PS3 vs 360 Graphical comparison, whats the point?

I want to cover a few things here....


If you through every days worth of SW thread you'd probably find at least two dozen threads a day of bickering about graphics

The worst part about it though it mainly consists of these sad comparisons between the PS3 and 360

hundreds of people squabaling over which version of the latest multiplat is the less ugly of the two when there is usually an indiscernable difference between the two, differences hardly worth mentioning!

Yet then you have the PC Versions of the games which you actually don't have to play in that disgusting mud resolution that is 720P, the PC version where you don't have to play with some low level piss poor AA, and on top of that almost always better textures and other goodies.

And I'm just wondering did any of you console gamers ever stop and think that all the time you spend bickering over which ugly low resolution version of Far Cry 2, Dead Space, Mirrors Edge, Fallout 3, Orange Box, COD4, COD:WAW, Unreal Tournament 3, Quake Wars, Bioshock, Gears of War, World in Conflict, Red Alert 3, Supreme Commanderor DIRT just to name a few...


I'm just wondering did you ever wonder if maybe your time would be better spent perhaps making money somehow so you could actually play those games with a decent resolution? I mean since you care about graphics so much obviously whats a few hundred dollars a year to keep a PC up to date and play the games properly. (Lets not forget the framerate issues the consoles also bring ala OrangeBox or the fact that just in general not even mentioning graphics many of these games are far, far, far better on PC ala Quake Wars.)

-It's not the controls (360 remote)
-it can't be the money (all the time you spend on here would easily get you a new PC with some to update yearly with latest and great [ebaying old gpu's,etc] )
-it can't be the learning curve of building/troubleshooting the occasional problem (if you learned to read you can learn to do this easily)
-or even the time (I mean you have so much free time to post here and all..)

And with that said I just want to point out an awesome new toy PC Gamers everywhere will be able to enjoy

Ultra Wide Screen Surround sound gaming, forget whatever new goodies the nextgen consoles get. It's always been PC>>Consoles, but this puts a few billion more > in the middle.

I don't care about playing those games on the PC. I'd rather play them on my XBox 360, in my den, on my 52" Sony 1080p HDTV, with 5.1 Dolby Digital SS. I already have next-gen game and I don't need a uber PC for that. The only PC games I play are Starcraft, WoW, Links, Spore and a few FREE MMORPG shareware games. Hermits need to realize that it not just about the graphics that make the game. It's about the gameplay, the sound, the atmosphere and where you lounge to enjoy your games.

I don't care about playing those games on the PC. I'd rather play them on my XBox 360, in my den, on my 52" Sony 1080p HDTV, with 5.1 Dolby Digital SS. I already have next-gen game and I don't need a uber PC for that. The only PC games I play are Starcraft, WoW, Links, Spore and a few FREE MMORPG shareware games. Hermits need to realize that it not just about the graphics that make the game. It's about the gameplay, the sound, the atmosphere and where you lounge to enjoy your games.

XanderZane

After that laughable post (You really should be embarressed ) You have no right to talk to anyone about understanding. Any PC can be hooked up to your 1080P tv and surround sound system with the right wires...

:lol: honestly why even mention the fact that it's 1080P :lol: you may as well say 720P since thats what your playing 99% of your games at :lol: upscaling ftl :lol:

As a PC gamer first and Console gamer second, there's absolutely no reason to compare graphics between multiplats unless you don't have the other system.

I have Both the 360 and PS3 (along with the Wii) and I have them for their exclusive games, or games that I honestly can't wait to play on PC, such as GTA IV.

The monitor that you posted is fairly lame though. It's a nice marketing tool for Alienware/Dell, but I hardly think that we'll see it on a gamers desk anytime soon. The wife and I already have a tough enough time fitting our 24' Monitors on our 72' desk (game side by side) with my 5.1 surround and her 2.1 system, tablet, scanner etc etc etc.

With that said in the first place, why not just get a 32' Widescreen computer monitor NOW and wall mount it? I've already got 1080p setup for my consoles with a nice surround sound setup. Why stick to small monitors even if they are capable of higher res?

Also, don't forget that the res for that monitor was 2880x900. I'd rather put stock into the 4k HDTV idea first.

[QUOTE="XanderZane"]

I don't care about playing those games on the PC. I'd rather play them on my XBox 360, in my den, on my 52" Sony 1080p HDTV, with 5.1 Dolby Digital SS. I already have next-gen game and I don't need a uber PC for that. The only PC games I play are Starcraft, WoW, Links, Spore and a few FREE MMORPG shareware games. Hermits need to realize that it not just about the graphics that make the game. It's about the gameplay, the sound, the atmosphere and where you lounge to enjoy your games.

zipozal

After that laughable post (You really should be embarressed ) You have no right to talk to anyone about understanding. Any PC can be hooked up to your 1080P tv and surround sound system with the right wires...

:lol: honestly why even mention the fact that it's 1080P :lol: you may as well say 720P since thats what your playing 99% of your games at :lol: upscaling ftl :lol:

I regret entering this thead allready. I shall delete my serious post.

I have to agree with the above post. The setting really matters. When I play a Pc game I feel like I am in an office and its not very comfortable. When I play on a console I play on the couch. Feels more comfortable if you know what I mean.

The above picture of the alienware screen and the whole Pc deal looks to expensive for my taste. How much did that cost? Would my family enjoy watching movies on that? Nope. Did you make extra money while you bickered about PC gaming and graphics when you wrote your post?

