PS3's attach rate at all time high; inches closer to 360's

http://www.ps3center.net//news/3473/ps3s-attach-rate-at-all-time-high-inches-closer-to-360s/

the PS3's attach rate is at an all time high. Sony announced the PS3 has sold 23.8 million hardware units and 189.7 million software units to date, meaning the console has a tie ratio of roughly 7.9 games per console, inching ever closer to the XBox 360, the current market leader. Compartively, the XBox 360's attach rate was last tracked at 8.1 games per consoles following the 2008 holiday season, according to Microsoft.

Hmmm...

Low hardware sales will do that you know.

ps3 and xbox360 have no attach rate, i cant even remember the last xbox360 game i bought. LULvideogamesdead8

"no attach rate" :lol: That made me chuckle for some reason.

OT: Uh.....good news.

http://www.ps3center.net//news/3473/ps3s-attach-rate-at-all-time-high-inches-closer-to-360s/

the PS3's attach rate is at an all time high. Sony announced the PS3 has sold 23.8 million hardware units and 189.7 million software units to date, meaning the console has a tie ratio of roughly 7.9 games per console, inching ever closer to the XBox 360, the current market leader. Compartively, the XBox 360's attach rate was last tracked at 8.1 games per consoles following the 2008 holiday season, according to Microsoft.

Hmmm...

Evolved_One

Already posted, already debunked.

[QUOTE="Evolved_One"]

http://www.ps3center.net//news/3473/ps3s-attach-rate-at-all-time-high-inches-closer-to-360s/

the PS3's attach rate is at an all time high. Sony announced the PS3 has sold 23.8 million hardware units and 189.7 million software units to date, meaning the console has a tie ratio of roughly 7.9 games per console, inching ever closer to the XBox 360, the current market leader. Compartively, the XBox 360's attach rate was last tracked at 8.1 games per consoles following the 2008 holiday season, according to Microsoft.

Hmmm...

navyguy21

Where does it mention PSP out of curiosity?

Can you link me the thread? sorry for being a day late...Evolved_One

The previous thread actually has the same name as this thread. That's what the search function is for.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Evolved_One"]

http://www.ps3center.net//news/3473/ps3s-attach-rate-at-all-time-high-inches-closer-to-360s/

the PS3's attach rate is at an all time high. Sony announced the PS3 has sold 23.8 million hardware units and 189.7 million software units to date, meaning the console has a tie ratio of roughly 7.9 games per console, inching ever closer to the XBox 360, the current market leader. Compartively, the XBox 360's attach rate was last tracked at 8.1 games per consoles following the 2008 holiday season, according to Microsoft.

Hmmm...

ActicEdge

Where does it mention PSP out of curiosity?

[QUOTE="Evolved_One"]

http://www.ps3center.net//news/3473/ps3s-attach-rate-at-all-time-high-inches-closer-to-360s/

the PS3's attach rate is at an all time high. Sony announced the PS3 has sold 23.8 million hardware units and 189.7 million software units to date, meaning the console has a tie ratio of roughly 7.9 games per console, inching ever closer to the XBox 360, the current market leader. Compartively, the XBox 360's attach rate was last tracked at 8.1 games per consoles following the 2008 holiday season, according to Microsoft.

Hmmm...

navyguy21

"following the 2008 holiday season". I wonder what the current Xbox numbers are.IronBass

The fact is if these numbers are true then the PS3 is selling software at around the same rate as the 360

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] OLD, and FALSE, that number includes PSP games as well. Sony does that all the time dude, but im sure you know that :roll:navyguy21

Where does it mention PSP out of curiosity?

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Where does it mention PSP out of curiosity?

Giancar

WTF :lol: that is worth a sig... If the combined the psp numbers the attach rate would have dropped below 4 due the existence of more PSPs than PS3 in the market.... it's not just an additionGiancar

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] OLD, and FALSE, that number includes PSP games as well. Sony does that all the time dude, but im sure you know that :roll:navyguy21

Where does it mention PSP out of curiosity?

Link me to the financial reports that you speak of. Well I doubt the attach rate is 8, without any real proof I can't really arhue it. last I heard though the attach rate was like 6.3 or so and the wii's was 6.

