PS3 vs. 360

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

Why is a wireless router needed? I don't have one. Why is an HD DVD player needed? I don't have one. :|

I don't understand why people always do this...

Why is a wireless router needed? I don't have one. Why is an HD DVD player needed? I don't have one. :|

I don't understand why people always do this...

Impex

Never said it was needed. But to get all the perks that the PS3 gives you out of the box that is all the stuff you have to do and prices.

Why is a wireless router needed? I don't have one. Why is an HD DVD player needed? I don't have one. :|

I don't understand why people always do this...

Impex

well even if you don't addthose itemsthen the system plus X-live=$400...sothen there even.

Why is a wireless router needed? I don't have one. Why is an HD DVD player needed? I don't have one. :|

I don't understand why people always do this...

Impex

and the reason why you dont have those things is because you dont have a PS3.

Haha! HD-DVD add-on is completely unecessary as is the blu-ray. and if you can' t even pay 50 dollars per year...wow...even i can get that much from working 6 hours.dkhw

It's not the $50 a year, but the principle. You are paying for nothing. If they used dedicated servers I would be all over that.

in game messaging, chat, custom soundtracks, all games at 1080p, impossible on ps3 just a few of the things the ps3 can't do. at any price point, the fact that some games don't even support a mic.

[QUOTE="dkhw"]Haha! HD-DVD add-on is completely unecessary as is the blu-ray. and if you can' t even pay 50 dollars per year...wow...even i can get that much from working 6 hours.Chutebox

It's not the $50 a year, but the principle. You are paying for nothing. If they used dedicated servers I would be all over that.

It's true you are paying for nothing but for the profit of Microsoft, but its interface is nice, much better than PSN which only has a dedicated server for like two games.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="dkhw"]Haha! HD-DVD add-on is completely unecessary as is the blu-ray. and if you can' t even pay 50 dollars per year...wow...even i can get that much from working 6 hours.dkhw

It's not the $50 a year, but the principle. You are paying for nothing. If they used dedicated servers I would be all over that.

It's true you are paying for nothing but for the profit of Microsoft, but its interface is nice, much better than PSN which only has a dedicated server for like two games.

Both interface were fine with me. It's just if Sony ever charged for online and didn't have dedicated servers for every game, I wouldn't give them a dime either.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="dkhw"]Haha! HD-DVD add-on is completely unecessary as is the blu-ray. and if you can' t even pay 50 dollars per year...wow...even i can get that much from working 6 hours.dkhw

It's not the $50 a year, but the principle. You are paying for nothing. If they used dedicated servers I would be all over that.

It's true you are paying for nothing but for the profit of Microsoft, but its interface is nice, much better than PSN which only has a dedicated server for like two games.

i can find what i want so it doesn't bother me any. and out of all the games i played online (COD4, Motorstorm, R6V, resistance) i never had even a hint of lag

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

Lakers8342011

With 349$ i get xbox360 PREMIUM, with full BC and like 200 games from xbox in full HD looking new, best games this gen so far (Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3), 2 free games inside

From a GAMER perspective sounds like a 10000000x times better deal to me, than 400$ (50$ more) for a chopped machine without ANY PS2 game for it, making your old collection obsolete, no free games too

[QUOTE="Lakers8342011"]

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

saolin323

With 349$ i get xbox360 PREMIUM, with full BC and like 200 games from xbox in full HD looking new, best games this gen so far (Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3), 2 free games inside

From a GAMER perspective sounds like a 10000000x times better deal to me, than 400$ (50$ more) for a chopped machine without ANY PS2 game for it, making your old collection obsolete, no free games too

360 isn't full BC. Would be surprised if 360 has 200 games in actual HD. And full HD is much different than HD, they have like 2 games or something low in full HD, if any at all.

[QUOTE="Lakers8342011"]

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

saolin323

With 349$ i get xbox360 PREMIUM, with full BC and like 200 games from xbox in full HD looking new, best games this gen so far (Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3), 2 free games inside

From a GAMER perspective sounds like a 10000000x times better deal to me, than 400$ (50$ more) for a chopped machine without ANY PS2 game for it, making your old collection obsolete, no free games too

i'm assuming BC means backwards compatible, if so then its not full BC only like 300 games. and just because you buy a ps3 doesn't mean you have to get rid of your ps2.