Thing is this. Thats your opinion and I respect that, but trying to get people to agree with you is another story. I'm glad you enjoy playing games on your uber whatever puter. So enjoy your games while you are not making money

I want to cover a few things here....


If you through every days worth of SW thread you'd probably find at least two dozen threads a day of bickering about graphics

The worst part about it though it mainly consists of these sad comparisons between the PS3 and 360

hundreds of people squabaling over which version of the latest multiplat is the less ugly of the two when there is usually an indiscernable difference between the two, differences hardly worth mentioning!

Yet then you have the PC Versions of the games which you actually don't have to play in that disgusting mud resolution that is 720P, the PC version where you don't have to play with some low level piss poor AA, and on top of that almost always better textures and other goodies.

And I'm just wondering did any of you console gamers ever stop and think that all the time you spend bickering over which ugly low resolution version of Far Cry 2, Dead Space, Mirrors Edge, Fallout 3, Orange Box, COD4, COD:WAW, Unreal Tournament 3, Quake Wars, Bioshock, Gears of War, World in Conflict, Red Alert 3, Supreme Commanderor DIRT just to name a few...


I'm just wondering did you ever wonder if maybe your time would be better spent perhaps making money somehow so you could actually play those games with a decent resolution? I mean since you care about graphics so much obviously whats a few hundred dollars a year to keep a PC up to date and play the games properly. (Lets not forget the framerate issues the consoles also bring ala OrangeBox or the fact that just in general not even mentioning graphics many of these games are far, far, far better on PC ala Quake Wars.)

-It's not the controls (360 remote)
-it can't be the money (all the time you spend on here would easily get you a new PC with some to update yearly with latest and great [ebaying old gpu's,etc] )
-it can't be the learning curve of building/troubleshooting the occasional problem (if you learned to read you can learn to do this easily)
-or even the time (I mean you have so much free time to post here and all..)

And with that said I just want to point out an awesome new toy PC Gamers everywhere will be able to enjoy

Ultra Wide Screen Surround sound gaming, forget whatever new goodies the nextgen consoles get. It's always been PC>>Consoles, but this puts a few billion more > in the middle.

Now obviously this will cost a small fortune at first, but give it a couple of years. By the time the next gen consoles are out you will probably be able to pick up one of these for a grand and something this niche will never ever be supported by a console, not next gen, not next next gen.

Hell by the time nextgen consoles hit most monitors will have made the coming transition to OLED which would eliminate the seams in these ultra wide monitors (not to mention give them 1million to 1 contrast ratios)zipozal

As a PC gamer first and Console gamer second, there's absolutely no reason to compare graphics between multiplats unless you don't have the other system.

I have Both the 360 and PS3 (along with the Wii) and I have them for their exclusive games, or games that I honestly can't wait to play on PC, such as GTA IV.

The monitor that you posted is fairly lame though. It's a nice marketing tool for Alienware/Dell, but I hardly think that we'll see it on a gamers desk anytime soon. The wife and I already have a tough enough time fitting our 24' Monitors on our 72' desk (game side by side) with my 5.1 surround and her 2.1 system, tablet, scanner etc etc etc.

With that said in the first place, why not just get a 32' Widescreen computer monitor NOW and wall mount it? I've already got 1080p setup for my consoles with a nice surround sound setup. Why stick to small monitors even if they are capable of higher res?

Also, don't forget that the res for that monitor was 2880x900. I'd rather put stock into the 4k HDTV idea first.

Melee_Penguin

That so called small alienware is a 48 incher buddy.....it has far more screen reale state than a 30

[QUOTE="Melee_Penguin"]

As a PC gamer first and Console gamer second, there's absolutely no reason to compare graphics between multiplats unless you don't have the other system.

I have Both the 360 and PS3 (along with the Wii) and I have them for their exclusive games, or games that I honestly can't wait to play on PC, such as GTA IV.

The monitor that you posted is fairly lame though. It's a nice marketing tool for Alienware/Dell, but I hardly think that we'll see it on a gamers desk anytime soon. The wife and I already have a tough enough time fitting our 24' Monitors on our 72' desk (game side by side) with my 5.1 surround and her 2.1 system, tablet, scanner etc etc etc.

With that said in the first place, why not just get a 32' Widescreen computer monitor NOW and wall mount it? I've already got 1080p setup for my consoles with a nice surround sound setup. Why stick to small monitors even if they are capable of higher res?

Also, don't forget that the res for that monitor was 2880x900. I'd rather put stock into the 4k HDTV idea first.

zipozal

That so called small alienware is a 48 incher buddy.....it has far more screen reale state than a 30

Can you tell me how many people choose it over bravia ? Take a second and think what majority of people WANT.NOT JUST YOU !

I have to agree with the above post. The setting really matters. When I play a Pc game I feel like I am in an office and its not very comfortable. When I play on a console I play on the couch. Feels more comfortable if you know what I mean.

The above picture of the alienware screen and the whole Pc deal looks to expensive for my taste. How much did that cost? Would my family enjoy watching movies on that? Nope. Did you make extra money while you bickered about PC gaming and graphics when you wrote your post?

Thing is this. Thats your opinion and I respect that, but trying to get people to agree with you is another story. I'm glad you enjoy playing games on your uber whatever puter. So enjoy your games while you are not making money

gamewhat

This isn't about opinion you and him are making non sensical arguments.

