PS3 vs XBOX 360. Using the Dreamcast as proof.

All of the information given in this thread can be found on Wikipedia. I just thought I'd give a funny little comparison, maybe to shut people up, including myself, about the PS3's so called demise. Also, I'd like to point out the importance of the price cut concept in this little tidbit and how this proves Sony should not do it.

Okay, so the Sega Dreamcast, Sega's last system, sold only 10.6 million units worldwide in 2+ years. That's not a lot, but it's fun to read why this happened. It actually did very well in North America, setting the pre-order record for more that 200,000 units pre-purchased. But what was killing Dreamcast was Japan. In Japan, it wasn't selling because people were really hyped about the PS2. Does any of this sound familiar? Does this not sound exactly like the XBOX360? No success in Japan, all the success in North America. I should also point out that 360 has also sold only 10-11 million units in 1 and a half years of existance. Funny.

Now, as for Sony, both the PSone and PS2 sold 100 million+ units worldwide and neither had the type of launch the PS3 had. HOWEVER, I should mention that PS2's launch was hindered by production slow down and PS3 is not. The PS3 has sold 3 million units now in 5 months, putting it on pace for about 8-10 million by year's end. Now considering the higher price, that's a far greater accomplish that Microsoft's similar numbers by this point in time.

BUT the big difference here is past performance...Sega didn't die only because of the Dreamcast's sales, it died because the Sega Saturn, Sega CD and Sega 32X only sold to combine somewhere between 10-15 million units worldwide. As for XBOX, it only sold 24 million worldwide and there is wide speculation that Microsoft actually took quite a hit for that financially. Now considering that PSone and PS2 combined to sell over 225 million units, I feel it's fair to say Sony has had quite a bit of success with past offerings. AND NOW, as for price cuts, the Dreamcast did cut its price to half that of the PS2's when the PS2 was launched. And guess what? It sold even worse! Sega lost more and more money, and the rest is history....hence why a price cut isn't exactly a guaranteed way for Sony to succeed.

And so what am I trying to say? PS3 will be fine. In fact, considering the lineup that's slated for release this year on PS3, should we all not be more concerned about 360 judging by the numbers? This isn't Sony fanboyism, this is fact! What if, at the end of the day, it's Microsoft backing out of console production? Seriously, these numbers along with the possibility of Elite's failure because the market is already saturated...do you not think it's possible? As for PS3, Sony is actually happy with what's going on and they're actually poised for some serious success this year. I just thought I'd throw this out there, sorry if it was too long.

This is completely different though.  The Xbox 360 is gaining a lot of steam already, whereas the Dreamcast was slowly dying along with the Sega brand.  Gears of War, Halo 3, and Microsoft's endless supply of funds will ensure that the 360 won't fail like the Dreamcast did.  The PS3 won't dominate this generation, but it won't fail horribly either.SergeantSnitch

Ah, but according to NextGenWars, a website I don't trust too much but I'll use it as an example here anyways, this steam you speak of it not even close to that of the Wii and the PS3 worldwide.

All of the information given in this thread can be found on Wikipedia. I just thought I'd give a funny little comparison, maybe to shut people up, including myself, about the PS3's so called demise. Also, I'd like to point out the importance of the price cut concept in this little tidbit and how this proves Sony should not do it.

Okay, so the Sega Dreamcast, Sega's last system, sold only 10.6 million units worldwide in 2+ years. That's not a lot, but it's fun to read why this happened. It actually did very well in North America, setting the pre-order record for more that 200,000 units pre-purchased. But what was killing Dreamcast was Japan. In Japan, it wasn't selling because people were really hyped about the PS2. Does any of this sound familiar? Does this not sound exactly like the XBOX360? No success in Japan, all the success in North America. I should also point out that 360 has also sold only 10-11 million units in 1 and a half years of existance. Funny.

