PS4 graphics are pretty good - don't you agree?

A game done for 5 different platforms that was screw up on next gen consoles..lol

Funny Ronvalencia claim the game is CPU intensive which is not,to support hes demented argument about DX12 rising performance on xbox one because more than 1 core talk to the GPU,funny thing is if the game was really CPU intensive wouldn't the xbox one beat the PS4 after all it has a 150mhz faster CPU.

Gaming with a Jaguar on PC is not the same as on consoles,because consoles for generation have been better using their CPU,what you will get on a console with a 1.6ghz jaguar you would never get it on PC.

DC has no bullshot images what you see if what you get,it look freaking stunning period.

@ronvalencia said:

@Chozofication:

Your FLOPS number is pointless.

PS3's CELL ~= PS4's CPU .

Intel Core i7-2600 is faster than 8 AMD Jaguar cores at 1.6 Ghz.

Being CISC, X86 has instruction fusion or instruction compression.

RISC instructions are simplistic which requires several instructions to equal a CISC instruction.

On modern X86 CPUs, CISC instructions gets broken down to several RISC instructions hence X86 instruction set acts as instruction compression i.e. do more with less.

X86's win over RISC competitors are backed with design.

ARM has it's 16 bit instruction set (decodes to 32bit instruction set) for instruction compression. ARM is the only CPU ISA that can compete against X86.

Well those CPU look very close but the PS3 one was only using 5 not 6 like the xbox one or PS4 using all 6 SPE it would have top the 2 CPU form this gen consoles.

Also love that huge GPU gap on what 97% between the PS4 and xbox one,any analogies on why such gap is possible when the PS4 GPU isn't 97% stronger than the xbox one.?

@tormentos: Playing numbers yet again, cos he doesn't have anything else to play.

Just out from the top of my head:

Every single indie game, MGS Ground Zeroes, Fifa 14, 15, NBA 2K14, 15, Murdered: Sould Suspect, Sniper Elite 3, Wolfenstein New Order, CoD Ghosts, Advanced Warfare, MKX.... Soon, Project Cars, MGS Phantom Pain, etc

@nyadc said:

@m3dude1 said:

there is no difference in environmental lod, you just have no idea how supersampling works.

You need to get your eyes checked, don't try to get smart with me boy...

and again, your have no idea how super sampling works. remain clueless and ignorant.

PS4 is underpowered.

With that said, it isn't to the point that Nintendo is with the Wiiu. Nintendo has put out some great games on this console. They look great too. The underpowered aspect is more of a bummer than anything else. I'd really like to see what a developer like Nintendo could do on something like PS4.

It is more what you do with it these days, no? The machines are still much more powerful than last gen to the point of having the option for expanded genres--we aren't really seeing it though because of sales trends.

@tormentos: .

For Alien Isolation, both XBO and PS4 results are inferior to fast Intel CPU and 7770 results. Neither XBO nor PS4 was able to match fast Intel CPU based results i.e. it's CPU extensive enough for shitty console CPU cores which is inferior to 7770 results.

Your reasoning with extra 150 Mhz is bullshit.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-metro-redux-what-its-really-like-to-make-a-multi-platform-game

Digital Foundry: To what extent will DX12 prove useful on Xbox One? Isn't there already a low CPU overhead there in addressing the GPU?

Oles Shishkovstov: No, it's important. All the dependency tracking takes a huge slice of CPU power. And if we are talking about the multi-threaded command buffer chunks generation - the DX11 model was essentially a 'flop', while DX12 should be the right one.

The question is specific to XBO you demented fool

Dependency tracking wouldn't be a problem for workloads that doesn't touch this area.

http://gamingbolt.com/project-cars-dev-ps4-single-core-speed-slower-than-high-end-pc-splitting-renderer-across-threads-challenging

On being asked if there was a challenge in development due to different CPU threads and GPU compute units in the PS4, Tudor stated that, “It’s been challenging splitting the renderer further across threads in an even more fine-grained manner – even splitting already-small tasks into 2-3ms chunks. The single-core speed is quite slow compared to a high-end PC though so splitting across cores is essential.