ANYONE can hook a PC up in their living room to there surround sound/big TV and play the game on a 360 remote

I think the topic of this thread was missed by most of you, if you don't care about graphics this thread obviously wasn't intended for you

It's for the people that post within the threads comparing multiplats like deadspace graphically from PS3 to 360

Can you tell me how many people choose it over bravia ? Take a second and think what majority of people WANT.NOT JUST YOU !

lesner87

Why can't you have both? One's for gaming the others for Movies....I didn't say it's for poor people now

[QUOTE="gamewhat"]

I have to agree with the above post. The setting really matters. When I play a Pc game I feel like I am in an office and its not very comfortable. When I play on a console I play on the couch. Feels more comfortable if you know what I mean.

The above picture of the alienware screen and the whole Pc deal looks to expensive for my taste. How much did that cost? Would my family enjoy watching movies on that? Nope. Did you make extra money while you bickered about PC gaming and graphics when you wrote your post?

Thing is this. Thats your opinion and I respect that, but trying to get people to agree with you is another story. I'm glad you enjoy playing games on your uber whatever puter. So enjoy your games while you are not making money

zipozal

This isn't about opinion you and him are making non sensical arguments.

ANYONE can hook a PC up in their living room to there surround sound/big TV and play the game on a 360 remote

so what if you can? people still prefer consoles over PC's

I think the topic of this thread was missed by most of you, if you don't care about graphics this thread obviously wasn't intended for you

It's for the people that post within the threads comparing multiplats like deadspace graphically from PS3 to 360

zipozal

I deleted my post...that's too bad. Think a little and you'll see what the point is.

[QUOTE="gamewhat"]

I have to agree with the above post. The setting really matters. When I play a Pc game I feel like I am in an office and its not very comfortable. When I play on a console I play on the couch. Feels more comfortable if you know what I mean.

The above picture of the alienware screen and the whole Pc deal looks to expensive for my taste. How much did that cost? Would my family enjoy watching movies on that? Nope. Did you make extra money while you bickered about PC gaming and graphics when you wrote your post?

Thing is this. Thats your opinion and I respect that, but trying to get people to agree with you is another story. I'm glad you enjoy playing games on your uber whatever puter. So enjoy your games while you are not making money

zipozal

This isn't about opinion you and him are making non sensical arguments.

ANYONE can hook a PC up in their living room to there surround sound/big TV and play the game on a 360 remote

I think the topic of this thread was missed by most of you, if you don't care about graphics this thread obviously wasn't intended for you

It's for the people that post within the threads comparing multiplats like deadspace graphically from PS3 to 360

But for that he`ill need a good PC too right ? Some wiring and software installation ? And plus a PC looks bad in your living room hooked up to a bravia or something.

Stop comparing them you are failing no one agrees with you.Its ALWAYS about opinions and when it comes to facts.Theres just one SIMPLE fact which is that Consoles are far more cheaper,easy and good to go.Now face that.

:lol: honestly why even mention the fact that it's 1080P :lol: you may as well say 720P since thats what your playing 99% of your games at :lol: upscaling ftl :lol:

zipozal

Most 1080p HDTV sets are vastly superior to 720p sets - unfortunately 720p sets are typically 1366 x 768 - a really odd resolution that results in additional scaling occuring on the set itself, and of course making it impossible to get a 1:1 resolution when hooking up a PC (since all PC custom resolutions must be multiples of eight).

And honestly, what difference does it make? Resolution isn't the only measure of graphical performance. This person obviously has a setup they're happy with, and don't feel any pressing need to wire a PC into the setup, in place of the 360. They're comfortable, satisfied, and happy. That's laughable?

[QUOTE="lesner87"]

Can you tell me how many people choose it over bravia ? Take a second and think what majority of people WANT.NOT JUST YOU !

zipozal

Why can't you have both? One's for gaming the others for Movies....I didn't say it's for poor people now

Buddy who is gonna provied the time and $$ ? Do you have any idea whats an average mans earning and routine in ANY country ?

I think the topic of this thread was missed by most of you, if you don't care about graphics this thread obviously wasn't intended for you

It's for the people that post within the threads comparing multiplats like deadspace graphically from PS3 to 360

zipozal

What buddy are you kidding me ? You are clearly trying to bash the consoles....and trying to prove your PC rite by facts i believe.Now there are TWO types of facts.One which people prefer and one which they dont for example drinking your urine wont kill you right ? Its a fact but do people do that ? Its just a rough example i am not trying to prove anything.I had to add this sentence because of your immature attitude.Now the other fact is that Drinking pepsi or coke is bad for health but people dont really care and drink HELL lot of it.So these are called GROUND REALISTIES.

And when it comes to ground realities of gaming Casuals (majority) prefer CONSOLES.

[QUOTE="zipozal"]

:lol: honestly why even mention the fact that it's 1080P :lol: you may as well say 720P since thats what your playing 99% of your games at :lol: upscaling ftl :lol:

subrosian

Most 1080p HDTV sets are vastly superior to 720p sets - unfortunately 720p sets are typically 1366 x 768 - a really odd resolution that results in additional scaling occuring on the set itself, and of course making it impossible to get a 1:1 resolution when hooking up a PC (since all PC custom resolutions must be multiples of eight).