[QUOTE="Impex"]

Why is a wireless router needed? I don't have one. Why is an HD DVD player needed? I don't have one. :|

I don't understand why people always do this...

Lakers8342011

Never said it was needed. But to get all the perks that the PS3 gives you out of the box that is all the stuff you have to do and prices.

Well then, thank god I don't have to follow the rules of your fake scenario. No one does. And few here spent only $400 on their PS3.

[QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="Lakers8342011"]

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

Chutebox

With 349$ i get xbox360 PREMIUM, with full BC and like 200 games from xbox in full HD looking new, best games this gen so far (Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3), 2 free games inside

From a GAMER perspective sounds like a 10000000x times better deal to me, than 400$ (50$ more) for a chopped machine without ANY PS2 game for it, making your old collection obsolete, no free games too

360 isn't full BC. Would be surprised if 360 has 200 games in actual HD. And full HD is much different than HD, they have like 2 games or something low in full HD, if any at all.

What exactly is "full HD?"

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="Lakers8342011"]

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

dsmccracken

With 349$ i get xbox360 PREMIUM, with full BC and like 200 games from xbox in full HD looking new, best games this gen so far (Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3), 2 free games inside

From a GAMER perspective sounds like a 10000000x times better deal to me, than 400$ (50$ more) for a chopped machine without ANY PS2 game for it, making your old collection obsolete, no free games too

360 isn't full BC. Would be surprised if 360 has 200 games in actual HD. And full HD is much different than HD, they have like 2 games or something low in full HD, if any at all.

What exactly is "full HD?"

native 1080p.

[QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="Lakers8342011"]

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

Chutebox

With 349$ i get xbox360 PREMIUM, with full BC and like 200 games from xbox in full HD looking new, best games this gen so far (Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3), 2 free games inside

From a GAMER perspective sounds like a 10000000x times better deal to me, than 400$ (50$ more) for a chopped machine without ANY PS2 game for it, making your old collection obsolete, no free games too

360 isn't full BC. Would be surprised if 360 has 200 games in actual HD. And full HD is much different than HD, they have like 2 games or something low in full HD, if any at all.

in game messaging, chat, custom soundtracks, all games at 1080p, impossible on ps3 just a few of the things the ps3 can't do. at any price point, the fact that some games don't even support a mic.

[QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="Lakers8342011"]

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

Gunblade20

With 349$ i get xbox360 PREMIUM, with full BC and like 200 games from xbox in full HD looking new, best games this gen so far (Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3), 2 free games inside

From a GAMER perspective sounds like a 10000000x times better deal to me, than 400$ (50$ more) for a chopped machine without ANY PS2 game for it, making your old collection obsolete, no free games too

i'm assuming BC means backwards compatible, if so then its not full BC only like 300 games. and just because you buy a ps3 doesn't mean you have to get rid of your ps2.

Comapring to PS2 40GB model, it INFINITLY better, because something is better than nothing

Also in those 300 games are the 20 games i wanted to have in HD from xbox era, and played them all, hada blast too, since they looked like new games in HD with extra AA and filtering in textures, just the best BC ever for me

[QUOTE="Lakers8342011"][QUOTE="Impex"]

Why is a wireless router needed? I don't have one. Why is an HD DVD player needed? I don't have one. :|

I don't understand why people always do this...

dsmccracken

Never said it was needed. But to get all the perks that the PS3 gives you out of the box that is all the stuff you have to do and prices.