“The bottlenecks are mainly in command list building – we now have this split-up of up to four cores in parallel. There are still some bottlenecks to work out with memory flushing to garlic, even after changing to LCUE, the memory copying is still significant.”

One fast Intel CPU core roughly equals four Jaguar cores. Shitty AMD Jaguar CPUs can't Project Cars with one CPU core.

The only "demented argument" is from you

Sigh fanboyism... Being a living breathing advertisement without being payed to do so... The fail is epic on this entire board.

And here we go again with Ronvalecia school of hypocrisy.

You claim the game is CPU bound on consoles and because of that they both don't have the same performance as their PC counter parts.

That fu**ing theory is WRONG you stupid fool is totally wrong.

So a 1.6 Ghz CPU can a drive a 7850OC to 30FPS but some how an 1.75GHz one can't drive 30 on a 7770.?

You argument is total shit how the fu** a 1.6ghz CPU can drive faster frames on a CPU bound game over a 1.75ghz one.?

That quote you make from metro developer is debunked by him self on that same article you fool,He stated that was on the MONO driver period on the crappy mono drive and he him self not only state that MS had tools to work around the problem but also that they have a DX12 like API already but Metro developer didn't have time to use it,what fu** up the game you idiot was the fact that it was a game made for 5 platforms period.

Oles Shishkovstov: Let's put it that way - we have seen scenarios where a single CPU core was fully loaded just by issuing draw-calls on Xbox One (and that's surely on the 'mono' driver with several fast-path calls utilised).

But Microsoft is not sleeping, really. Each XDK that has been released both before and after the Xbox One launch has brought faster and faster draw-calls to the table. They added tons of features just to work around limitations of the DX11 API model.

They even made a DX12/GNM style do-it-yourself API available - although we didn't ship with it on Redux due to time constraints.

When you give credibility to one part of what it is say alone in an article and you ignore what doesn't serve you best you look like a stupid fu**.

That is funny because Project cars developer claims to have split rendering over several cores something you people claim is not happening..hahaha

I am waiting for you to explain to me why that gap is 97% when the PS4 GPU isn't 97% stronger than the xbox one CPU...hahahaaa

Apparently those Aces do matter when it comes to compute jobs..lol

Well the chart was post by ronvalencia,but look how is completely ignore what i told him and just focus on replay to irrelevant crap.

@m3dude1 said:

@nyadc said:

@m3dude1 said:

there is no difference in environmental lod, you just have no idea how supersampling works.

You need to get your eyes checked, don't try to get smart with me boy...

and again, your have no idea how super sampling works. remain clueless and ignorant.

Entire textures being added and greatly improved has nothing to do with super sampling, it's improved LoD. I know you're backed into a corner right now but continuing to push the same negated point is going to get you no where with me.

@tormentos said:

@ronvalencia said:

@tormentos: .

For Alien Isolation, both XBO and PS4 results are inferior to fast Intel CPU and 7770 results. Neither XBO nor PS4 was able to match fast Intel CPU based results i.e. it's CPU extensive enough for shitty console CPU cores which is inferior to 7770 results.

Your reasoning with extra 150 Mhz is bullshit.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-metro-redux-what-its-really-like-to-make-a-multi-platform-game

Digital Foundry: To what extent will DX12 prove useful on Xbox One? Isn't there already a low CPU overhead there in addressing the GPU?

Oles Shishkovstov: No, it's important. All the dependency tracking takes a huge slice of CPU power. And if we are talking about the multi-threaded command buffer chunks generation - the DX11 model was essentially a 'flop', while DX12 should be the right one.

The question is specific to XBO you demented fool

Dependency tracking wouldn't be a problem for workloads that doesn't touch this area.

http://gamingbolt.com/project-cars-dev-ps4-single-core-speed-slower-than-high-end-pc-splitting-renderer-across-threads-challenging

On being asked if there was a challenge in development due to different CPU threads and GPU compute units in the PS4, Tudor stated that, “It’s been challenging splitting the renderer further across threads in an even more fine-grained manner – even splitting already-small tasks into 2-3ms chunks. The single-core speed is quite slow compared to a high-end PC though so splitting across cores is essential.