Now, as for Sony, both the PSone and PS2 sold 100 million+ units worldwide and neither had the type of launch the PS3 had. HOWEVER, I should mention that PS2's launch was hindered by production slow down and PS3 is not. The PS3 has sold 3 million units now in 5 months, putting it on pace for about 8-10 million by year's end. Now considering the higher price, that's a far greater accomplish that Microsoft's similar numbers by this point in time.

BUT the big difference here is past performance...Sega didn't die only because of the Dreamcast's sales, it died because the Sega Saturn, Sega CD and Sega 32X only sold to combine somewhere between 10-15 million units worldwide. As for XBOX, it only sold 24 million worldwide and there is wide speculation that Microsoft actually took quite a hit for that financially. Now considering that PSone and PS2 combined to sell over 225 million units, I feel it's fair to say Sony has had quite a bit of success with past offerings. AND NOW, as for price cuts, the Dreamcast did cut its price to half that of the PS2's when the PS2 was launched. And guess what? It sold even worse! Sega lost more and more money, and the rest is history....hence why a price cut isn't exactly a guaranteed way for Sony to succeed.

And so what am I trying to say? PS3 will be fine. In fact, considering the lineup that's slated for release this year on PS3, should we all not be more concerned about 360 judging by the numbers? This isn't Sony fanboyism, this is fact! What if, at the end of the day, it's Microsoft backing out of console production? Seriously, these numbers along with the possibility of Elite's failure because the market is already saturated...do you not think it's possible? As for PS3, Sony is actually happy with what's going on and they're actually poised for some serious success this year. I just thought I'd throw this out there, sorry if it was too long.

SkyCastleDan

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]This is completely different though.  The Xbox 360 is gaining a lot of steam already, whereas the Dreamcast was slowly dying along with the Sega brand.  Gears of War, Halo 3, and Microsoft's endless supply of funds will ensure that the 360 won't fail like the Dreamcast did.  The PS3 won't dominate this generation, but it won't fail horribly either.SkyCastleDan

Ah, but according to NextGenWars, a website I don't trust too much but I'll use it as an example here anyways, this steam you speak of it not even close to that of the Wii and the PS3 worldwide.

[QUOTE="SkyCastleDan"]

All of the information given in this thread can be found on Wikipedia. I just thought I'd give a funny little comparison, maybe to shut people up, including myself, about the PS3's so called demise. Also, I'd like to point out the importance of the price cut concept in this little tidbit and how this proves Sony should not do it.

Okay, so the Sega Dreamcast, Sega's last system, sold only 10.6 million units worldwide in 2+ years. That's not a lot, but it's fun to read why this happened. It actually did very well in North America, setting the pre-order record for more that 200,000 units pre-purchased. But what was killing Dreamcast was Japan. In Japan, it wasn't selling because people were really hyped about the PS2. Does any of this sound familiar? Does this not sound exactly like the XBOX360? No success in Japan, all the success in North America. I should also point out that 360 has also sold only 10-11 million units in 1 and a half years of existance. Funny.

Now, as for Sony, both the PSone and PS2 sold 100 million+ units worldwide and neither had the type of launch the PS3 had. HOWEVER, I should mention that PS2's launch was hindered by production slow down and PS3 is not. The PS3 has sold 3 million units now in 5 months, putting it on pace for about 8-10 million by year's end. Now considering the higher price, that's a far greater accomplish that Microsoft's similar numbers by this point in time.

BUT the big difference here is past performance...Sega didn't die only because of the Dreamcast's sales, it died because the Sega Saturn, Sega CD and Sega 32X only sold to combine somewhere between 10-15 million units worldwide. As for XBOX, it only sold 24 million worldwide and there is wide speculation that Microsoft actually took quite a hit for that financially. Now considering that PSone and PS2 combined to sell over 225 million units, I feel it's fair to say Sony has had quite a bit of success with past offerings. AND NOW, as for price cuts, the Dreamcast did cut its price to half that of the PS2's when the PS2 was launched. And guess what? It sold even worse! Sega lost more and more money, and the rest is history....hence why a price cut isn't exactly a guaranteed way for Sony to succeed.