Well then, thank god I don't have to follow the rules of your fake scenario. No one does. And few here spent only $400 on their PS3.

it still doesn't change the fact that it's more expensive than the PS3

How many full hd ps3 games do you own. I thaught so any how wheres an answer to this

in game messaging, chat, custom soundtracks, all games at 1080p, impossible on ps3 just a few of the things the ps3 can't do. at any price point, the fact that some games don't even support a mic.

carsales

I own 2 PS3 games so far, and about 35 xbox 360 games, also i own 10 PS2 games i wanted to play in HD, and 20 xbox games i PLAYED in HD

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="Lakers8342011"]

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

carsales

With 349$ i get xbox360 PREMIUM, with full BC and like 200 games from xbox in full HD looking new, best games this gen so far (Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3), 2 free games inside

From a GAMER perspective sounds like a 10000000x times better deal to me, than 400$ (50$ more) for a chopped machine without ANY PS2 game for it, making your old collection obsolete, no free games too

360 isn't full BC. Would be surprised if 360 has 200 games in actual HD. And full HD is much different than HD, they have like 2 games or something low in full HD, if any at all.

in game messaging, chat, custom soundtracks, all games at 1080p, impossible on ps3 just a few of the things the ps3 can't do. at any price point, the fact that some games don't even support a mic.

What the hell does this have to do with anything? Am I claiming I have any Ps3 games in full HD? No you say? Man, getting so freaking defensive, grow up kid.

And I couldn't care less about the rest of the stuff you wrote. I'll take native resolution over upscaled any day.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Lakers8342011"][QUOTE="Impex"]

Why is a wireless router needed? I don't have one. Why is an HD DVD player needed? I don't have one. :|

I don't understand why people always do this...

dkhw

Never said it was needed. But to get all the perks that the PS3 gives you out of the box that is all the stuff you have to do and prices.

Well then, thank god I don't have to follow the rules of your fake scenario. No one does. And few here spent only $400 on their PS3.

it still doesn't change the fact that it's more expensive than the PS3

[QUOTE="carsales"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="Lakers8342011"]

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

Chutebox

With 349$ i get xbox360 PREMIUM, with full BC and like 200 games from xbox in full HD looking new, best games this gen so far (Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3), 2 free games inside

From a GAMER perspective sounds like a 10000000x times better deal to me, than 400$ (50$ more) for a chopped machine without ANY PS2 game for it, making your old collection obsolete, no free games too

360 isn't full BC. Would be surprised if 360 has 200 games in actual HD. And full HD is much different than HD, they have like 2 games or something low in full HD, if any at all.

in game messaging, chat, custom soundtracks, all games at 1080p, impossible on ps3 just a few of the things the ps3 can't do. at any price point, the fact that some games don't even support a mic.

What the hell does this have to do with anything? Am I claiming I have any Ps3 games in full HD? No you say? Man, getting so freaking defensive, grow up kid.

And I couldn't care less about the rest of the stuff you wrote. I'll take native resolution over upscaled any day.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="Lakers8342011"]

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

Chutebox

With 349$ i get xbox360 PREMIUM, with full BC and like 200 games from xbox in full HD looking new, best games this gen so far (Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3), 2 free games inside

From a GAMER perspective sounds like a 10000000x times better deal to me, than 400$ (50$ more) for a chopped machine without ANY PS2 game for it, making your old collection obsolete, no free games too

360 isn't full BC. Would be surprised if 360 has 200 games in actual HD. And full HD is much different than HD, they have like 2 games or something low in full HD, if any at all.

What exactly is "full HD?"

native 1080p.

So if I google "full HD," I'll get back native 1080p? I think not. That's not a real term. 720p is fully HD, by any proper definition.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Lakers8342011"][QUOTE="Impex"]

Why is a wireless router needed? I don't have one. Why is an HD DVD player needed? I don't have one. :|

I don't understand why people always do this...

dkhw

Never said it was needed. But to get all the perks that the PS3 gives you out of the box that is all the stuff you have to do and prices.

Well then, thank god I don't have to follow the rules of your fake scenario. No one does. And few here spent only $400 on their PS3.

it still doesn't change the fact that it's more expensive than the PS3

It also doesn't change the fact that that fact is small consolation for most of the people reading what you are typing, probably including yourself. And the 360 is not more expensive, only your made-up scenario is. BTW, a PS3 + a new Corvette is more expensive than a 360, but you get a frickin' Corvette with it!

So if I google "full HD," I'll get back native 1080p? I think not. That's not a real term. 720p is fully HD, by any proper definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p

Come again?

