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#1 slarkyslark
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Looks like the wii all over again

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/07/21/phil-harrison-dismisses-importance-of-hardware-in-next-gen-consoles.aspx

Phil Harrison Dismisses Importance of hardware in next-gen consoles

The former Sony Computer Entertainment executive sees a new business paradigm driving the next consoles from Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo.

Speaking at the Develop conference in the U.K., Phil Harrison outlined his new vision for consoles.

"I think the era of the console where hardware companies spend $3-4 billion to build a chipset and then it's supported on a tax on the software – that's the business model of the last 25-30 years – that's over," Harrison said. "The new business model is going to become a combination of retail and services – and it's going to be an interesting decision for the likes of Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo. Is the next console race about chips and CPU, clock speed and graphics, or is it about business models and monetization and discovery? I think it's probably going to be about the latter."

As long as the "discovery" element includes great games that continue to stretch the boundaries of interactive entertainment, we're on board.

Harrison, who currently sits on the board of directors for the cloud-streaming service Gaikai, also sees the free-to-play model breaking onto consoles.

"I think in some short period of time, if a Call of Duty game on the next PlayStation or the next Xbox starts life as free-to-play you've got hundreds of millions worth of product development open to the world to play,"he said."Then the industry will change overnight, instantly and forever."

Epic Fail. Looks like all the rumors have been true. Ps4 = for kids and women confirmed.

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The Sony copy machine has been working overhours again I see.
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Phil Harrison can't confirm anything. He doesn't work for Sony.

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#4 campzor
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Phil Harrison can't confirm anything. He doesn't work for Sony.

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this.. he has no say whatsoever
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#6 slarkyslark
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Phil Harrison can't confirm anything. He doesn't work for Sony.

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People who do work at sony said the same thing. WHy must cows be in denial??
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Phil Harrison can't confirm anything. He doesn't work for Sony.

slarkyslark
People who do work at sony said the same thing

Name them.
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#9 Phoenix534
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Did you even read that article?

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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Phil Harrison can't confirm anything. He doesn't work for Sony.

slarkyslark

People who do work at sony said the same thing. WHy must cows be in denial??

Did you just call me a cow?

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[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Phil Harrison can't confirm anything. He doesn't work for Sony.

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this.. he has no say whatsoever

+2 PS TC. Women gamers is not a bad thing. Unless your a 12 year old who doesnt understand women gamers exist in hardcore circles as much as men. Infact just under half of my ps3 list are females I know IRL and would beat you to a bloody pulp to suggest women =wii. And no they dont play cod they play the usual UC, Demon's souls, wipeouts ect ect. As for attracting kids I though both ps3 and xbox did that already with COD anyway And I LOVE the fact the silly TC didnt notice ninty AND xbox where also in the exact same context. So really CONFIRMED all 3 are casual. clueless fanboy is clueless

ok this is bs, i have friends that play, but they arent nowhere 15-20% of the gamer population

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#12 mrmusicman247
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How bout you read your own article?
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Phil Harrison can't confirm anything. He doesn't work for Sony.

waltefmoney

Exactly he can't say anything at all. Plus I don't agree with him.

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[QUOTE="Dogwax"][QUOTE="campzor"] this.. he has no say whatsoeverKrelian-co

+2 PS TC. Women gamers is not a bad thing. Unless your a 12 year old who doesnt understand women gamers exist in hardcore circles as much as men. Infact just under half of my ps3 list are females I know IRL and would beat you to a bloody pulp to suggest women =wii. And no they dont play cod they play the usual UC, Demon's souls, wipeouts ect ect. As for attracting kids I though both ps3 and xbox did that already with COD anyway And I LOVE the fact the silly TC didnt notice ninty AND xbox where also in the exact same context. So really CONFIRMED all 3 are casual. clueless fanboy is clueless

ok this is bs, i have friends that play, but they arent nowhere 15-20% of the gamer population

What that I have just under half my friends list are female gamers? Maby I have the right kind of RL mates doesnt change the fact its true. Female gamers do exist. I know its shocking and some gamers like to live in the stone age and think females can only play peggle or farmville, but that wasnt the point I was making. Actually pointing out how stupid the TC's comment was was my point. And no ofc my list isnt the majority of the gamer population ... My POINT was to say females are only casual kid gamers is completely stupid. But hey whatever you feel is right mate.
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#15 NoodleFighter
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Did you even read that article?

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Silly Logical person fanboys don't read :P!!!

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I don't understand the reason for this topic title compared to the content of the thread.