And so what am I trying to say? PS3 will be fine. In fact, considering the lineup that's slated for release this year on PS3, should we all not be more concerned about 360 judging by the numbers? This isn't Sony fanboyism, this is fact! What if, at the end of the day, it's Microsoft backing out of console production? Seriously, these numbers along with the possibility of Elite's failure because the market is already saturated...do you not think it's possible? As for PS3, Sony is actually happy with what's going on and they're actually poised for some serious success this year. I just thought I'd throw this out there, sorry if it was too long.

gokurocks2442

This really isn't a post about greatness or superiority, this is a post looking at things a little differently. For all that it is worth, these numbers are numbers, and the similarities are undeniable. I am a PS3 owner, but I am by no means trying to spread death to 360 because I don't own it. i'm just flipping things around for a change, looking at things from a different perspective. And you know what? It actually makes some sense....

[QUOTE="SkyCastleDan"]

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]This is completely different though.  The Xbox 360 is gaining a lot of steam already, whereas the Dreamcast was slowly dying along with the Sega brand.  Gears of War, Halo 3, and Microsoft's endless supply of funds will ensure that the 360 won't fail like the Dreamcast did.  The PS3 won't dominate this generation, but it won't fail horribly either.gokurocks2442

Ah, but according to NextGenWars, a website I don't trust too much but I'll use it as an example here anyways, this steam you speak of it not even close to that of the Wii and the PS3 worldwide.

No it's not, and it's not like 360 is flying off the shelves in Japan. It depends on what region you look at really. Quite frankly, each system has it's weak spots. Not selling in Japan is just as bad as not selling in NA. How gaming publishers and developers approach the ways they release games in Japan and NA prove this fact.

Thread failed in the title itself. DC and it's developer Sega are NOT comparable to that of MS. This is an extremely foolish flaw in these comparisons.-RPGamer-

Read the thread than rather than just its title and then make a comment.

[QUOTE="gokurocks2442"][QUOTE="SkyCastleDan"]

All of the information given in this thread can be found on Wikipedia. I just thought I'd give a funny little comparison, maybe to shut people up, including myself, about the PS3's so called demise. Also, I'd like to point out the importance of the price cut concept in this little tidbit and how this proves Sony should not do it.

Okay, so the Sega Dreamcast, Sega's last system, sold only 10.6 million units worldwide in 2+ years. That's not a lot, but it's fun to read why this happened. It actually did very well in North America, setting the pre-order record for more that 200,000 units pre-purchased. But what was killing Dreamcast was Japan. In Japan, it wasn't selling because people were really hyped about the PS2. Does any of this sound familiar? Does this not sound exactly like the XBOX360? No success in Japan, all the success in North America. I should also point out that 360 has also sold only 10-11 million units in 1 and a half years of existance. Funny.

Now, as for Sony, both the PSone and PS2 sold 100 million+ units worldwide and neither had the type of launch the PS3 had. HOWEVER, I should mention that PS2's launch was hindered by production slow down and PS3 is not. The PS3 has sold 3 million units now in 5 months, putting it on pace for about 8-10 million by year's end. Now considering the higher price, that's a far greater accomplish that Microsoft's similar numbers by this point in time.

BUT the big difference here is past performance...Sega didn't die only because of the Dreamcast's sales, it died because the Sega Saturn, Sega CD and Sega 32X only sold to combine somewhere between 10-15 million units worldwide. As for XBOX, it only sold 24 million worldwide and there is wide speculation that Microsoft actually took quite a hit for that financially. Now considering that PSone and PS2 combined to sell over 225 million units, I feel it's fair to say Sony has had quite a bit of success with past offerings. AND NOW, as for price cuts, the Dreamcast did cut its price to half that of the PS2's when the PS2 was launched. And guess what? It sold even worse! Sega lost more and more money, and the rest is history....hence why a price cut isn't exactly a guaranteed way for Sony to succeed.