And honestly, what difference does it make? Resolution isn't the only measure of graphical performance. This person obviously has a setup they're happy with, and don't feel any pressing need to wire a PC into the setup, in place of the 360. They're comfortable, satisfied, and happy. That's laughable?

Good thing mines 1280x720.And for 1080 its 1920x1080.

[QUOTE="zipozal"][QUOTE="lesner87"]

Can you tell me how many people choose it over bravia ? Take a second and think what majority of people WANT.NOT JUST YOU !

lesner87

Why can't you have both? One's for gaming the others for Movies....I didn't say it's for poor people now

Buddy who is gonna provied the time and $$ ? Do you have any idea whats an average mans earning and routine in ANY country ?

It's not really just the pure "money" cost that is the issue, as much as it is a value issue. In a contest between the 52" 1080p set and the curved gaming screen, the 52" set is just useful for more, so wins. Now once you have that big screen HDTV, really, what additional value does the curved screen provide? It's better for gaming, but only slightly, and you already have a good screen for gaming.

The added utility of that second screen (just for gaming) is so small that it will only be worth it to people who are genuinely dedicated to PC-only gaming, loaded, or have a great deal of free time.

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Even people who can afford it may just have no real reason to invest.

Good thing mines 1280x720.And for 1080 its 1920x1080.

lesner87

What do you mean?

If you have a 720p LCD set, there's an extremely good chance you have a 1366 x 768 panel, even if you don't realize it. If you have a 1080p set, then yes, it should be 1920 x 1080. With tech other than LCD, it varies, old plasmas were an offender, using 1024 x 768 "widescreen" panels, and such... was quite odd.

[QUOTE="lesner87"][QUOTE="zipozal"][QUOTE="lesner87"]

Can you tell me how many people choose it over bravia ? Take a second and think what majority of people WANT.NOT JUST YOU !

subrosian

Why can't you have both? One's for gaming the others for Movies....I didn't say it's for poor people now

Buddy who is gonna provied the time and $$ ? Do you have any idea whats an average mans earning and routine in ANY country ?

It's not really just the pure "money" cost that is the issue, as much as it is a value issue. In a contest between the 52" 1080p set and the curved gaming screen, the 52" set is just useful for more, so wins. Now once you have that big screen HDTV, really, what additional value does the curved screen provide? It's better for gaming, but only slightly, and you already have a good screen for gaming.

The added utility of that second screen (just for gaming) is so small that it will only be worth it to people who are genuinely dedicated to PC-only gaming, loaded, or have a great deal of free time.

-

Even people who can afford it may just have no real reason to invest.

Exactly.After you have bought one what is the use of the other screen when this one can be used for gaming,movies....whatever...

[QUOTE="lesner87"]

Good thing mines 1280x720.And for 1080 its 1920x1080.

subrosian

What do you mean?

If you have a 720p LCD set, there's an extremely good chance you have a 1366 x 768 panel, even if you don't realize it. If you have a 1080p set, then yes, it should be 1920 x 1080. With tech other than LCD, it varies, old plasmas were an offender, using 1024 x 768 "widescreen" panels, and such... was quite odd.

I was talking about my LCD monitor.I havent seen whats on the TV but monitor shows 1280x720 on 720p.

[QUOTE="zipozal"][QUOTE="lesner87"]

Can you tell me how many people choose it over bravia ? Take a second and think what majority of people WANT.NOT JUST YOU !

lesner87

Why can't you have both? One's for gaming the others for Movies....I didn't say it's for poor people now

Buddy who is gonna provied the time and $$ ? Do you have any idea whats an average mans earning and routine in ANY country ?

Look at gamespots stats yourself, the overwhelming majority of gamespot posters live in developed western countries, so assuming your not really bad with money and dug yourself into debt or have a low education job you should have more then enough.

At least a third of the posters here should anyway.

More importantly though don't forget this thread is targeting the people who choose to spend their time bickering over the indiscernable differences between the 360/PS3 version of multiplats and if those people really care about graphics that much I'd imagine their in that group with more then enough money.

That so called small alienware is a 48 incher buddy.....it has far more screen reale state than a 30 zipozal

Ok, my 120hz 50+ Living Room LCD is still larger, and available to the average consumer TODAY.

My 50+ DLP was available October 2006 which is now in the den and can be purcahsed by the average consumer TODAY for less than a grand.

The 48 inch PC Monitor with a really GOOFY resolution for a display, that will not be reasonably priced if it was available to the public, along with the FACT that the monitor is not available to the consumers TODAY means what to me? Not to mention the hardware you would need to display that game smoothly at that goofy resolution.

Apologies for not fapping to your monitor as I don't even think it will be realeased to the average consumer. It's a marketing tool pal.

[QUOTE="lesner87"][QUOTE="zipozal"][QUOTE="lesner87"]

Can you tell me how many people choose it over bravia ? Take a second and think what majority of people WANT.NOT JUST YOU !

zipozal

Why can't you have both? One's for gaming the others for Movies....I didn't say it's for poor people now

Buddy who is gonna provied the time and $$ ? Do you have any idea whats an average mans earning and routine in ANY country ?

Look at gamespots stats yourself, the overwhelming majority of gamespot posters live in developed western countries, so assuming your not really bad with money and dug yourself into debt or have a low education job you should have more then enough.

At least a third of the posters here should anyway.