“The bottlenecks are mainly in command list building – we now have this split-up of up to four cores in parallel. There are still some bottlenecks to work out with memory flushing to garlic, even after changing to LCUE, the memory copying is still significant.”

One fast Intel CPU core roughly equals four Jaguar cores. Shitty AMD Jaguar CPUs can't Project Cars with one CPU core.

The only "demented argument" is from you

And here we go again with Ronvalecia school of hypocrisy.

You claim the game is CPU bound on consoles and because of that they both don't have the same performance as their PC counter parts.

That fu**ing theory is WRONG you stupid fool is totally wrong.

So a 1.6 Ghz CPU can a drive a 7850OC to 30FPS but some how an 1.75GHz one can't drive 30 on a 7770.?

You argument is total shit how the fu** a 1.6ghz CPU can drive faster frames on a CPU bound game over a 1.75ghz one.?

That quote you make from metro developer is debunked by him self on that same article you fool,He stated that was on the MONO driver period on the crappy mono drive and he him self not only state that MS had tools to work around the problem but also that they have a DX12 like API already but Metro developer didn't have time to use it,what fu** up the game you idiot was the fact that it was a game made for 5 platforms period.

Oles Shishkovstov: Let's put it that way - we have seen scenarios where a single CPU core was fully loaded just by issuing draw-calls on Xbox One (and that's surely on the 'mono' driver with several fast-path calls utilised).

But Microsoft is not sleeping, really. Each XDK that has been released both before and after the Xbox One launch has brought faster and faster draw-calls to the table. They added tons of features just to work around limitations of the DX11 API model.

They even made a DX12/GNM style do-it-yourself API available - although we didn't ship with it on Redux due to time constraints.

When you give credibility to one part of what it is say alone in an article and you ignore what doesn't serve you best you look like a stupid fu**.

That is funny because Project cars developer claims to have split rendering over several cores something you people claim is not happening..hahaha

I am waiting for you to explain to me why that gap is 97% when the PS4 GPU isn't 97% stronger than the xbox one CPU...hahahaaa

Apparently those Aces do matter when it comes to compute jobs..lol

@tdkmillsy said:

@tormentos: Playing numbers yet again, cos he doesn't have anything else to play.

Well the chart was post by ronvalencia,but look how is completely ignore what i told him and just focus on replay to irrelevant crap.

The difference is he plays games, unlike you.

Its more relevant than anything you post. You pretend your a gamer when infact you are not.

Try getting that through consolites thick sculls...

The cost of a console like PC was $1000+ in 2005.

The cost of a console like PC was $500 in 2013.

Soon it will be down to $300....

Oh i play games TTboy i will not give you my gamercard or ID.hahahaa

The only thing ronvalencia play with is with performance charts..hahaha

@

Prove it, otherwise you are fake.

A picture of a console is easy to fake.

So TTboy is also from the UK?

I don't have to prove shit even less to you who had a dead gamercard..even my 360 had endless hours more playtime that yours..hahaha

Yeah it is so easy to fake...hahahaha so is a PSN ID which i don't even need a PS4 to own.

Just face it your recent tactics are pure desperation because you can't beat my hardware arguments.hahahaa

@tormentos:

Prove it or your talking shit about your 360 gaming.

So you don't have a PSN id, didn't think so.

Desperation, says the one who is claiming I'm somebody else. Which if you had bothered to look I would have to be up in the middle of the night to post as.

I lost interest in you repetitive arguments ages ago. You where very happy to post my id (one of) on these forums, proving I'm a gamer. But yet you wont do the same because it would prove you are fake.

Hahahaaaaaaaaaaa....

You are just mad because it was me who exposed your sad gaming account on live..hahahaa

Same year,same low post same stupid naming,same silly xbox arguments defending the xbox one....lol

You exposed an old account which has the same name congratulations, your investigation skills are top class.

Different country, different timing of posts but that doesn't fit with your sad world.