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#17 omho88
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More chicks playing games .... can't complain :P .

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#18 Khoo1992
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  1. He doesn't work for Sony anymore
  2. Even if Sony doesn't want to use hardware that is expensive and hard to develop for, they are going for effiency instead.
  3. And the PS4 announcement is quite some time away, so nobody really knows what they are up to...
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#19 Harisemo
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That was expected after the success of Wii.

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#20 omho88
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That was expected after the success of Wii.

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Sony wasn't, isn't and never will be Ninty ..... for the sake of the gaming world.

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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Phil Harrison can't confirm anything. He doesn't work for Sony.

slarkyslark

People who do work at sony said the same thing. WHy must cows be in denial??

Rather than paying attention to ex-employees, I generally prefer to get my insight from the President of Sony Computer Entertainment.

[On the Vita:] "Of course, we wanted to offer better visuals. That's the 'gene' of PlayStation." [link]

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This is the worst thread in SW history.
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[QUOTE="slarkyslark"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Phil Harrison can't confirm anything. He doesn't work for Sony.

SakusEnvoy

People who do work at sony said the same thing. WHy must cows be in denial??

Rather than paying attention to ex-employees, I generally prefer to get my insight from the President of Sony Computer Entertainment.

[On the Vita:] "Of course, we wanted to offer better visuals. That's the 'gene' of PlayStation." [link]

Links

James Armstrong SCEE VP

Sony Going More Casual With The PlayStation 4?

SCE Executive Comments On The PlayStation 4

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did you even read the linked article you posted? this is no where near some kind of confirmation.

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Looks like the wii all over again

Phil Harrison Dismisses Importance of hardware in next-gen consoles

The former Sony Computer Entertainment executive sees a new business paradigm driving the next consoles from Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo.

Speaking at the Develop conference in the U.K., Phil Harrison outlined his new vision for consoles.

"I think the era of the console where hardware companies spend $3-4 billion to build a chipset and then it's supported on a tax on the software – that's the business model of the last 25-30 years – that's over," Harrison said. "The new business model is going to become a combination of retail and services – and it's going to be an interesting decision for the likes of Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo. Is the next console race about chips and CPU, clock speed and graphics, or is it about business models and monetization and discovery? I think it's probably going to be about the latter."

As long as the "discovery" element includes great games that continue to stretch the boundaries of interactive entertainment, we're on board.

Harrison, who currently sits on the board of directors for the cloud-streaming service Gaikai, also sees the free-to-play model breaking onto consoles.

"I think in some short period of time, if a Call of Duty game on the next PlayStation or the next Xbox starts life as free-to-play you've got hundreds of millions worth of product development open to the world to play,"he said."Then the industry will change overnight, instantly and forever."

Epic Fail. Looks like all the rumors have been true. Ps4 = for kids and women confirmed.

slarkyslark

That's really interesting. Phil Harrison's words correlate with one of Sony's executives.

SCEE vice president James Armstrong (of Spain and Portugal, original link in Spanish).

"It's hard to say right now.I do not think we'll have a console with a lot better graphics than the PS3 currently offered.I believe the future will be to offer consumers better and more accessible experience .The aim will be to make more people enter the world of video games and try to design titles for women."

---

I expect more efficiency in development on Sony's part. More ways to get video games to new consumers. More streamlined networking. Broaden the Playstation model. I'm getting a hunch that there won't be an OMG leap in graphics technology. What happened this gen cannot be repeated. Even if their new console is "more efficient" for developers, I highly doubt there will be a huge upgrade in power, like with the PS2 and PS3. The upgrade will be the power of accessibility, and hopefully creativity (games, infrastructure, and how we get our games).

Believe it or not, it is the wish and will of pretty much EVERY company in the video game industry, to expand. Sure, they want to make great games, but at the same time, they want to do so while expanding the horizon of exactly who plays those great games. We've seen it with the Wii, Kinect, and Move. Couple this with the amazing success of what Apple and Android market are doing, I have no doubt that next gen will cater towards a much wider audience, core gamers include.

This is a business, and if we think for one second that the majority of video game companies solely have our best interests at heart, then we are vastly mistaken. This is just speculation, but pretty insightful speculation, considering the current climate of the industry, and what has happened to Sony this gen. I'm not saying this will totally happen, but just don't be surprised if it does!

Lastly, if Sony goes this route, I don't think it would be "fail". Let's see first. Core gamers aren't entitled to the entertainment of gaming. Yes, this means that your favorite companies want your mom and little brothers and sisters to play video games, just like you. Remember, video games are young in general, and they are unequivocally gonna grow as a medium. Perhaps in ways that we don't like.