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]It doesnt, thats the point, but it is well known that sony icludes PSP in everything they release. Software sales, PSN users, downloads. PSP attach rate has always been about 3 (because of piracy) and PS3 around 5 (last estimate the Wii was beating PS3 with 5.3) So common sense tells us that they combined the two, there is no way the PS3 attach rate grew that much from Dec 2008. Do you know how much software has to be sold to do that?? Simple logic says 5+3=8 (which matches the 7.9 Sony released)

navyguy21

I seem that very hard to believe...

[QUOTE="Giancar"] WTF :lol: that is worth a sig... If the combined the psp numbers the attach rate would have dropped below 4 due the existence of more PSPs than PS3 in the market.... it's not just an additionIronBass

Low hardware sales will do that you know.

ActicEdge

Not really. If you were to increase the userbase, yes the attach rate would go down, but I don't think anyone buying any system would buy the system and nothing else. ;) Attach rate is derived from userbase but userbase has no correlation to how high the attach rate is, however confusing that may sound.

Ok just look at the sales figures for their most recent releases and tell me how you figure the ps3's attach rate grew so fast? Find another source that states these claims and maybe we'll take it serious. DeadMagazines

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] OLD, and FALSE, that number includes PSP games as well. Sony does that all the time dude, but im sure you know that :roll:navyguy21

Where does it mention PSP out of curiosity?

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Giancar"] WTF :lol: that is worth a sig... If the combined the psp numbers the attach rate would have dropped below 4 due the existence of more PSPs than PS3 in the market.... it's not just an additionGiancar

I seem that very hard to believe...

[QUOTE="Giancar"]So your saying that Sony calculated the PS3 games attach rate just adding the PSP software (which would be so incorrect) and didn't take into account how much the PSP has sold to calculate an ATTACH RATE? I seem that very hard to believe...IronBass

OLD, and FALSE, that number includes PSP games as well. Sony does that all the time dude, but im sure you know that :roll:navyguy21

[QUOTE="Giancar"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] So your saying that Sony calculated the PS3 games attach rate just adding the PSP software (which would be so incorrect) and didn't take into account how much the PSP has sold to calculate an ATTACH RATE?

I seem that very hard to believe...

navyguy21

[QUOTE="Giancar"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] The number added was the PSP software totals, not the hardware as well, nice try at ownage though :Pnavyguy21

I seem that very hard to believe...

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] OLD, and FALSE, that number includes PSP games as well. Sony does that all the time dude, but im sure you know that :roll:navyguy21

Where does it mention PSP out of curiosity?

So first you say Sony did it, now that Sony didn't Giancar

1. Sony DID add PS3 and PSP SOFTWARE SALES in their financial report.

2. PS3center took those COMBINED numbers and tried to determine PS3 software attach rate

So to sum it up, SONY released software sold, and PS3center attempted to determine the attach rate based on those numbers. There is nothing wrong with sony combining numbers. But PS3center cant get an accurate attach rate without them being separate

Sony = good

PS3center = bad

Got it now?? :P

After checking Sony last report(for fiscal year 2009), those numbers seem very probable.

Page 7.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Giancar"] So your saying that Sony calculated the PS3 games attach rate just adding the PSP software (which would be so incorrect) and didn't take into account how much the PSP has sold to calculate an ATTACH RATE?

I seem that very hard to believe...

micky4889

HERE you go, Page 7 i think (you can easily see the numbers in the chart if you dont feel like reading all of that :P )

After checking Sony last report(for fiscal year 2009), those numbers seem very probable.

IronBass

Interesting:

174.9 million excluding 2006, which would have probably been a couple million. But 175/24, puts it at ~7.3

Edit: nvm, silly me, 2007 fiscal year is 2006. Also this doesn't include any sales since March 31 2009.

[QUOTE="Giancar"] So first you say Sony did it, now that Sony didn't navyguy21

1. Sony DID add PS3 and PSP SOFTWARE SALES in their financial report.

2. PS3center took those COMBINED numbers and tried to determine PS3 software attach rate

So to sum it up, SONY released software sold, and PS3center attempted to determine the attach rate based on those numbers. There is nothing wrong with sony combining numbers. But PS3center cant get an accurate attach rate without them being separate

Sony = good

PS3center = bad

Got it now?? :P

Interesting: 174.9 million excluding 2006, which would have probably been a couple million. But 175/24, puts it at ~7.3navstar29

Fiscal 2007 covers March 2006 - March 2007, so the 2006 numbers are included.