@delta3074: You are the definition of of a troll. He spouted nothing but BS and you claim you acknowledge something with no argument of your own. Not only are you a dumb troll but a pointless one as well.

@nyadc: Adding textures really? Lmao. The game uses better AA across the entire scene it doesn't add assets.

And as for Janko the troll he thinks all photo modes add something. Infamous SS adds nothing for example.

Yeah i'm sure your not..hahaha

You can clearly see swapped/higher quality textures in every image... It's not even stuff you have to look for, it's right in front of you and it's entirely different...

@Jankarcop: That is minimal at best you hyperbolic shit bag. Also you claim all photo mode is bullshits and fail to acknowledge some games add NOTHING. You are a delusional rabbid hermit and a're butthurt by a $400 prebuilt box.

@nyadc: I'm looking at the cars and the road specifically and im not seeing it.

Dude, look at these....

@nyadc said:

@nyadc: I'm on a Mobile device now so it's basically thumbnails, I will have to look when I get back home.

So are you saying it's on distant environmental textures?

Not just distant ones, ones that are also very close as well, you'll see it when you get home.

@nyadc: I'll check it when I get to a desktop , but people need to realize all photo modes are not the same. Infamous added nothing, it's best feature of the photo mode is the camera , the Order 1886 doesn't add anything either. A game can't be discredited just because it uses a photo mode.

For this game it does add things, it's not like game changing or anything but it does not represent what you get while playing.

@nyadc: Really? You will notice a better texture on a rock 100 yards away while driving 120mph? The most impressive thing I've seen of DC are gameplay videos and that means more then anything when it comes to visuals.

Well you certainly got me there, I don't know how I forgot about those games, but still, the best looking ones are MGS and CoD, the former is a game built on last gen standards and the latter well, it's still using that ancient engine and it's also on last gen consoles.

I doubt there are many current gen only games that run at a locked 1080p60 on PS4.

Back on topic. Yes the PS4 does have some pretty spiffy graphics. So does the XB1, Hell I think a lot of Wii U games look fantastic. (That engine driving all current Nintendo first party games is pretty impressive) Point is arguing over which system has better graphics is pointless at this point as both PS4 and XB1 push out the same quality visuals for the most part with very marginal differences. As said before if you really care that much about graphics in video games get a computer.

Photomode changes nothing... Then why does it exist? Why is it used so heavily by cows?

****, the fanboys at this forum are getting tiresome.

Minimal at best would be the difference between XBONE and PS4 multiplats. Lets stop lying, Mr.Photomodeaddsnothing. Time for an optometrist visit, fuckwad.

@Jankarcop: Because it allows the adjustment of camera angles so your not stuck at looking from something at one PoV dipshit. You said photo mode was all bullshots when only one of the three games posted with photo mode adds anything. Keep ignoring that fact you pitiful sad little troll.

@AM-Gamer You're saying Photo Mode only changes the camera angle? ****.....how much is Sony paying you?

This is one of the wildest claims I've heard from this site, apart from "teh small difference PC to PS4" and "30 v 60 fps no difference".....so I'm going to ask for citation. Please provide a link proving that Photomode (Widely called bullshot editor) in DC (and likely all other games) just changes camera angles.

You're so fucked.

Imagine Bloodborne at 60 fps and with decent AA, hell yeah. Game still kills though :P

lol photo mode on I:SS adds more AA, allows visual filters and change DOF

@Jankarcop: I didn't say it did in DC dumb ass. Can you read? DC is the only one that adds anything which is mostly AA and AF. Infamous SS and the Order add no assets. Now I ask again you said all photo mode shots were bullshots yet completely ignore the other two games.

I'm impressed with the visuals the PS4 has given so far.

@04dcarraher: It adds no AA, and the visual filters look horrible. All the Dof is created in engine so you can add more or reduce it if you like. Infamous SS looks best when you simply adjust the camera.

I've played with photo mode for hours with this game. Photo mode simply pauses it and allows you to adjust the camera and color filters(Black and white for example) or add and remove DoF although that usually makes the image worse. The IQ including AA stays the same.