More importantly though don't forget this thread is targeting the people who choose to spend their time bickering over the indiscernable differences between the 360/PS3 version of multiplats and if those people really care about graphics that much I'd imagine their in that group with more then enough money.

Comparing those two platforms if fair enough but comparing a PC with consoles is infair.And PC will never be an option for them because they want ease of consoles not tension of PCs.

And you as usual mis understood my point regarding the LCD.I know people have enough money for buying the two but they wont buy both.Only gaming freaks would do such a thing.People will go for HDTVs anyday over that LCd screen thing you posted.

[QUOTE="XanderZane"]

I don't care about playing those games on the PC. I'd rather play them on my XBox 360, in my den, on my 52" Sony 1080p HDTV, with 5.1 Dolby Digital SS. I already have next-gen game and I don't need a uber PC for that. The only PC games I play are Starcraft, WoW, Links, Spore and a few FREE MMORPG shareware games. Hermits need to realize that it not just about the graphics that make the game. It's about the gameplay, the sound, the atmosphere and where you lounge to enjoy your games.

zipozal

After that laughable post (You really should be embarressed) You have no right to talk to anyone about understanding. Any PC can be hooked up to your 1080P tv and surround sound system with the right wires...

:lol: honestly why even mention the fact that it's 1080P :lol: you may as well say 720P since thats what your playing 99% of your games at :lol: upscaling ftl :lol:

Yes you are the smart one...:roll: You have fun hunching over your keyboard, I'd rather sit comfy and play on the big screen. To each his own. I'll take slightly less resolution over less comfort any day.

TC just wanted a reason to show off his new monitor :lol:

3d graphics design is my career and I occasionally have to do animation as well. I spend most of my days working back and forth between Max 09 and Photoshop CS3. In other words I have a good eye for graphical details. But guess what? When I'm not busy doing that I kick back and play console games on my hdtv! Yes I prefer playing console games, big deal. The majority of the great looking PC games out there that put console graphics to shame happen to be more like playable tech demos than good games with some substance.

You sit here and joke on these fanboys (which I can agree are very silly), but then you come off as a fanboy yourself trying to justify why you think PC gaming is better. You joke on them for arguing about graphics when here you are acting like a little graphics whore yourself.

Comparing those two platforms if fair enough but comparing a PC with consoles is infair.And PC will never be an option for them because they want ease of consoles not tension of PCs.

And you as usual mis understood my point regarding the LCD.I know people have enough money for buying the two but they wont buy both.Only gaming freaks would do such a thing.People will go for HDTVs anyday over that LCd screen thing you posted.

lesner87

Comparing those two is fair enough?? I see your still completely missing my point, though I think your statement says it all about you.

You see nothing wrong with comparing PS3/360 mutliplats despite their being virtually no difference, yet because the PC isn't quite a stupid friendly thats off the table? :lol:

I'm sorry, but as a PC Gamer I fail to see the tension your talking about, sure PC Gaming isn't retard proof you have to be able to do some occasional troubleshooting thats as comparably as simple math especially if you know how to type words into google :lol:

But aside from that PC Gaming is the same thing as far as mutliplats go, just better graphics and more options.

And while lazyness and or a lack of intelligence maybe the reason many don't get into PC Gaming it's definitely a farcry from the only reason, hell not even the main reason which I'd say would be ignorance to exactly what PC Gaming even is. I'd go as far to say a good chunk of the population probably thinks of something along the lines of solitare when they hear the words PC Gaming.

I was talking about my LCD monitor.I havent seen whats on the TV but monitor shows 1280x720 on 720p.

lesner87

Right, that's the definition of 720p (1280 x 720 = 720p) however the actual *panel* itself has a native resolution of 1366 x 768 on most '720p HDTVs'. Computer monitors don't do that, 1080p sets don't do that - it's just one type of LCD panel that was used for the majority of "720p LCD HDTVs".

It's a really odd thing.

TC just wanted a reason to show off his new monitor :lol:

3d graphics design is my career and I occasionally have to do animation as well. I spend most of my days working back and forth between Max 09 and Photoshop CS3. In other words I have a good eye for graphical details. But guess what? When I'm not busy doing that I kick back and play console games on my hdtv! Yes I prefer playing console games, big deal. The majority of the great looking PC games out there that put console graphics to shame happen to be more like playable tech demos than good games with some substance.

You sit here and joke on these fanboys (which I can agree are very silly), but then you come off as a fanboy yourself trying to justify why you think PC gaming is better. You joke on them for arguing about graphics when here you are acting like a little graphics whore yourself.

hhttppp

Are you seeing things or just that dense?

First off, it's funny you poor console gamers refer to games like Crysis as tech demo's when you haven't even played them.

If your going to say things like that maybe you should at least limit it to games that are actually critically recepted as such, Black or Killzone for the PS2 would be excellent examples of that.

This thread was for those graphic whores who bicker over which version of GTA4 has a few less jaggies and what not, if your not one of those people then perhaps you should find something better to do then respond to a thread that wasn't targeted at you..

[QUOTE="lesner87"]

Comparing those two platforms if fair enough but comparing a PC with consoles is infair.And PC will never be an option for them because they want ease of consoles not tension of PCs.

And you as usual mis understood my point regarding the LCD.I know people have enough money for buying the two but they wont buy both.Only gaming freaks would do such a thing.People will go for HDTVs anyday over that LCd screen thing you posted.

zipozal

Comparing those two is fair enough?? I see your still completely missing my point, though I think your statement says it all about you.

