because it cant play on the 360, lems bash it. :P

Kudos to sony for Picking Bluray :D

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The funny thing is that most don't think bluray in and of itself is bad, merely when sony chose to implement it. By the time the extra space becomes more of a nessessity, the PS3 won't be the only machine with it and the tech would have evolved to the point where it brought speed gains in addition to the capacity gains. Being "future" proof is fine and dandy when you have an infinite amount of time for that future to come to pass...it's rather useless when the "future" you protected against comes after the products lifespan is over.
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Wow blu-ray just secured its place as the storage media for the next 2 gens maybe even 3 lolmicky4889
If they can get 12x drives ready for next-gen then it will very good but that's doubtful. By the time they make those drives cheap and effective we'll probably have something far better to use.
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#23 jakarai
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[QUOTE="Faulttt"]

just because it cant play on the 360, lems bash it. :P

Kudos to sony for Picking Bluray :D

Steppy_76
The funny thing is that most don't think bluray in and of itself is bad, merely when sony chose to implement it. By the time the extra space becomes more of a nessessity, the PS3 won't be the only machine with it and the tech would have evolved to the point where it brought speed gains in addition to the capacity gains. Being "future" proof is fine and dandy when you have an infinite amount of time for that future to come to pass...it's rather useless when the "future" you protected against comes after the products lifespan is over.

If it wasn't for PS3 though Blu Ray problaby would have failed against HD-DVD.
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[QUOTE="micky4889"]Wow blu-ray just secured its place as the storage media for the next 2 gens maybe even 3 lolZenkuso
If they can get 12x drives ready for next-gen then it will very good but that's doubtful. By the time they make those drives cheap and effective we'll probably have something far better to use.

Why 12?

A 6x blu ray drive is already twice the speed of the 360s drive lol

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/images/12xdvdvsbdrs0cg.png

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What is it with PS3 users and disk storage? Blu-ray's impact on gaming this generation has been very minor, the advantages that is, read speed has caused all sorts of problems for the console.

I said it once and I'll say it again, disk storage is an enabler of additional content and not the cause. PS3 exclusives or any platform exclusives for that matter are limited by the number of sales it can achieve on a single platform, when a games development costs get too high it has to spread itself across several platforms to maintain profitability. Therefore no one can afford to fill a Blu-ray disk, a game with that much content would need to be cross platform.

As it stands today; Blu-ray is only useful for low compression content.

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this is probably another fanboys fantasy.
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#27 fluxorator
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It doesn't matter how big the discs get... they will all be impeded by those slow read speeds of the PS3's drive.foxhound_fox
So what if it's "Slow"? (It's really not as slow as Xbots would like to think, because of things like angular vs linear velocities) I would prefer COD(x) be twice as long rather than look twice as good.
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#28 fluxorator
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Whoa whoa wait, I just read the article 5 minutes ago myself, MGS4 when taken from its BD and put on a PC it was 33 gigs, so what good would have 12 times that do? A developer would have to develop the game for like 20 years before releasing a game that can fit on that disk. That is considering the PS3's specs. Maybe on the PS4 will such space be necessary to store all the 2560p textures and 9.1 uncompressed surround sound, etc O.ORoushrsh
Well for one it means longer games. Maybe they wont get any longer than SE games get currently, not until we get to Final Fantasy CLXXVII at least. But it does mean, other games which are notoriously short due to having to fit a MP on the disk, could get longer. A lot longer. With bonus content and stuff.
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[QUOTE="Zenkuso"][QUOTE="micky4889"]Wow blu-ray just secured its place as the storage media for the next 2 gens maybe even 3 lolmicky4889

If they can get 12x drives ready for next-gen then it will very good but that's doubtful. By the time they make those drives cheap and effective we'll probably have something far better to use.

Why 12?

A 6x blu ray drive is already twice the speed of the 360s drive lol

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/images/12xdvdvsbdrs0cg.png

I'm just going by this topic debate ;) If you were using the 400gb blu-ray you would want 12x read speed specifically because you would need it to read through massive amounts of data very quickly, anything below that in the 100gb range you could go 6x or 8x quite easily, heck it would be great if we had that right now in the current consoles. Getting it to read closer to hard drives speeds is important, it wipes out the need for duplicate data and caches.
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#30 Steppy_76
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[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="Faulttt"]

just because it cant play on the 360, lems bash it. :P

Kudos to sony for Picking Bluray :D

jakarai
The funny thing is that most don't think bluray in and of itself is bad, merely when sony chose to implement it. By the time the extra space becomes more of a nessessity, the PS3 won't be the only machine with it and the tech would have evolved to the point where it brought speed gains in addition to the capacity gains. Being "future" proof is fine and dandy when you have an infinite amount of time for that future to come to pass...it's rather useless when the "future" you protected against comes after the products lifespan is over.

If it wasn't for PS3 though Blu Ray problaby would have failed against HD-DVD.