Yes, using a powerful PC for years on end makes you very keen to spotting things like that. You get spoiled and you notice problems and imperfections more easily than most people.

Also it's not just "a rock", dont downplay this like it's isolated to a single thing and no big deal, it's poor damage control. It's assets, texture, LoD and geometry changes all over these maps...

Wait... Do you not even own this game... Why in the hell am I even debating anything with you if you don't... Jesus Christ what colossal waste of my time...

The dynamic AA used in the game gets better when objects do not move. I:SS uses very complex and dynamic AA method without sacrificing too much performance.

it uses SMAA T2x, its a mix of an improved MLAA, better quality, faster speed, slightly slower than FXAA, and TAA which is temporal AA When things are static it get a TAA addition, moving objects only uses the SMAA part of the method. So when your in photo mode everything gets SMAA+TAA.

@04dcarraher: That would mean the AA increases when you stand still It's still used in game. There are no assets added.

Another PS4 game that looks like absolute shit whenever there is a HUD/GUI on screen (aka, in actual gameplay).

Look, the best open world gfx ever according to @AM-Gamer

http://images.geeknative.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/infamous-second-son-1.png

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/wALK222RBc8/maxresdefault.jpg

http://operationrainfall.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/infamous-second-son-combat.jpg

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/349/3494045/2455503-2455250-iepo6rrbxyoxc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KPIEYQp.jpg

Pretty good gfx? Not for this gen. I'll say they are okay at best, and that will go downhill as the generation continues.

@Jankarcop: You just self owned the **** out of yourself.

They move the camera around and it doesn't look like shit anymore? Infamous SS is the king of open world games. AC unity is the only game that competes with it. There's no point running in circles with one the worst trolls on SW.

PS. Graphics will get worse? hahahaha how are you not banned.

http://images.geeknative.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/infamous-second-son-1.png

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/wALK222RBc8/maxresdefault.jpg

http://operationrainfall.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/infamous-second-son-combat.jpg

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/349/3494045/2455503-2455250-iepo6rrbxyoxc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KPIEYQp.jpg

How are YOUnot banned? Roofles.

what? Nothing you have said in this post remotely Reflects or Correlates to anything i said in my post. I NEVER once agreed with what the other guy said you muppet.

Like i said before, the whole purpose of my post was to point out your blatant contradiction.

Added AA=/=Exactly the same, it's as simple as that.

Photo mode on Driveclub does NOT look exactly the same as in Game, there is added AA so there are less Jaggies in Photo mode which creates a smoother ans sharper image not to mention that it is a STATIC image which does not reflect how the game actually looks in Motion.

I happen to like Driveclub and i think it is a Great looking game and a good arcade racer to boot my problem is not with the game it is with YOU and your BLATANT CONTRADICTION and your lack of understanding regarding the basic English word 'EXACTLY'.

'He spouted nothing but BS'=pot calling kettle black

'Not only are you a dumb troll but a pointless one as well.'=Oxymoron, all trolling is pointless, thats the point.

Troll

'One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument'

that sounds a lot like you actually, Calling people dumb is a good way to start an argument.

Just admit ti, your reading Comprehension is so lacking you didn't understand what i wrote because you have a problem with words longer than 4 letters , why else would you think i was agreeing with the other poster when no where in my posts did i even imply such a thing.

Go learn English then get back to me when you can actually understand my posts and get them in the right context, Granted my spelling isn't great but it's not bad enough for you to get my whole post out of context.

And stop contradicting yourself and then throwing your toys out of the Pram when someone points it out

He thinks calling everyone a troll makes PS4 have better graphics.

Does AM-Gamer even own a PlayStation 4? After reading some of his most recent posts he's coming off like a massive fakeboy whose only experience with this console and games are Youtube videos...

It doesn't seem like he actually has one...

@nyadc: What exactly seems like I don't own one? I already posted my setup so yes I own one along with a X1 and Wii U.

@delta3074: Sure it does. I said they looked exactly alike he said they looked NOTHING alike. And you attacked me not him.

How can I admit anything to someone who can't even spell admit? And you are talking about reading comprehension?