[QUOTE="carsales"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="Lakers8342011"]

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

Chutebox

With 349$ i get xbox360 PREMIUM, with full BC and like 200 games from xbox in full HD looking new, best games this gen so far (Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3), 2 free games inside

From a GAMER perspective sounds like a 10000000x times better deal to me, than 400$ (50$ more) for a chopped machine without ANY PS2 game for it, making your old collection obsolete, no free games too

360 isn't full BC. Would be surprised if 360 has 200 games in actual HD. And full HD is much different than HD, they have like 2 games or something low in full HD, if any at all.

in game messaging, chat, custom soundtracks, all games at 1080p, impossible on ps3 just a few of the things the ps3 can't do. at any price point, the fact that some games don't even support a mic.

What the hell does this have to do with anything? Am I claiming I have any Ps3 games in full HD? No you say? Man, getting so freaking defensive, grow up kid.

And I couldn't care less about the rest of the stuff you wrote. I'll take native resolution over upscaled any day.

So you don't own one, but IF you did, you would take it over something that is upscaled. If you did. Why are you talking about this again?

What the hell does this have to do with anything? Am I claiming I have any Ps3 games in full HD? No you say? Man, getting so freaking defensive, grow up kid.

And I couldn't care less about the rest of the stuff you wrote. I'll take native resolution over upscaled any day.

I answered the dudes question and corrected his mistakes. Moving on...

So if I google "full HD," I'll get back native 1080p? I think not. That's not a real term. 720p is fully HD, by any proper definition.

Chutebox

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p

Come again?

What am I supposed to be reading here? That 1080p is HD? that I knew. That it is higher resolution than 480p/720p/1080i? Knew that too. Where in your Wiki article does it compare 1080p to 720p and call 1080p "full HD", as opposed to the not quite fully HD 720p? Come again?

What the hell does this have to do with anything? Am I claiming I have any Ps3 games in full HD? No you say? Man, getting so freaking defensive, grow up kid.

And I couldn't care less about the rest of the stuff you wrote. I'll take native resolution over upscaled any day.

Chutebox

I answered the dudes question and corrected his mistakes. Moving on...

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

So if I google "full HD," I'll get back native 1080p? I think not. That's not a real term. 720p is fully HD, by any proper definition.

dsmccracken

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p

Come again?

What am I supposed to be reading here? That 1080p is HD? that I knew. That it is higher resolution than 480p/720p/1080i? Knew that too. Where in your Wiki article does it compare 1080p to 720p and call 1080p "full HD", as opposed to the not quite fully HD 720p? Come again?

1080p = full HD

720p = HD

There is a difference, that is all.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

What the hell does this have to do with anything? Am I claiming I have any Ps3 games in full HD? No you say? Man, getting so freaking defensive, grow up kid.

And I couldn't care less about the rest of the stuff you wrote. I'll take native resolution over upscaled any day.

carsales

I answered the dudes question and corrected his mistakes. Moving on...

upscaled 1080p...My God, it's like talking to a wall. Nevermind, go on believing you are playing 1080p games.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

So if I google "full HD," I'll get back native 1080p? I think not. That's not a real term. 720p is fully HD, by any proper definition.

Chutebox

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p

Come again?

What am I supposed to be reading here? That 1080p is HD? that I knew. That it is higher resolution than 480p/720p/1080i? Knew that too. Where in your Wiki article does it compare 1080p to 720p and call 1080p "full HD", as opposed to the not quite fully HD 720p? Come again?

1080p = full HD

720p = HD

There is a difference, that is all.

So you don't want to quote from the Wiki article you yourself quoted? Funny, that. Let me: "1080p is sometimes referred to in marketing materials as "Full High-Definition". Marketing Materials!!! Youare using marketing terminology, not something actual tech people would say. the full HD term is a SALES TOOL used to push the newer and more expensive units, and to get existing owners to upgrade! You won't find Wiki or anywhere else actually making the case that 720p or 1080i is NOT fully HD, because it's absurd. 1080p is higher res, but not "full" or "true" HD. Way to bring marketing hype and try to pass it off as an argument.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

So if I google "full HD," I'll get back native 1080p? I think not. That's not a real term. 720p is fully HD, by any proper definition.

dsmccracken

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p

Come again?