And so what am I trying to say? PS3 will be fine. In fact, considering the lineup that's slated for release this year on PS3, should we all not be more concerned about 360 judging by the numbers? This isn't Sony fanboyism, this is fact! What if, at the end of the day, it's Microsoft backing out of console production? Seriously, these numbers along with the possibility of Elite's failure because the market is already saturated...do you not think it's possible? As for PS3, Sony is actually happy with what's going on and they're actually poised for some serious success this year. I just thought I'd throw this out there, sorry if it was too long.

SkyCastleDan

This really isn't a post about greatness or superiority, this is a post looking at things a little differently. For all that it is worth, these numbers are numbers, and the similarities are undeniable. I am a PS3 owner, but I am by no means trying to spread death to 360 because I don't own it. i'm just flipping things around for a change, looking at things from a different perspective. And you know what? It actually makes some sense....

[QUOTE="SkyCastleDan"][QUOTE="gokurocks2442"][QUOTE="SkyCastleDan"]

All of the information given in this thread can be found on Wikipedia. I just thought I'd give a funny little comparison, maybe to shut people up, including myself, about the PS3's so called demise. Also, I'd like to point out the importance of the price cut concept in this little tidbit and how this proves Sony should not do it.

Okay, so the Sega Dreamcast, Sega's last system, sold only 10.6 million units worldwide in 2+ years. That's not a lot, but it's fun to read why this happened. It actually did very well in North America, setting the pre-order record for more that 200,000 units pre-purchased. But what was killing Dreamcast was Japan. In Japan, it wasn't selling because people were really hyped about the PS2. Does any of this sound familiar? Does this not sound exactly like the XBOX360? No success in Japan, all the success in North America. I should also point out that 360 has also sold only 10-11 million units in 1 and a half years of existance. Funny.

Now, as for Sony, both the PSone and PS2 sold 100 million+ units worldwide and neither had the type of launch the PS3 had. HOWEVER, I should mention that PS2's launch was hindered by production slow down and PS3 is not. The PS3 has sold 3 million units now in 5 months, putting it on pace for about 8-10 million by year's end. Now considering the higher price, that's a far greater accomplish that Microsoft's similar numbers by this point in time.

BUT the big difference here is past performance...Sega didn't die only because of the Dreamcast's sales, it died because the Sega Saturn, Sega CD and Sega 32X only sold to combine somewhere between 10-15 million units worldwide. As for XBOX, it only sold 24 million worldwide and there is wide speculation that Microsoft actually took quite a hit for that financially. Now considering that PSone and PS2 combined to sell over 225 million units, I feel it's fair to say Sony has had quite a bit of success with past offerings. AND NOW, as for price cuts, the Dreamcast did cut its price to half that of the PS2's when the PS2 was launched. And guess what? It sold even worse! Sega lost more and more money, and the rest is history....hence why a price cut isn't exactly a guaranteed way for Sony to succeed.

And so what am I trying to say? PS3 will be fine. In fact, considering the lineup that's slated for release this year on PS3, should we all not be more concerned about 360 judging by the numbers? This isn't Sony fanboyism, this is fact! What if, at the end of the day, it's Microsoft backing out of console production? Seriously, these numbers along with the possibility of Elite's failure because the market is already saturated...do you not think it's possible? As for PS3, Sony is actually happy with what's going on and they're actually poised for some serious success this year. I just thought I'd throw this out there, sorry if it was too long.

gokurocks2442

This really isn't a post about greatness or superiority, this is a post looking at things a little differently. For all that it is worth, these numbers are numbers, and the similarities are undeniable. I am a PS3 owner, but I am by no means trying to spread death to 360 because I don't own it. i'm just flipping things around for a change, looking at things from a different perspective. And you know what? It actually makes some sense....

Ya it is kinda funny how the numbers are similar. But if history truely does repeat itself, one could bring up the so called 3rd console curse as a possible indication of whats to come for the future of the PS3. Do I think that will happen? No, I don't. I see each of the 3 consoles having very similar numbers in the market share. Something like 37%, 33%, 30%. Who has which when its all said and done? I'm not sure, but it will be interesting to find out.CAlNlAC

What happened to Sophomore Syndrome? No Console in HISTORY ever succeeded with a sequel number like "2" in it's name, and No console in History ever dominated from one system to the next, there was always a break in between. The PS2 got over those hurdles, The gaminig industry is just too new to predict what will happen. 

