PS3 users is this true?

I don't usually start topics, but I just want to know if the PS3 userbase agrees with this topic. If this has posted before I appologise in advance. I took a paragraph from a topic discussing one of the reasonswhy PSN network is having trouble.I included the link below as reference.

"Critically, however, it is the price Sony puts on the download of products from their Network which is the root of the concern. We the consumer may get our PSN for free, but that's because the bill is footed by the publishers with Sony issuing a fee on every download made through the service. This includes things like demos and when you're talking hundreds of thousands of downloads it begins to cost a package. We've even been told by one developer who wished to stay anonymous that if you know your demo is going to go gangbusters as DLC on the PSN, you're better off not releasing it at all."

http://www.gameplayer.com.au/gp_documents/PSNStruggle.aspx?Page=2

yes its true, after all they need to make money from their online service.........

I dunno but at least we as the consumer doesn't feel the cost for it :D

I don't usually start topics, but I just want to know if the PS3 userbase agrees with this topic. If this has posted before I appologise in advance. I took a paragraph from a topic discussing one of the reasonswhy PSN network is having trouble.I included the link below as reference.

"Critically, however, it is the price Sony puts on the download of products from their Network which is the root of the concern. We the consumer may get our PSN for free, but that's because the bill is footed by the publishers with Sony issuing a fee on every download made through the service. This includes things like demos and when you're talking hundreds of thousands of downloads it begins to cost a package. We've even been told by one developer who wished to stay anonymous that if you know your demo is going to go gangbusters as DLC on the PSN, you're better off not releasing it at all."

http://www.gameplayer.com.au/gp_documents/PSNStruggle.aspx?Page=2

MrVertigo

So what this means is that there is more incentive for publishers to put downloadable games on xbla.

[QUOTE="MrVertigo"]

I don't usually start topics, but I just want to know if the PS3 userbase agrees with this topic. If this has posted before I appologise in advance. I took a paragraph from a topic discussing one of the reasonswhy PSN network is having trouble.I included the link below as reference.

"Critically, however, it is the price Sony puts on the download of products from their Network which is the root of the concern. We the consumer may get our PSN for free, but that's because the bill is footed by the publishers with Sony issuing a fee on every download made through the service. This includes things like demos and when you're talking hundreds of thousands of downloads it begins to cost a package. We've even been told by one developer who wished to stay anonymous that if you know your demo is going to go gangbusters as DLC on the PSN, you're better off not releasing it at all."

http://www.gameplayer.com.au/gp_documents/PSNStruggle.aspx?Page=2

Jrfanfreak88

Yes its true, although fanboys dont see it as a problem. They seem to think "as long as its free for me, im cool" but that same attitude is why there is so much more content on XBL as opposed to PSN, and why XBL gets most of the stuff first, so it can help pay for the PSN release. Publishers have to pay 16 cent per gig downloaded on PSN. There is no charge on XBL because the membership fees subsidize it.navyguy21

xbl makes you pay for downloadable context as well as online.

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]Yes its true, although fanboys dont see it as a problem. They seem to think "as long as its free for me, im cool" but that same attitude is why there is so much more content on XBL as opposed to PSN, and why XBL gets most of the stuff first, so it can help pay for the PSN release. Publishers have to pay 16 cent per gig downloaded on PSN. There is no charge on XBL because the membership fees subsidize it.navyguy21

xbl makes you pay for downloadable context as well as online.

So what this means is that there is more incentive for publishers to put downloadable games on xbla.

2-10-08

I believe its true, there were several long threads on the board about it when Sony implemented it some time last year.

[QUOTE="2-10-08"]

So what this means is that there is more incentive for publishers to put downloadable games on xbla.

SilverChimera

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="2-10-08"]

So what this means is that there is more incentive for publishers to put downloadable games on xbla.

jasong1011

So what as long as Iam not paying for anything iam the winner Demo = Advertisment for the game and the publisher have to pay if he wants to advertise his game but in XBL consumers pay to get Demos its like forcing advertisments on people and making them pay for it.

So what as long as Iam not paying for anything iam the winner Demo = Advertisment for the game and the publisher have to pay if he wants to advertise his game but in XBL consumers pay to get Demos its like forcing advertisments on people and making them pay for it.

Kashiwaba

Yes its true, although fanboys dont see it as a problem. They seem to think "as long as its free for me, im cool" but that same attitude is why there is so much more content on XBL as opposed to PSN, and why XBL gets most of the stuff first, so it can help pay for the PSN release. Publishers have to pay 16 cent per gig downloaded on PSN. There is no charge on XBL because the membership fees subsidize it.navyguy21

Supposedly developers pay like $16 per gb they upload when it comes to the PSN.

We as the consumers are not charged for most demos, and we aren't charged for anything that is usuallly free on XBL's Arcade.

I didn't know this. Good find, TC.;) This should raise more awareness as to where sony gets their revenue for psn. But PSN's not the only free service. How does Nintendo keep online free? And what about PC?NYrockinlegend

Are you series? Nintendo hasn't lowered the price of their Wii since release, they have to be making loads of profit which would compensate the debt created by offering free online.

[QUOTE="NYrockinlegend"]I didn't know this. Good find, TC.;) This should raise more awareness as to where sony gets their revenue for psn. But PSN's not the only free service. How does Nintendo keep online free?And what about PC?verbtex

Are you series? Nintendo hasn't lowered the price of their Wii since release, they have to be making loads of profit which would compensate the debt created by offering free online.