What am I supposed to be reading here? That 1080p is HD? that I knew. That it is higher resolution than 480p/720p/1080i? Knew that too. Where in your Wiki article does it compare 1080p to 720p and call 1080p "full HD", as opposed to the not quite fully HD 720p? Come again?

1080p = full HD

720p = HD

There is a difference, that is all.

So you don't want to quote from the Wiki article you yourself quoted? Funny, that. Let me: "1080p is sometimes referred to in marketing materials as "Full High-Definition". Marketing Materials!!! Youare using marketing terminology, not something actual tech people would say. the full HD term is a SALES TOOL used to push the newer and more expensive units, and to get existing owners to upgrade! You won't find Wiki or anywhere else actually making the case that 720p or 1080i is NOT fully HD, because it's absurd. 1080p is higher res, but not "full" or "true" HD. Way to bring marketing hype and try to pass it off as an argument.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/blog/2007/08/22/what-is-full-hd/

Bottom line: Full HD means a television whose native resolution is 1080p.(taken from that site)

If you go to sites or forums that talk about hdtv, they know and say that true HD = 1080p

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

So if I google "full HD," I'll get back native 1080p? I think not. That's not a real term. 720p is fully HD, by any proper definition.

Chutebox

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p

Come again?

What am I supposed to be reading here? That 1080p is HD? that I knew. That it is higher resolution than 480p/720p/1080i? Knew that too. Where in your Wiki article does it compare 1080p to 720p and call 1080p "full HD", as opposed to the not quite fully HD 720p? Come again?

1080p = full HD

720p = HD

There is a difference, that is all.

So you don't want to quote from the Wiki article you yourself quoted? Funny, that. Let me: "1080p is sometimes referred to in marketing materials as "Full High-Definition". Marketing Materials!!! Youare using marketing terminology, not something actual tech people would say. the full HD term is a SALES TOOL used to push the newer and more expensive units, and to get existing owners to upgrade! You won't find Wiki or anywhere else actually making the case that 720p or 1080i is NOT fully HD, because it's absurd. 1080p is higher res, but not "full" or "true" HD. Way to bring marketing hype and try to pass it off as an argument.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/blog/2007/08/22/what-is-full-hd/

So you've given me ANOTHER link, this one explaining at length that "Full HD" is a marketing catchphrase and not a meaningful tech term beyond the fact that it has higher res than 720p? Weird.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

So if I google "full HD," I'll get back native 1080p? I think not. That's not a real term. 720p is fully HD, by any proper definition.

Chutebox

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p

Come again?

What am I supposed to be reading here? That 1080p is HD? that I knew. That it is higher resolution than 480p/720p/1080i? Knew that too. Where in your Wiki article does it compare 1080p to 720p and call 1080p "full HD", as opposed to the not quite fully HD 720p? Come again?

1080p = full HD

720p = HD

There is a difference, that is all.

So you don't want to quote from the Wiki article you yourself quoted? Funny, that. Let me: "1080p is sometimes referred to in marketing materials as "Full High-Definition". Marketing Materials!!! Youare using marketing terminology, not something actual tech people would say. the full HD term is a SALES TOOL used to push the newer and more expensive units, and to get existing owners to upgrade! You won't find Wiki or anywhere else actually making the case that 720p or 1080i is NOT fully HD, because it's absurd. 1080p is higher res, but not "full" or "true" HD. Way to bring marketing hype and try to pass it off as an argument.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/blog/2007/08/22/what-is-full-hd/

Bottom line: Full HD means a television whose native resolution is 1080p.(taken from that site)

If you go to sites or forums that talk about hdtv, they know and say that true HD = 1080p

It's a marketing catchphrase, pure and simple. If Hagendaas starts saying that it's product is "True Ice Cream", does that mean that Ben & Jerrys are now making something less than true ice cream?

It's a marketing catchphrase, pure and simple. If Hagendaas starts saying that it's product is "True Ice Cream", does that mean that Ben & Jerrys are now making something less than true ice cream?