I heard it all, the Doom and Gloom of the PS2, the PS2 was blasted by TIME, CNN, and many other reputable sites....what did they know? 

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]Thread failed in the title itself. DC and it's developer Sega are NOT comparable to that of MS. This is an extremely foolish flaw in these comparisons.SkyCastleDan

Read the thread than rather than just its title and then make a comment.

Don't really need to. It's not like this is some new thread that hasn't been made in the past.

All of the information given in this thread can be found on Wikipedia. I just thought I'd give a funny little comparison, maybe to shut people up, including myself, about the PS3's so called demise. Also, I'd like to point out the importance of the price cut concept in this little tidbit and how this proves Sony should not do it.

Okay, so the Sega Dreamcast, Sega's last system, sold only 10.6 million units worldwide in 2+ years. That's not a lot, but it's fun to read why this happened. It actually did very well in North America, setting the pre-order record for more that 200,000 units pre-purchased. But what was killing Dreamcast was Japan. In Japan, it wasn't selling because people were really hyped about the PS2. Does any of this sound familiar? Does this not sound exactly like the XBOX360? No success in Japan, all the success in North America. I should also point out that 360 has also sold only 10-11 million units in 1 and a half years of existance. Funny.

Now, as for Sony, both the PSone and PS2 sold 100 million+ units worldwide and neither had the type of launch the PS3 had. HOWEVER, I should mention that PS2's launch was hindered by production slow down and PS3 is not. The PS3 has sold 3 million units now in 5 months, putting it on pace for about 8-10 million by year's end. Now considering the higher price, that's a far greater accomplish that Microsoft's similar numbers by this point in time.

BUT the big difference here is past performance...Sega didn't die only because of the Dreamcast's sales, it died because the Sega Saturn, Sega CD and Sega 32X only sold to combine somewhere between 10-15 million units worldwide. As for XBOX, it only sold 24 million worldwide and there is wide speculation that Microsoft actually took quite a hit for that financially. Now considering that PSone and PS2 combined to sell over 225 million units, I feel it's fair to say Sony has had quite a bit of success with past offerings. AND NOW, as for price cuts, the Dreamcast did cut its price to half that of the PS2's when the PS2 was launched. And guess what? It sold even worse! Sega lost more and more money, and the rest is history....hence why a price cut isn't exactly a guaranteed way for Sony to succeed.

And so what am I trying to say? PS3 will be fine. In fact, considering the lineup that's slated for release this year on PS3, should we all not be more concerned about 360 judging by the numbers? This isn't Sony fanboyism, this is fact! What if, at the end of the day, it's Microsoft backing out of console production? Seriously, these numbers along with the possibility of Elite's failure because the market is already saturated...do you not think it's possible? As for PS3, Sony is actually happy with what's going on and they're actually poised for some serious success this year. I just thought I'd throw this out there, sorry if it was too long.

SkyCastleDan

So what happened to the Deamcast is proof or a fact of how things will be for the 360? Yeah ok pal.

This is completely different though. The Xbox 360 is gaining a lot of steam already, whereas the Dreamcast was slowly dying along with the Sega brand. Gears of War, Halo 3, and Microsoft's endless supply of funds will ensure that the 360 won't fail like the Dreamcast did. The PS3 won't dominate this generation, but it won't fail horribly either.SergeantSnitch

you say something thats true about the dreamcast but what you failed to put in your summary is that everyone that had a dreamcast loved it and wish dreamcast hadn't died, everyone that own a 360 is looking forward to many many new IPs. even without japan support 360 will do fine in america and europe... bioshock, mass effect, banjo trei, rare, assasin creed, EA, Ubisoft, fable, forza, pgr4 and more i cant remember now.