You see nothing wrong with comparing PS3/360 mutliplats despite their being virtually no difference, yet because the PC isn't quite a stupid friendly thats off the table? :lol:

I'm sorry, but as a PC Gamer I fail to see the tension your talking about, sure PC Gaming isn't retard proof you have to be able to do some occasional troubleshooting thats as comparably as simple math especially if you know how to type words into google :lol:

But aside from that PC Gaming is the same thing as far as mutliplats go, just better graphics and more options.

And while lazyness and or a lack of intelligence maybe the reason many don't get into PC Gaming it's definitely a farcry from the only reason, hell not even the main reason which I'd say would be ignorance to exactly what PC Gaming even is. I'd go as far to say a good chunk of the population probably thinks of something along the lines of solitare when they hear the words PC Gaming.

So you say that multiplats are always better looking on PC ? Ok did we disagree to that ? NO ! but i say that PS3 and Xbox 360 multiplats offer a FAR FROM UGLY quality to you.Which is,not only good enough to play but also good enough to say WOW ! Just like Oblivion,GTA IV...or any other game.

Now when it comes to overall gameplay i think consoles have the upper hand because of not only good graphics (not the best) but at the same time offering you more than just graphics.Plus exclusivity also counts.Look at the main exclusives,Crysis no doubt has one of the best visuals up to date.Is that going to make it any better from Halo or Metal Gear Solid 4 or GTA IV ? The answer is simple,HELL NO ! Infact if you ask me all crysis had was super advance tech stuff i.e. Super graphics,super human like AI,mass physics..etc..etc...except those things it wouldnt even be AA.

So its the experience that counts NOT the graphics.

And comparing X360 and PS3 is fair because we have two machines having some what the same power under the hood and they are the DIRECT competitors of each other.Does sony ever come up on stage and say nVidia GTX280 has little to offer than PS3 ? because theres no competition.They are both completely different things.Like someone on these boards said some days ago,its like comparing tiger woods with kobe.

[QUOTE="hhttppp"]

TC just wanted a reason to show off his new monitor :lol:

3d graphics design is my career and I occasionally have to do animation as well. I spend most of my days working back and forth between Max 09 and Photoshop CS3. In other words I have a good eye for graphical details. But guess what? When I'm not busy doing that I kick back and play console games on my hdtv! Yes I prefer playing console games, big deal. The majority of the great looking PC games out there that put console graphics to shame happen to be more like playable tech demos than good games with some substance.

You sit here and joke on these fanboys (which I can agree are very silly), but then you come off as a fanboy yourself trying to justify why you think PC gaming is better. You joke on them for arguing about graphics when here you are acting like a little graphics whore yourself.

zipozal

Are you seeing things or just that dense?

First off, it's funny you poor console gamers refer to games like Crysis as tech demo's when you haven't even played them.

If your going to say things like that maybe you should at least limit it to games that are actually critically recepted as such, Black or Killzone for the PS2 would be excellent examples of that.

This thread was for those graphic whores who bicker over which version of GTA4 has a few less jaggies and what not, if your not one of those people then perhaps you should find something better to do then respond to a thread that wasn't targeted at you..

I have played Crysis and Warhead both on High and Enthusiast i believe.And i still believe that they are nothing but TECH DEMOS.As said in my previous post what else do they have other than Physics,Graphics,AI,other tech stuff ? NOTHING...you name any good thing in them and its related to tech.

They are nothing but tech demos...hell during Crysis 1 i remmember that level island.It had so small objectives but it took me hours to go through it just because i was having fun playing with different styles and shooting down trees.Also that oil thing that comes out of the barrel was AWESOME.But again this ALLLLLL is advance tech stuff.

I don't care about playing those games on the PC. I'd rather play them on my XBox 360, in my den, on my 52" Sony 1080p HDTV, with 5.1 Dolby Digital SS. I already have next-gen game and I don't need a uber PC for that. The only PC games I play are Starcraft, WoW, Links, Spore and a few FREE MMORPG shareware games. Hermits need to realize that it not just about the graphics that make the game. It's about the gameplay, the sound, the atmosphere and where you lounge to enjoy your games.

XanderZane

Ok even though the TC laughed at you I agree with your point, I sit at a pc when I have too (and if I can remove my other half from it :?) to play an MMO or something but I personally prefer the ease of turning on a console with the controller in my hand and just chilling.

[QUOTE="hhttppp"]

TC just wanted a reason to show off his new monitor :lol:

3d graphics design is my career and I occasionally have to do animation as well. I spend most of my days working back and forth between Max 09 and Photoshop CS3. In other words I have a good eye for graphical details. But guess what? When I'm not busy doing that I kick back and play console games on my hdtv! Yes I prefer playing console games, big deal. The majority of the great looking PC games out there that put console graphics to shame happen to be more like playable tech demos than good games with some substance.

You sit here and joke on these fanboys (which I can agree are very silly), but then you come off as a fanboy yourself trying to justify why you think PC gaming is better. You joke on them for arguing about graphics when here you are acting like a little graphics whore yourself.

zipozal

Are you seeing things or just that dense?

First off, it's funny you poor console gamers refer to games like Crysis as tech demo's when you haven't even played them.