You're comparing brands to resolution. It's different, I see what you're trying to do, but this example is not a good one. Every brand of tv makes True HD, so this example is invalid.

Bottom line is this, everyone who knows about HDTV knows that truehd is 1080p, whether it's marketing or not does not matter.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

What am I supposed to be reading here? That 1080p is HD? that I knew. That it is higher resolution than 480p/720p/1080i? Knew that too. Where in your Wiki article does it compare 1080p to 720p and call 1080p "full HD", as opposed to the not quite fully HD 720p? Come again?

Chutebox

1080p = full HD

720p = HD

There is a difference, that is all.

So you don't want to quote from the Wiki article you yourself quoted? Funny, that. Let me: "1080p is sometimes referred to in marketing materials as "Full High-Definition". Marketing Materials!!! Youare using marketing terminology, not something actual tech people would say. the full HD term is a SALES TOOL used to push the newer and more expensive units, and to get existing owners to upgrade! You won't find Wiki or anywhere else actually making the case that 720p or 1080i is NOT fully HD, because it's absurd. 1080p is higher res, but not "full" or "true" HD. Way to bring marketing hype and try to pass it off as an argument.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/blog/2007/08/22/what-is-full-hd/

Bottom line: Full HD means a television whose native resolution is 1080p.(taken from that site)

If you go to sites or forums that talk about hdtv, they know and say that true HD = 1080p

It's a marketing catchphrase, pure and simple. If Hagendaas starts saying that it's product is "True Ice Cream", does that mean that Ben & Jerrys are now making something less than true ice cream?

You're comparing brands to resolution. It's different, I see what you're trying to do, but this example is not a good one. Every brand of tv makes True HD, so this example is invalid.

Bottom line is this, everyone who knows about HDTV knows that truehd is 1080p, whether it's marketing or not does not matter.

Maybe the ice cream example is poor. How about a new lineup of laser printers that are 15% faster (made by all the companies) that attaches a nonsense marketing moniker like... oh, I dunno, "True Laser" printer, implying that all other laser printers are somehow not really laser printers, not really. Is that better? I think it does matter. It matters because you are not saying 1080p, you are purposely typing "full HD", perpetuating the deliberate false imagery that anything else is not really, truly HD, which is nonsense.

I said 720p is HD. TrueHD, I think you said it also, is basically saying it's better than 720p, which it is. That's all, but this term is used by everyone. Not just people selling products.

And yes, the printer was a much better example lol.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

What am I supposed to be reading here? That 1080p is HD? that I knew. That it is higher resolution than 480p/720p/1080i? Knew that too. Where in your Wiki article does it compare 1080p to 720p and call 1080p "full HD", as opposed to the not quite fully HD 720p? Come again?

dsmccracken

1080p = full HD

720p = HD

There is a difference, that is all.

So you don't want to quote from the Wiki article you yourself quoted? Funny, that. Let me: "1080p is sometimes referred to in marketing materials as "Full High-Definition". Marketing Materials!!! Youare using marketing terminology, not something actual tech people would say. the full HD term is a SALES TOOL used to push the newer and more expensive units, and to get existing owners to upgrade! You won't find Wiki or anywhere else actually making the case that 720p or 1080i is NOT fully HD, because it's absurd. 1080p is higher res, but not "full" or "true" HD. Way to bring marketing hype and try to pass it off as an argument.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/blog/2007/08/22/what-is-full-hd/

Bottom line: Full HD means a television whose native resolution is 1080p.(taken from that site)

If you go to sites or forums that talk about hdtv, they know and say that true HD = 1080p

It's a marketing catchphrase, pure and simple. If Hagendaas starts saying that it's product is "True Ice Cream", does that mean that Ben & Jerrys are now making something less than true ice cream?

You're comparing brands to resolution. It's different, I see what you're trying to do, but this example is not a good one. Every brand of tv makes True HD, so this example is invalid.

Bottom line is this, everyone who knows about HDTV knows that truehd is 1080p, whether it's marketing or not does not matter.