now on top of all of does great incoming games their is actually japanese support even though japanese people are not buying the system does include. Square-enix, sega, tecmo, mist walker, capcom, konami somewhat, nacom somewhat. does are the important delevopers in japan and they jumped on 360 already.

you also fail to realise sega went broke and MS has great amount of money in reserve. last but not least you fail to realise that this time ps3 and 360 are close in power, blue ray wont play a deciding factor this time since its not main stream, it cost too much, blue ray movie cost 35 bucks and hd-dvd is still out there.

this time MS offers great online, great gaming.. what are we? gamers. this time ps3 offers Movies, and great gaming. wii offers crap to me @_o so far...

you need to add all of this to yoru equation of comparing Dc + 360. sorry for long post :D.beldugo

And you fail to realize that Blu-Ray out sells HD-DVD 2:1 and is nearing 3:1. So don't think that won't have an affect.

Ok, the 360 didn't sell as well as the PS3 in the beginning because of shortages. But, what would have happened if they had waited and released the 360 with the PS3 and Wii, would they have sold better?

[QUOTE="gokurocks2442"][QUOTE="SkyCastleDan"][QUOTE="gokurocks2442"][QUOTE="SkyCastleDan"]

All of the information given in this thread can be found on Wikipedia. I just thought I'd give a funny little comparison, maybe to shut people up, including myself, about the PS3's so called demise. Also, I'd like to point out the importance of the price cut concept in this little tidbit and how this proves Sony should not do it.

Okay, so the Sega Dreamcast, Sega's last system, sold only 10.6 million units worldwide in 2+ years. That's not a lot, but it's fun to read why this happened. It actually did very well in North America, setting the pre-order record for more that 200,000 units pre-purchased. But what was killing Dreamcast was Japan. In Japan, it wasn't selling because people were really hyped about the PS2. Does any of this sound familiar? Does this not sound exactly like the XBOX360? No success in Japan, all the success in North America. I should also point out that 360 has also sold only 10-11 million units in 1 and a half years of existance. Funny.

Now, as for Sony, both the PSone and PS2 sold 100 million+ units worldwide and neither had the type of launch the PS3 had. HOWEVER, I should mention that PS2's launch was hindered by production slow down and PS3 is not. The PS3 has sold 3 million units now in 5 months, putting it on pace for about 8-10 million by year's end. Now considering the higher price, that's a far greater accomplish that Microsoft's similar numbers by this point in time.

BUT the big difference here is past performance...Sega didn't die only because of the Dreamcast's sales, it died because the Sega Saturn, Sega CD and Sega 32X only sold to combine somewhere between 10-15 million units worldwide. As for XBOX, it only sold 24 million worldwide and there is wide speculation that Microsoft actually took quite a hit for that financially. Now considering that PSone and PS2 combined to sell over 225 million units, I feel it's fair to say Sony has had quite a bit of success with past offerings. AND NOW, as for price cuts, the Dreamcast did cut its price to half that of the PS2's when the PS2 was launched. And guess what? It sold even worse! Sega lost more and more money, and the rest is history....hence why a price cut isn't exactly a guaranteed way for Sony to succeed.

And so what am I trying to say? PS3 will be fine. In fact, considering the lineup that's slated for release this year on PS3, should we all not be more concerned about 360 judging by the numbers? This isn't Sony fanboyism, this is fact! What if, at the end of the day, it's Microsoft backing out of console production? Seriously, these numbers along with the possibility of Elite's failure because the market is already saturated...do you not think it's possible? As for PS3, Sony is actually happy with what's going on and they're actually poised for some serious success this year. I just thought I'd throw this out there, sorry if it was too long.

beldugo

This really isn't a post about greatness or superiority, this is a post looking at things a little differently. For all that it is worth, these numbers are numbers, and the similarities are undeniable. I am a PS3 owner, but I am by no means trying to spread death to 360 because I don't own it. i'm just flipping things around for a change, looking at things from a different perspective. And you know what? It actually makes some sense....