If your going to say things like that maybe you should at least limit it to games that are actually critically recepted as such, Black or Killzone for the PS2 would be excellent examples of that.

This thread was for those graphic whores who bicker over which version of GTA4 has a few less jaggies and what not, if your not one of those people then perhaps you should find something better to do then respond to a thread that wasn't targeted at you..

Havent even played them? :lol:

lrn2read buddy. As I said 3d graphics design is my career. Both at home and at the office I work on rigs that most likely demolish what you have. And I don't even pay for them! Funny thing is you call me poor, making your misguided childish assumptions, not even knowing who I am. If I did have to pay for my set up it wouldn't matter since I just pulled in 25k for 3 months of free lance work. The thing is I've also been a gamer since the 2600 so while I can appreciate the tech behind games like Crysis (funny as you were the one to point that game out not me), I can also see a mediocre game. And did I even mention Black, or Killzone? Please, you're arguing with yourself here son.

And I see what you tried to mask this thread as, but you quickly started trying to belittle others for enjoying console gaming. God forbid someone sit on a comfortable couch, playing a console game on their hdtv and enjoying there time. God forbid we don't want to hook our rigs up to the hdtv. Funny thing is there aren't many PC games out that completely dump on consoles now anyways. So these people get to enjoy a close enough experience for a fraction of the cost.

Even if this thread was about the silliness of fanboys nit picking at little graphical issues, you son, are no better than the rest of them. Being a nit picky PC fanboy isn't any different.

[QUOTE="zipozal"][QUOTE="hhttppp"]

TC just wanted a reason to show off his new monitor :lol:

3d graphics design is my career and I occasionally have to do animation as well. I spend most of my days working back and forth between Max 09 and Photoshop CS3. In other words I have a good eye for graphical details. But guess what? When I'm not busy doing that I kick back and play console games on my hdtv! Yes I prefer playing console games, big deal. The majority of the great looking PC games out there that put console graphics to shame happen to be more like playable tech demos than good games with some substance.

You sit here and joke on these fanboys (which I can agree are very silly), but then you come off as a fanboy yourself trying to justify why you think PC gaming is better. You joke on them for arguing about graphics when here you are acting like a little graphics whore yourself.

hhttppp

Are you seeing things or just that dense?

First off, it's funny you poor console gamers refer to games like Crysis as tech demo's when you haven't even played them.

If your going to say things like that maybe you should at least limit it to games that are actually critically recepted as such, Black or Killzone for the PS2 would be excellent examples of that.

This thread was for those graphic whores who bicker over which version of GTA4 has a few less jaggies and what not, if your not one of those people then perhaps you should find something better to do then respond to a thread that wasn't targeted at you..

Havent even played them? :lol:

lrn2read buddy. As I said 3d graphics design is my career. Both at home and at the office I work on rigs that most likely demolish what you have. And I don't even pay for them! Funny thing is you call me poor, making your misguided childish assumptions, not even knowing who I am. If I did have to pay for my set up it wouldn't matter since I just pulled in 25k for 3 months of free lance work. The thing is I've also been a gamer since the 2600 so while I can appreciate the tech behind games like Crysis (funny as you were the one to point that game out not me), I can also see a mediocre game. And did I even mention Black, or Killzone? Please, you're arguing with yourself here son.

And I see what you tried to mask this thread as, but you quickly started trying to belittle others for enjoying console gaming. God forbid someone sit on a comfortable couch, playing a console game on their hdtv and enjoying there time. God forbid we don't want to hook our rigs up to the hdtv. Funny thing is there aren't many PC games out that completely dump on consoles now anyways. So these people get to enjoy a close enough experience for a fraction of the cost.

Even if this thread was about the silliness of fanboys nit picking at little graphical issues, you son, are no better than the rest of them. Being a nit picky PC fanboy isn't any different.

Its not fair to own the tc in his own topic like that. :?

:lol:

Also if you are a 3d practitioner then whats a bump map and how do go about making one? Just a little test.

Also if you are a 3d practitioner then whats a bump map and how do go about making one? Just a little test.

You really could have asked me a tougher question ya know. A bump map is a sub object of a material, or texture as most gamers call it. It basically adds depth to what would look like flat texture. Its also a huge asset when making low poly scenes for anything realtime because it can often be used to fake geometry which is a life saver in this business.

Heres a basic example. If I wanted a brick wall with some depth I would use a bitmap image of a brick wall as my diffuse map. Then I would take that same picture into Photoshop and make it a black and white image. All bump-maps are grey scale images and the darker sections appear to sink in, while the lighter sections appear to protrude out. In the case of a brick wall I would make the mortar dark and the bricks light. The higher the contrast between the black and white means the more depth in the final material.

Theres more to it than that of course, but that's the main idea. ;)

Any other test questions?

[QUOTE="zipozal"][QUOTE="hhttppp"]

TC just wanted a reason to show off his new monitor :lol:

3d graphics design is my career and I occasionally have to do animation as well. I spend most of my days working back and forth between Max 09 and Photoshop CS3. In other words I have a good eye for graphical details. But guess what? When I'm not busy doing that I kick back and play console games on my hdtv! Yes I prefer playing console games, big deal. The majority of the great looking PC games out there that put console graphics to shame happen to be more like playable tech demos than good games with some substance.