Possibly, but it ended the war quicker and they still could have won it. Sony "bought" the HD format, and the cost was a known cashcow in the playstation brand. If the HD disc market is as big as the DVD market it could be a smart move...if other avenues eat away at the movie market and/or people hold on to DVD longer than Sony thought, the piece of the pie they bought could end up being much smaller than they thought it would.
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It's going to be great for movies but not games, well not anytime soon. Devs will not be bothered and they wont have the need to use up so much space. Even 50 gig of compressed data would rarely be used for any game unless they just add in a LOT of clips in the game.
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#32 byge
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Read speeds must be horrendous and manufacturing the discs would not be cost effective at the moment. Not to mention most PS3 games don't fill up to the 20 GB mark.
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It's going to be great for movies but not games, well not anytime soon. Devs will not be bothered and they wont have the need to use up so much space. Even 50 gig of compressed data would rarely be used for any game unless they just add in a LOT of clips in the game.Faber_Fighter
It's not even useful for movies. This is useful for data storage on the PC side of things primarily. On the video side of things, you'd be able to hold a whole season of TV shows on a single disc in 1080p. On the game side of things, you would be able to hold multiple games on a single disc as no single game is going to be over 50 - 100 gigs for quite some time.
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#34 rolo107
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I'm pretty sure the typical 50 GB disc could support the next generation... I doubt games are going to jump up to 400GB in size anytime soon...
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#35 WilliamRLBaker
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LOL the least you could do is some research instead of forcing me to go 4 pages deep yeah thats right 4 pages deep, your link, then ps3 fanboy then finally the engadget of then was linked to digitimes systems. http://digitimes.com/news/a20081201PD212.html the original article mentions nothing of the PS3 simply it says that they can be read on blu ray players, As for that the source is from...""IT Month fair in Taipei"" any sort of mistranslation could have happend surfice to say dont get your hopes up people without any sort of official announcement originally in english. EDit: and no I dont hyperlink cause gamespots forums suck and if i turn on The wisgy or whatever editor it all ways gives me html error message and i cant ever post. EDit 2: ps3 is only mentioned till we get to the ps3fanboy repost of the article....Odd? all so engadget even says. ""a "DigiTimes" report asserts that these are indeed compatible with Blu-ray readers already on the market"" ~digitimes is in italics on the engadget site~
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I'm pretty sure the typical 50 GB disc could support the next generation... I doubt games are going to jump up to 400GB in size anytime soon... rolo107

I'm pretty sure 50GB would support the next two generations, maybe 100GB for the Generation after next. But 400GB would just be a huge waste No way a game would be that big in the near future.

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#37 naruto7777
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how are you doing to fit 16 layers in a ps3
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Go go gadget, Kojima!
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I don't think this will be used by games this gen. Next gen (2012?) could probably with a 4x bluray drive (4x drive for bluray has faster transfer rates than a 12x dvd drive) and multiple cell architecture hopefully with loads of ram this time around.
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#40 S3CR3T_SPY2
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It's a shame that our imagination goes beyond what they will actually do with it :(
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It's a shame our imagination goes beyond what they will actually do with it :(
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="WalterPaladines"]Wow blu-ray just keeps getting better and better, just goes to show that Sony does look into the future, unlike it's competitors who rush out with 3rd rate hardware.WalterPaladines
Yeah, because with such a slow reader they sure are looking for the future, especially with 400 GB discs :roll: Mandatory installs of one hour?

The PS3 can always be improved through Firmware updates.

Disk read speeds is a function of the hardware not software.
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Cant wait to see the load times on those:?
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More space is always good, but do you really think devs are going to develop longer games just because there is more space? They are in the business to make money, not fill up disks.
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#45 Hexagon_777
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Wow blu-ray just keeps getting better and better, just goes to show that Sony does look into the future, unlike it's competitors who rush out with 3rd rate hardware.WalterPaladines


Funny how that wasn't the case with the PS1 and the PS2. :roll:
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No one cares. Nothing to do with gaming right now.
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[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]No developer in their right mind is going to make a game thats 100gb+, so this is worthless.WalterPaladines
It's not worthless, they can use the space for uncompressed/digital sound, games saves, streaming data, etc. This will be ground breaking if used right.

This comment alone shows how clueless you are and voids your entire argument on the media capacity. When have you known any gaming device to save directly to the disk?!?

Blu ray in a nutshell is pointless (not that the fanboys would listen), its not enough storage to use in a professional environment (terabytes are utilized in massive storage arrays) and it is complete overkill for anything else (movies, games). The entertainment industry is currently moving towards digital distribution (regardless of your personal preferences for physical media) and all media is being streamed or downloaded, including full PS3 games!!!

So get ready to archive your Blu-ray disks next to your laserdisk and zip disk and formats that came at during a major industry transition and faded into the night.

Game On...

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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="WalterPaladines"]Wow blu-ray just keeps getting better and better, just goes to show that Sony does look into the future, unlike it's competitors who rush out with 3rd rate hardware.WalterPaladines
Yeah, because with such a slow reader they sure are looking for the future, especially with 400 GB discs :roll: Mandatory installs of one hour?

The PS3 can always be improved through Firmware updates.

What, other platforms don't have firmware?

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#49 tbolt76
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The primary use for such a disc would be storage. Maybe full TV or movie collections on one disc. Highly unlikely, at least by 2010 that games will be using them. Maybe if they put a complete IP collection on one disc (think something like every Metal Gear title) which, for the most part, could probably be handled by the current 50GB DL Blu-Ray discs.
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and this helps me...how?