lol, Wii will surpass 360 for sure, but the PS3 not doing so in 1 to 2 years? I'd put money on the contrary and definitely be up for checking back in at that time to collect my winnings.

all Sega had to rely on was gaming they had nothing to fall back on like Microsoft with windows of Sony with there tv's and such i think the only one to possibly fail like that again would be Nintendo but i dont see that happening anytime soon.STABW0UND

Good point, but mega-powers like Microsoft and Sony can only rely on other things so long. If I'm not mistaken Sony is winning badly when it comes to Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD, something like 2:1 and nearing 3:1 sales wise, and Microsoft is getting beaten down in its war with Apple and the IPod. Just thought I'd through that out there, not that it hasn't already been done a million times before.

so in actuality, 360's doing better than expectd if you think about it and what its up against omarguy01

Please explain. I can see a twist of what I wrote here actually proving this statement, but please do explain to the rest of the thread.

[QUOTE="STABW0UND"]all Sega had to rely on was gaming they had nothing to fall back on like Microsoft with windows of Sony with there tv's and such i think the only one to possibly fail like that again would be Nintendo but i dont see that happening anytime soon.SkyCastleDan

Good point, but mega-powers like Microsoft and Sony can only rely on other things so long. If I'm not mistaken Sony is winning badly when it comes to Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD, something like 2:1 and nearing 3:1 sales wise, and Microsoft is getting beaten down in its war with Apple and the IPod. Just thought I'd through that out there, not that it hasn't already been done a million times before.

Since you wanna bring up products that aren't gaming consoles but products for console companies like MS then may I point out that Sony did a terrible job in the portable mp3 playing market. They waited and they are a joke compared to the Ipod so I wouldn't comment on the Zune since it's not like Sony's coming close to the Ipod in sales. 

I don't think the elite will have much effect on MS. It will probably be out in limited numbers compared to premium systems, and I would assume they expect less people to be interested at the higher price. As for ps3, I see it dying the 3DO's death. For all the features it has, its just too much for people right now. I would buy a Ferrari if I could, but I just can't no matter how worth the money. I didn't read every word, but I assume you're going to say that ps3 vaporware will eventually kill the 360, much like ps2 did dreamcast? That won't happen, MS can afford more heavy losses and times of drought than SEGA or even Sony ever could.whoisryanmack

PS3 is loosing in all fronts, WII is on top, and the 360 is pulling behind the WII. This is what next christmas will read, the PS3 is jut not got enough software on tap, and is loosing exclusivity every moth it seems, why pay the extra for the PS3 to play what MGS4, and FFVIII, and thos will probably be ported, to the 360. Sorry but it doesn't matter if Japan is not buying 360's becuse they certianly aren't buying PS3's either. The WII is selling like hotcakes, on a cold winter day. XYZVector

850,000 units in Japan isn't a number I'd throw to the side so easily. yes, WIi is dominating. Better system technology wise? Maybe not, but it's a twist on the concept and is sold at a fair price, hence the sales. So, with that being said, Japan is buying PS3's. So is Europe and so is NA. When it comes to 360, that entire market is dead to them. Hence how PS3 is not truly "loosing" on all fronts. And besides, are they numbers wise not actually winning in Europe?

[QUOTE="SkyCastleDan"]

[QUOTE="STABW0UND"]all Sega had to rely on was gaming they had nothing to fall back on like Microsoft with windows of Sony with there tv's and such i think the only one to possibly fail like that again would be Nintendo but i dont see that happening anytime soon.kcpp2b

Good point, but mega-powers like Microsoft and Sony can only rely on other things so long. If I'm not mistaken Sony is winning badly when it comes to Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD, something like 2:1 and nearing 3:1 sales wise, and Microsoft is getting beaten down in its war with Apple and the IPod. Just thought I'd through that out there, not that it hasn't already been done a million times before.