You sit here and joke on these fanboys (which I can agree are very silly), but then you come off as a fanboy yourself trying to justify why you think PC gaming is better. You joke on them for arguing about graphics when here you are acting like a little graphics whore yourself.

hhttppp

Are you seeing things or just that dense?

First off, it's funny you poor console gamers refer to games like Crysis as tech demo's when you haven't even played them.

If your going to say things like that maybe you should at least limit it to games that are actually critically recepted as such, Black or Killzone for the PS2 would be excellent examples of that.

This thread was for those graphic whores who bicker over which version of GTA4 has a few less jaggies and what not, if your not one of those people then perhaps you should find something better to do then respond to a thread that wasn't targeted at you..

Havent even played them? :lol:

lrn2read buddy. As I said 3d graphics design is my career. Both at home and at the office I work on rigs that most likely demolish what you have. And I don't even pay for them! Funny thing is you call me poor, making your misguided childish assumptions, not even knowing who I am. If I did have to pay for my set up it wouldn't matter since I just pulled in 25k for 3 months of free lance work. The thing is I've also been a gamer since the 2600 so while I can appreciate the tech behind games like Crysis (funny as you were the one to point that game out not me), I can also see a mediocre game. And did I even mention Black, or Killzone? Please, you're arguing with yourself here son.

And I see what you tried to mask this thread as, but you quickly started trying to belittle others for enjoying console gaming. God forbid someone sit on a comfortable couch, playing a console game on their hdtv and enjoying there time. God forbid we don't want to hook our rigs up to the hdtv. Funny thing is there aren't many PC games out that completely dump on consoles now anyways. So these people get to enjoy a close enough experience for a fraction of the cost.

Even if this thread was about the silliness of fanboys nit picking at little graphical issues, you son, are no better than the rest of them. Being a nit picky PC fanboy isn't any different.

This is pretty pathetic, you can call PC Games tech demos all you want, but the fact is since we both have are own bias the only reasonable way to guage a platform is to look at what the critics are saying and you know if you look at gamerankings, metacritic or gamespot the PC has decimated the consoles for years! For generations!

And the PC Games don't even have the benefit of all the console specific publications that inflate the scores of the games on their platform because the editors to a degree see themselves at war with the next console.

Now you can think otherwise all you want, but the fact is I'm a PC Gamer your a console gamer so ya if you think there is a better way to determine who has the better line ups other then your and my bias opinions let me know.

And when I say dominate, lets get this clear, from the day the PS2 was released till the moment the 360 was released ending last gen the PC had more AAAE's then the xbox,PS2 and GC combined and had THREE times as many AAE as the xbox, ps2 and GC combined. Complete utter domination and that has continued into this gen.

And while idk maybe your PC hardware is better (doubt it) it can't be that much better when I'm sporting 2x GTX260's and your hardware is probably workstation cards....

If people want to hijack my thread and make it about something else dam right I'll belittle them, you and your jag fest 720P and low res textures.

consolites are inferior beeings. that's what I get from your posts TC..

give it up. no one cares

1. I didn't call all PC games tech demos. Some PC games are great and many of them offer experiences you cant find on consoles. Unfortunatley some of the more hi tech PC games are just like playable tech demos.
2. but the fact is I'm a PC Gamer your a console gamer-------------Please stop with your childish assumptions. I'm a gamer! Don't try to throw me into some category here. I play games that I find fun. I'm not a slave to one platform, or one type of platform. I play games on PSP, 360, PS3, PS2, PS1, SNES, Genesis, Wii, N64, GCN, DS, NES, and I owned every worth while console since the 2600. And guess what else? I'm a PC gamer too!

The sad thing about this thread is it shows that you are indeed a fanboy just like the rest of em. I don't see how being a PC fanboy makes you any better honestly. So you just keep bickering about what you think people should play and enjoy, while I keep enjoying any possible game I want including ...gasp...PC GAMES! :o

I eagerly await your next insulting, misinformed, over defensive, spastic nonsense post.

1. I didn't call all PC games tech demos. Some PC games are great and many of them offer experiences you cant find on consoles. Unfortunatley some of the more hi tech PC games are just like playable tech demos.
2. but the fact is I'm a PC Gamer your a console gamer-------------Please stop with your childish assumptions. I'm a gamer! Don't try to throw me into some category here. I play games that I find fun. I'm not a slave to one platform, or one type of platform. I play games on PSP, 360, PS3, PS2, PS1, SNES, Genesis, Wii, N64, GCN, DS, NES, and I owned every worth while console since the 2600. And guess what else? I'm a PC gamer too!

The sad thing about this thread is it shows that you are indeed a fanboy just like the rest of em. I don't see how being a PC fanboy makes you any better honestly. So you just keep bickering about what you think people should play and enjoy, while I keep enjoying any possible game I want including ...gasp...PC GAMES! :o

I eagerly await your next insulting, misinformed, over defensive, spastic nonsense post.

hhttppp

It's so sad yet your here wasting your time as well arguing with me about something you consider stupid (and at least I'm getting paid to do it :lol: )

And now you love PC games too yet you just said in the other post PC gaming is nothing, but a bunch of tech demos? :lol:

To be exact you did say this

"The majority of the great looking PC games out there that put console graphics to shame happen to be more like playable tech demos than good games with some substance."

But that includes pretty much every worth getting PC game this year...

consolites are inferior beeings. that's what I get from your posts TC..

give it up. no one cares

killerfist

If nobody cares why are you wasting your time posting here?