[QUOTE="Giancar"] So first you say Sony did it, now that Sony didn't navyguy21

1. Sony DID add PS3 and PSP SOFTWARE SALES in their financial report.

2. PS3center took those COMBINED numbers and tried to determine PS3 software attach rate

So to sum it up, SONY released software sold, and PS3center attempted to determine the attach rate based on those numbers. There is nothing wrong with sony combining numbers. But PS3center cant get an accurate attach rate without them being separate

Sony = good

PS3center = bad

Got it now?? :P

Where are you getting this idea from?

I just went to Sony's earnings reports on their corporate website. And I just checked the official numbers for PS3 software listed on their official reports. And the PS3 numbers are clearly labelled PS3, and on a separate row from PS2, which is on a separate row from PSP.

And the results are:

FY 06 = 13.3

FY 07 = 57.9

FY 08 = 103.7

Q1 09 = 14.8

Which equals 189.7 Therefore, PS3Center is correct.

[QUOTE="micky4889"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]Sony didnt calculate the attach rate, PS3center did. Im not saying PS3 attach rate hasnt grown (it has to since KZ2, MLB09, and Infamous are exclusives) i was just showing that PS3center was wrong...........not bashing PS3 dude, chill out :)navyguy21

HERE you go, Page 22 i think (you can easily see the numbers in the chart if you dont feel like reading all of that :P )

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

[QUOTE="micky4889"] We're still waiting for the link to this report you're talking about.micky4889

HERE you go, Page 22 i think (you can easily see the numbers in the chart if you dont feel like reading all of that :P )

You guys are right, i was reading it wrong, i will admit that :P

Do i have to wear a silly hat now??:oops:

[QUOTE="Evolved_One"]

http://www.ps3center.net//news/3473/ps3s-attach-rate-at-all-time-high-inches-closer-to-360s/

the PS3's attach rate is at an all time high. Sony announced the PS3 has sold 23.8 million hardware units and 189.7 million software units to date, meaning the console has a tie ratio of roughly 7.9 games per console, inching ever closer to the XBox 360, the current market leader. Compartively, the XBox 360's attach rate was last tracked at 8.1 games per consoles following the 2008 holiday season, according to Microsoft.

Hmmm...

navyguy21

Lol I was just about to say that. Thread = fail.

[QUOTE="micky4889"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]

HERE you go, Page 22 i think (you can easily see the numbers in the chart if you dont feel like reading all of that :P )

navyguy21

You guys are right, i was reading it wrong, i will admit that :P

Do i have to wear a silly hat now??:oops:

[QUOTE="navstar29"]Interesting: 174.9 million excluding 2006, which would have probably been a couple million. But 175/24, puts it at ~7.3IronBass

Fiscal 2007 covers March 2006 - March 2007, so the 2006 numbers are included.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Low hardware sales will do that you know.

Technoweirdo

Not really. If you were to increase the userbase, yes the attach rate would go down, but I don't think anyone buying any system would buy the system and nothing else. ;) Attach rate is derived from userbase but userbase has no correlation to how high the attach rate is, however confusing that may sound.

So how is it calculated exactly? Because slowing YOY hardware matched with steady software would make me think it would go up.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

[QUOTE="micky4889"] You're reading the chart wrong , red is ps3 2007=13.3, 208=57.9, 2009=103.7 page:7Giancar

You guys are right, i was reading it wrong, i will admit that :P

Do i have to wear a silly hat now??:oops:

[QUOTE="Technoweirdo"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Low hardware sales will do that you know.

ActicEdge

Not really. If you were to increase the userbase, yes the attach rate would go down, but I don't think anyone buying any system would buy the system and nothing else. ;) Attach rate is derived from userbase but userbase has no correlation to how high the attach rate is, however confusing that may sound.

So how is it calculated exactly? Because slowing YOY hardware matched with steady software would make me think it would go up.

You are correct. Slowing or rapidly growing h/w sales skew the result. Same reason why the Wii has had a much lower attach rate the past 2 years. This too will improve as the absolute number of new Wii sales starts to fall over time.

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]

You guys are right, i was reading it wrong, i will admit that :P

Do i have to wear a silly hat now??:oops:

navyguy21

Very nice hat!!!!!

Good for Sony. Glad that Sony fans care about sales now.