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[QUOTE="slarkyslark"]

Looks like the wii all over again

Phil Harrison Dismisses Importance of hardware in next-gen consoles

The former Sony Computer Entertainment executive sees a new business paradigm driving the next consoles from Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo.

Speaking at the Develop conference in the U.K., Phil Harrison outlined his new vision for consoles.

"I think the era of the console where hardware companies spend $3-4 billion to build a chipset and then it's supported on a tax on the software – that's the business model of the last 25-30 years – that's over," Harrison said. "The new business model is going to become a combination of retail and services – and it's going to be an interesting decision for the likes of Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo. Is the next console race about chips and CPU, clock speed and graphics, or is it about business models and monetization and discovery? I think it's probably going to be about the latter."

As long as the "discovery" element includes great games that continue to stretch the boundaries of interactive entertainment, we're on board.

Harrison, who currently sits on the board of directors for the cloud-streaming service Gaikai, also sees the free-to-play model breaking onto consoles.

"I think in some short period of time, if a Call of Duty game on the next PlayStation or the next Xbox starts life as free-to-play you've got hundreds of millions worth of product development open to the world to play,"he said."Then the industry will change overnight, instantly and forever."

Epic Fail. Looks like all the rumors have been true. Ps4 = for kids and women confirmed.

TREAL_Since

That's really interesting. Phil Harrison's words correlate with one of Sony's executives.

SCEE vice president James Armstrong (of Spain and Portugal, original link in Spanish).

"It's hard to say right now.I do not think we'll have a console with a lot better graphics than the PS3 currently offered.I believe the future will be to offer consumers better and more accessible experience .The aim will be to make more people enter the world of video games and try to design titles for women."

---

I expect more efficiency in development on Sony's part. More ways to get video games to new consumers. More streamlined networking. Broaden the Playstation model. I'm getting a hunch that there won't be an OMG leap in graphics technology. What happened this gen cannot be repeated. Even if their new console is "more efficient" for developers, I highly doubt there will be a huge upgrade in power, like with the PS2 and PS3. The upgrade will be the power of accessibility, and hopefully creativity (games, infrastructure, and how we get our games).

Believe it or not, it is the wish and will of pretty much EVERY company in the video game industry, to expand. Sure, they want to make great games, but at the same time, they want to do so while expanding the horizon of exactly who plays those great games. We've seen it with the Wii, Kinect, and Move. Couple this with the amazing success of what Apple and Android market are doing, I have no doubt that next gen will cater towards a much wider audience, core gamers include.

This is a business, and if we think for one second that the majority of video game companies solely have our best interests at heart, then we are vastly mistaken. This is just speculation, but pretty insightful speculation, considering the current climate of the industry, and what has happened to Sony this gen. I'm not saying this will totally happen, but just don't be surprised if it does!

Lastly, if Sony goes this route, I don't think it would be "fail". Let's see first. Core gamers aren't entitled to the entertainment of gaming. Yes, this means that your favorite companies want your mom and little brothers and sisters to play video games, just like you. Rememebr, video games are young in general, and they are unequivocally gonna grow as a medium. Perhaps in ways that we don't like.

Brilliant post.

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There is a reason why he is the former Sony Entertainment Exec. Under him and a few others the PS3 was doing terrible. I wouldn't believe a thing he says.

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Cant be any worse than the 360 and it will at least have some games I enjoy to play.
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There is a reason why he is the former Sony Entertainment Exec. Under him and a few others the PS3 was doing terrible. I wouldn't believe a thing he says.

Wasdie

Still, what Phill Harrison is saying makes sense. Ever wonder that he is saying this out of what he has learned from Sony's past failures? Actually, he is on record suggesting to broaden the Playstation audience, well before the PS3 launched. It was Sony Europe who wanted to greatly expand, I think. He wanted to bring casual gamers into the market, but Sony Japan went a different route with PS3.

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Cant be any worse than the 360 and it will at least have some games I enjoy to play. Heil68
Yeah you know this because you are either a blind fanboy or have the PS4 with its lunch lineup...

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[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="slarkyslark"] People who do work at sony said the same thing. WHy must cows be in denial??dasorcerer

Rather than paying attention to ex-employees, I generally prefer to get my insight from the President of Sony Computer Entertainment.

[On the Vita:] "Of course, we wanted to offer better visuals. That's the 'gene' of PlayStation." [link]

Links

James Armstrong SCEE VP

Sony Going More Casual With The PlayStation 4?