Maybe the ice cream example is poor. How about a new lineup of laser printers that are 15% faster (made by all the companies) that attaches a nonsense marketing moniker like... oh, I dunno, "True Laser" printer, implying that all other laser printers are somehow not really laser printers, not really. Is that better? I think it does matter. It matters because you are not saying 1080p, you are purposely typing "full HD", perpetuating the deliberate false imagery that anything else is not really, truly HD, which is nonsense.

yo just accept it! your wrong,

1080p is full HD

becuase it is the higest resolution with progressive scan for HDTVs now, and will be for many years

720p is HD, but its the smallest HD resolution with progressive scan

1080i is HD but its interlaced not progressive, (doesnt look good with fast moving images)

So 1080p is again FULL HD highest res with progressive scan

its not like someone is going to come out with a higher reslution like 1440p and say "fullest HD" there is no point the tv would have to be 100+ inches to even notice the difference. next gen will most likely be "3D HD"

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

Lakers8342011

What does price matter? When you have a console that sucks soooo bad like the PS3, price really doesn't come into it.

[QUOTE="Lakers8342011"]

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

angryfodder

What does price matter? When you have a console that sucks soooo bad like the PS3, price really doesn't come into it.

Another priceless peptalk from a fanboy. If you want to send a personalized peptalk to your fellow fanboys. Go to. fanboy.com/peptalk

[QUOTE="angryfodder"][QUOTE="Lakers8342011"]

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

dkhw

What does price matter? When you have a console that sucks soooo bad like the PS3, price really doesn't come into it.

Another priceless peptalk from a fanboy. If you want to send a personalized peptalk to your fellow fanboys. Go to. fanboy.com/peptalk

Checkout my blog and my console line up - I am no fanboy of any system. I have a PS1, PS2 nad hell, I got my PSP when I was on holiday - 3 months before it was released in my country.

I still have some high hopes that the PS3 will get some good games...but at the moment the console sucks - it sucks soo much that "The PS3 sucks" is closer to a fact, than it is to anopinion.

[QUOTE="dkhw"][QUOTE="angryfodder"][QUOTE="Lakers8342011"]

$375 Pro 360 console, $100 wireless router, $200 HD DVD player, $60 XBOX live gold membership (monthly), $15 chargeable battery pack.

$750 for all that which you get out of the box for the PS3 only $400. And the PS3 has 20 extra GB of hard drive space. And on top of that every year you have to pay $60 more. But the 360 does come with Forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance.

Discuss.

angryfodder

What does price matter? When you have a console that sucks soooo bad like the PS3, price really doesn't come into it.

Another priceless peptalk from a fanboy. If you want to send a personalized peptalk to your fellow fanboys. Go to. fanboy.com/peptalk

Checkout my blog and my console line up - I am no fanboy of any system. I have a PS1, PS2 nad hell, I got my PSP when I was on holiday - 3 months before it was released in my country.

I still have some high hopes that the PS3 will get some good games...but at the moment the console sucks - it sucks soo much that "The PS3 sucks" is closer to a fact, than it is to anopinion.

haha. My bad. You really sounded like a fanboy right there though.

I have to agree with the topic creator. X360 is horribly overpriced now for the technology involved. You get a much more for your money with PS3. You also get reliability, and better 2008 lineup of games, Home, free online play, etc... I honestly don't know why anyone would buy X360 now.EmperorSupreme

You get a blue ray player....that is all

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]I have to agree with the topic creator. X360 is horribly overpriced now for the technology involved. You get a much more for your money with PS3. You also get reliability, and better 2008 lineup of games, Home, free online play, etc... I honestly don't know why anyone would buy X360 now.angryfodder

You get a blue ray player....that is all

Tell that to my PS3 games collection which includes: Rainbow 6:Vegas, Oblivion, Eye of Judgement, Call of Duty4, Motorstorm, F1, Resistance, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Piyotama, Super Stardust, PSN Poker, Blast Factor, Rockband, Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Calling All Cars. I still want, but can't afford Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, and next month Unreal Tournament.

The Blu-rays are sweet too: I own the Mission Impossible collection, Phantom of the Opera, Black Hawk Down and The Pirates of the Carribean series. Still want to get Ratatouille, Cars, and Die Hard.