Since you wanna bring up products that aren't gaming consoles but products for console companies like MS then may I point out that Sony did a terrible job in the portable mp3 playing market. They waited and they are a joke compared to the Ipod so I wouldn't comment on the Zune since it's not like Sony's coming close to the Ipod in sales. 

Agreed, but a quick bit of research will show you that MS has taken more of a financial hit in its failure to stand up to the Ipod than anything Sony has done.

The PS3 is going to annihilate the X360 in the coming years.  I think the market is going to polarize between the Wii and PS3.OceanLeet

This year will tell alot. If Ninja Gaiden: Sigma, MGS4, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Killzone 2, Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune can't carry the system to at least 9-10 million units sold as exclusives by year's end, than I think it would be fair to say both 360 and PS3 will stay right there beside one another, succeeding in different markets, trailing the Wii.

let's try this... 360 has been out for 1 1/2 years, PS3 has been out for 1/2 a year, so 360 has been out for 3 times as long and if u round up it's 11 million consoles. if u round up with the PS3 it's 3 million. 3 million x 3= 9 million, so the 360 has sold 2 million more than ps3 if u go by current numbers and u do the math to make them the same amount of time... it looks like it's gonna be a very close race1stCommando

but you might consider this: the PS3 has no exclusive AAA yet, but the 360 have them since launch, yet the PS3 is still close to it's competitor sales proportionally. So it leads to the assumption that when the AAA exclusives comes to the PS3 it might surpass it's competitor historical and today's sell rate. 

[QUOTE="1stCommando"]let's try this... 360 has been out for 1 1/2 years, PS3 has been out for 1/2 a year, so 360 has been out for 3 times as long and if u round up it's 11 million consoles. if u round up with the PS3 it's 3 million. 3 million x 3= 9 million, so the 360 has sold 2 million more than ps3 if u go by current numbers and u do the math to make them the same amount of time... it looks like it's gonna be a very close raceSambaLele

but you might consider this: the PS3 has no exclusive AAA yet, but the 360 have them since launch, yet the PS3 is still close to it's competitor sales proportionally. So it leads to the assumption that when the AAA exclusives comes to the PS3 it might surpass it's competitor historical and today's sell rate.

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[QUOTE="STABW0UND"]all Sega had to rely on was gaming they had nothing to fall back on like Microsoft with windows of Sony with there tv's and such i think the only one to possibly fail like that again would be Nintendo but i dont see that happening anytime soon.SkyCastleDan

Good point, but mega-powers like Microsoft and Sony can only rely on other things so long. If I'm not mistaken Sony is winning badly when it comes to Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD, something like 2:1 and nearing 3:1 sales wise, and Microsoft is getting beaten down in its war with Apple and the IPod. Just thought I'd through that out there, not that it hasn't already been done a million times before.

Since you wanna bring up products that aren't gaming consoles but products for console companies like MS then may I point out that Sony did a terrible job in the portable mp3 playing market. They waited and they are a joke compared to the Ipod so I wouldn't comment on the Zune since it's not like Sony's coming close to the Ipod in sales.

Agreed, but a quick bit of research will show you that MS has taken more of a financial hit in its failure to stand up to the Ipod than anything Sony has done.

 And a quick bit of research will you show the PS3 is more of financial hit to MS then the 360 is to MS, hell the 360 is making a profit now....so what's your point?

Umm... the Dreamcast sold well in Japan. It sold at about the same pace the PS3 is currently selling there and a lot better than the 360 is. The ratio of sales in America and Japan was about the same as the PS2. DC (JP: 2.3 m, US: 4.6 m) PS2 (JP: 24 m, US: 45 M) so a good percentage of it's sales were in Japan.

http://vgchartz.com/japconscomps.php?name1=DC&name2=PS3&type=0&align=0

http://vgchartz.com/worldcons.php

You can't use the Dreamcast as proof as anything because Sega is the one who had to pull the plug on the system because of lawsuits. -supercharged-

[QUOTE="-supercharged-"]You can't use the Dreamcast as proof as anything because Sega is the one who had to pull the plug on the system because of lawsuits. 1stCommando