SCE Executive Comments On The PlayStation 4

And yet, the worldwide President of Sony Computer Entertainment is in a far greater position to speculate about the future of the Playstation platform than the SCEE VP.

Obviously, Sony's ambition when creating new platforms should be to do more than simply provide better graphics. Nonetheless, he reaffirmed that continued improvement of visuals is the core gene of the Playstation brand. At the same time, they're going to continue making gaming more accessible for a greater audience, and add more unique features.

It's completely possible to both make gaming more accessible while simultaneously making continued technical improvements to hardware. The 360's popularity in the United States is still due more to Halo than to Dance Central.

We heard here in SW that PSP2 wasn't going to be much stronger than the PSP, that it'd be on the same level as the 3DS; and as usual, those pessimists were proven wrong and Vita will be on the cutting edge of mobile technology...

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Abandon ship consolites! You will all have to succumb to true gaming, or die in the horrible fires of casualisation!

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Good thing he is a former employee.

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[QUOTE="dasorcerer"]

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

Rather than paying attention to ex-employees, I generally prefer to get my insight from the President of Sony Computer Entertainment.

[On the Vita:] "Of course, we wanted to offer better visuals. That's the 'gene' of PlayStation." [link]

SakusEnvoy

Links

James Armstrong SCEE VP

Sony Going More Casual With The PlayStation 4?

SCE Executive Comments On The PlayStation 4

And yet, the worldwide President of Sony Computer Entertainment is in a far greater position to speculate about the future of the Playstation platform than the SCEE VP. So what?

Obviously, Sony's ambition when creating new platforms should be to do more than simply provide better graphics. Nonetheless, he reaffirmed that continued improvement of visuals is the core gene of the Playstation brand. At the same time, they're going to continue making gaming more accessible for a greater audience, and add more unique features.

It's completely possible to both make gaming more accessible while simultaneously making continued technical improvements to hardware. The 360's popularity in the United States is still due more to Halo than to Dance Central.

We heard here in SW that PSP2 wasn't going to be much stronger than the PSP, that it'd be on the same level as the 3DS; and as usual, those pessimists were proven wrong and Vita will be on the cutting edge of mobile technology.

That is a very good point. It's practically a given that there will be more unique, streamlined features and more accessible games for PS4. I'm just not sure how much more powerful the system will be (in comparison to past consoles). Hopefully they juggle creativity, power, and accessibility properly (or at least to my liking lol). Right now, I'm just sitting back to see what happens.

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[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="Dogwax"] +2 PS TC. Women gamers is not a bad thing. Unless your a 12 year old who doesnt understand women gamers exist in hardcore circles as much as men. Infact just under half of my ps3 list are females I know IRL and would beat you to a bloody pulp to suggest women =wii. And no they dont play cod they play the usual UC, Demon's souls, wipeouts ect ect. As for attracting kids I though both ps3 and xbox did that already with COD anyway And I LOVE the fact the silly TC didnt notice ninty AND xbox where also in the exact same context. So really CONFIRMED all 3 are casual. clueless fanboy is cluelessDogwax

ok this is bs, i have friends that play, but they arent nowhere 15-20% of the gamer population

What that I have just under half my friends list are female gamers? Maby I have the right kind of RL mates doesnt change the fact its true. Female gamers do exist. I know its shocking and some gamers like to live in the stone age and think females can only play peggle or farmville, but that wasnt the point I was making. Actually pointing out how stupid the TC's comment was was my point. And no ofc my list isnt the majority of the gamer population ... My POINT was to say females are only casual kid gamers is completely stupid. But hey whatever you feel is right mate.

I have to back you up on this one, Dogwax. I know a surprising number of girls (besides myself) who play hardcore games...even a few that play COD regularly.

They're more hidden and much less blatant than the 12 year olds you see on XBL, but they definitely exist in FAR greater numbers than most people would have you believe.

"Gaming is a male activity" is a stigma that ended back in the 90's.

FYI, I am a girl, and I use "peterw007" as a fake name on GS to prevent idiots from treating me differently.

You'll see that kind of thing often.

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Man what is a gamer to do? SONY for women and kids, 720 will be for pimple faced foul mouthed kids, WiiU will be for kids and women..PC isnt even looked at as a gaming device by the masses..WHAT WILL WE DO!!!!???

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So Microsoft and Sony are going to try to do what Nintendo did with the Wii? Just like they have been? :lol:

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#38 SuperFlakeman
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He was generally saying that the business model of the past i.e. more power! more buttons! more features! more megapixels! is dying and that's true.