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]Yes its true, although fanboys dont see it as a problem. They seem to think "as long as its free for me, im cool" but that same attitude is why there is so much more content on XBL as opposed to PSN, and why XBL gets most of the stuff first, so it can help pay for the PSN release. Publishers have to pay 16 cent per gig downloaded on PSN. There is no charge on XBL because the membership fees subsidize it.navyguy21

xbl makes you pay for downloadable context as well as online.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]Yes its true, although fanboys dont see it as a problem. They seem to think "as long as its free for me, im cool" but that same attitude is why there is so much more content on XBL as opposed to PSN, and why XBL gets most of the stuff first, so it can help pay for the PSN release. Publishers have to pay 16 cent per gig downloaded on PSN. There is no charge on XBL because the membership fees subsidize it.tok1879

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]Yes its true, although fanboys dont see it as a problem. They seem to think "as long as its free for me, im cool" but that same attitude is why there is so much more content on XBL as opposed to PSN, and why XBL gets most of the stuff first, so it can help pay for the PSN release. Publishers have to pay 16 cent per gig downloaded on PSN. There is no charge on XBL because the membership fees subsidize it.navyguy21

I dunno but at least we as the consumer doesn't feel the cost for it :D

Espada12

I already knew. There was a similar thead on this topic. Anyway, I'm no developer so it's not of a concern to me as a consumer.

It's for the first 60 days, then it's free from then on, I read about this recently can't remember the exact fee per gigabyte downloaded, but I think it said re5 demo costed over 200,000 to put on PSN, the fee goes to publishers, not the devs.

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]1year before PSN, and thats still not accurate. Live today is not the same Live of last gen. And when PSN lauched, it already had content, albeit in a different format (browser based). So at the most you have is a year earlier argument, which STILL doesnt compensate for the difference in content on Live vs PSN. PSN is not a bad service at all, im just saying.navyguy21

So what this means is that there is more incentive for publishers to put downloadable games on xbla.

2-10-08

So what this means is that there is more incentive for publishers to put downloadable games on xbla.

Sony charges for demos?

Dude a demo is advertisement for the game the devs made. If they put a commercial on TV you don't think they have to pay for that time slot and how many times it runs on such and such channel? The difference is really with xbla where you the consumer pay for the devs to advertise their game. Also if a game sucks then there prolly want be many downloads, but if the game is great there will be downloads and sales at retail that will repay what a devs pays out to advertise their game on psn with a demo. Its not a hard concept to figure out, but I guess it is hard when people thinks its ok to be billed for a company to advertise to you instead of that company to pay themselves for advertisements lol.GreyFoXX4

Hopefully you don't own GT5P

EDIT: Also the Consumer doesnt have to pay for Demo's on Live they are free to anyone who has a silver account.

Sony charges for demos?

Trmpt

yes demos are hard to come by on psn while xbox has demos for all of their xbla games

[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] Dude a demo is advertisement for the game the devs made. If they put a commercial on TV you don't think they have to pay for that time slot and how many times it runs on such and such channel? The difference is really with xbla where you the consumer pay for the devs to advertise their game. Also if a game sucks then there prolly want be many downloads, but if the game is great there will be downloads and sales at retail that will repay what a devs pays out to advertise their game on psn with a demo. Its not a hard concept to figure out, but I guess it is hard when people thinks its ok to be billed for a company to advertise to you instead of that company to pay themselves for advertisements lol.opex07

yes demos are hard to come by on psn while xbox has demos for all of their xbla games

_SWAG_

[QUOTE="opex07"][QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] Dude a demo is advertisement for the game the devs made. If they put a commercial on TV you don't think they have to pay for that time slot and how many times it runs on such and such channel? The difference is really with xbla where you the consumer pay for the devs to advertise their game. Also if a game sucks then there prolly want be many downloads, but if the game is great there will be downloads and sales at retail that will repay what a devs pays out to advertise their game on psn with a demo. Its not a hard concept to figure out, but I guess it is hard when people thinks its ok to be billed for a company to advertise to you instead of that company to pay themselves for advertisements lol.GreyFoXX4

The only game out of this entire gen that I've purchased and feel like it was a waste of money was Cod:waw, so its all a matter of tastes and needs and I didn't need WaW or really want it. Dang friends can help you make some bad purchase descions lol.

purchasing GT5P is a contradiction your hole post, while I admit that GT5P has more content than most, if all, demo's its still essentially a demo, a product that was designed to showcase the full game, and doesn't have its own unique content. You may argue that its worth it because you have spent so much time playing it, but this is also the case with many other demo's available especially those that have multiplayer, people will regulary play them, Example: the Shadowrun demo available on live is still regularly played by people even several years after its release.

[QUOTE="_SWAG_"]

yes demos are hard to come by on psn while xbox has demos for all of their xbla games

GreyFoXX4

The fee is $0.16 per gb, and yeah, I imagine a fee on the developers has an effect, but new demos still pop up every week. Apparently there are developers that believe the advertising is worth the cost. I know I'd prefer they pay for advertising than having me pay to look at it.

someones got to pay for it. As long as it's not the consumers and imo there's more than enough games on psn and indie devs have no problem putting there games on psn because sony matches the development costs of the game and if an indie developer makes enough money off a game to release a new one well then you have a new popular franchise. So basically the cluttered amount of poor quality games are filtered out of the psn while on xbl they have numerous unpopular games that may not make enough money to even cover development costs. I'm not saying xbl has bad dlc but it has the quantity over quality characteristic that makes more of a quick buck.

I do agree however that dlc on psn is overpriced i mean $10 for two cod4 maps c'mon.