PS5 Die shot

Some Youtubers (Mooreslawisdead, Redtech, etc) said they had pretty much confirmed that the PS5 had infinity cache and a host of other RDNA3 features. Well the die shot puts that to rest. (follow the whole thread by the twitter and he breaks down what it has)

More underpowered than expected. Only worth buying because gpu's are sold out and everything is expensive.

Meanwhile the most underpowered system (Switch) is on fire.

At releasing emulators and hd ports

@hardwenzen: Pretty much, but I'm a sucker for some Mario/Zelda action, it's a nice second system (PS5 being my main system atm). I wish it gets upgraded though.

Mostly expected. Consumer tech is all about compromises, especially when it comes to consoles. I knew they would cut down some of Zen 2's features to reduce die size and cost. The surprising part for me is that they kept RDNA 1's rendering backend as well. Seems both consoles are more like RDNA 1.7 or 1.8 than RDNA 2.

Lack of Infinity Cache should be put into context a bit; AMD's Infinity Cache was to compensate for the RX 6000's 256-bit bus, which they used to keep cost and power consumption down while still allowing the RX 6000 cards to compete at higher resolutions. Consoles have unified RAMs and low latency system buses, so they might not really need it.

Should still be adequate, though. More interesting should be the PS5's lower CU count compensated by higher clock speed. In most tasks this should keep it toe-to-toe with the XSX. The question is what happens when and if we throw more shader-intensive tasks at them.

9.2 tinyflops

Lol, wait for slim model. Might be a third cheaper.

@madrocketeer: how dare you present facts and logic? Don't you know it's all about conjecture and wishful thinking around these parts?

Jokes on you, 99% of the rendering is done by that sweet SSD.

This is true and is also the reason why I am confused with the focus on the die shot.

I'm no pro but isn't that as simple as PS5 getting lower res, lower settings, less stable framerate? That's about it? No super drastic difference like obvious missing effects like Series X vs S?

Die shot is great and all, but when will we see and SSD shot? This is the part of the console that interests me, you and every intelligent gamer.

As someone who's fairly tech-illiterate, the only question I have is "How the bloody hell will this compare with my Ryzen 3800X + RTX 3070 combination"?

I knew it wouldn't have Infinity cache, that's ridiculous. CPU and GPU cache is expensive and Infinity cache is meant to be a large amount. But Sony fans kept talking about "cache scrubbers".

@hardwenzen: That's where they keep the triangles.

Well a cow here told me that the only reason PS5 is not full RDNA2 is because it has a custom I/O solution.

lol :P

Well, if all things are equal, yes. But typically, developers try to mitigate that in some way - the question is how. Maybe they'll lower resolution to maintain framerate, or maybe they'll tone down the specific shader-intensive stuff. We just don't know. It's all up to the developers.

But again, in straight rasterization, you will barely notice any difference at all. In fact PS5 should actually be faster in some applications.

@madrocketeer: From what I've read, geometry loves higher clockspeeds. That's about all I know for the narrow vs wide designs.

I guess you're right that it would likely depend on which game/what dev does to mitigate PS5's weaker hardware but to me, I just expect it as the usual. Could be any of what I've mentioned.

I expect the worse which is a combination of all of those but would still look much better than the Series S or PC equivalent of Series S hardware.

I expect about 30% drop in average res, maybe slightly noisier shadows and worse lod. Maybe more drops. That's it aka no big deal for me. I'd care more about PS5's black crushing issues.

So let me get this straight. It’s not Zen 2 or RDNA 3? Hell, it’s not even RDNA 1.5 by the looks of it. Shocking. I was told otherwise for a year now.

The thing you don't seem to understand is that when the SSD takes control of the cpu, there are major gains in performance. If you were intelligent like me, you'd know that already.

@hardwenzen: Clearly. That SSD is literally the only powerful tech in that machine.

That SSD isn’t helping.

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/ps5-soc-die-shots-reveal-rdna-1-1-gpu-and-zen-2-cpu-cores-w-cut-down-fp-units/

hmm

@regnaston said:

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/ps5-soc-die-shots-reveal-rdna-1-1-gpu-and-zen-2-cpu-cores-w-cut-down-fp-units/

hmm

Where oh where is Captain Ron when we need him? lol :P

Bu bu but RDNA 3

HaaaaaaH

Seems legit

@regnaston: 😂

Why is it keeping up with xsx or beating it in most cases?

Already explained in my previous posts. In most common rasterization tasks, the higher clock speed is enough for the PS5 to keep up with XSX, and in some cases even beat it.

It's the shader-heavy stuff that will be interesting to see.

But I was told it had Zen3, RDNA3 and cache scrubbers...

@madrocketeer: When games become more shader intense we will see how the ps5 shows it's weaknesses, example Hitman 3..

If this thread was created three months ago, it would've been massive. Now, nobody cares. Cerny lied again. Everything that was hyped has failed. All what's missing is Ratchet to come out and we see 4sec plus rifts loading screens 🤣

@regnaston: 🤣💀

My dear Xbox fan, how about to do some throughout research in that thread, you'll find this tweet.

PS5 does have 256 bit FPUs, but smaller ones.

Some Youtubers (Mooreslawisdead, Redtech, etc) said they had pretty much confirmed that the PS5 had infinity cache and a host of other RDNA3 features

That was speculation, not a some confirmation of anything. LOL

@regnaston said:

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/ps5-soc-die-shots-reveal-rdna-1-1-gpu-and-zen-2-cpu-cores-w-cut-down-fp-units/

hmm

RDNA 1.1 doesn't exist. Don't be dumb Xbox fan like this Xbox fan. Btw. Locuza said regarding this one :

But regarding XSX, you'll be surprised :

Our Locuza

"but is Microsoft really using the most advanced technology and are there no hardware differences between Xbox Series X/S and RDNA 2 GPUs from AMD? The answer to that is... NO!"

But more anyway :

That XSX true RDNA 2 versus the Waterdown RDNA 1.5 in the PS5 is really making some folks upset. 😎

@mowgly1:

You do know he was making fund of the guy he was replying to who left a hanging ....

He is not saying he is wrong, he is making fun of the other guy

As for Mooreslawis dead and RedTech "confirming" they both said something along the lines of "I can pretty much confirm" ... yes they were speculating but they were going all fanboy on it. Same as some users here claiming that PS5 had RDNA3 features.

Regarding the 256 Bit FPU show me where he says it is that, because he has not in all the tweets I have seen. And even this article from PCgamer uses the 128bit FPU reference from Locuza https://www.pcgamer.com/ps5-die-shots-reveal-missing-zen-2-rdna-2-features/

Regarding the XSX being RDNA2 or not.. from Locuza

now finally regarding you calling me "dumb" .. thanks I value your analysis on me

@regnaston said:

@mowgly1:

You do know he was making fund of the guy he was replying to who left a hanging ....

He is not saying he is wrong, he is making fun of the other guy

As for Mooreslawis dead and RedTech "confirming" they both said something along the lines of "I can pretty much confirm" ... yes they were speculating but they were going all fanboy on it. Same as some users here claiming that PS5 had RDNA3 features.

Regarding the 256 Bit FPU show me where he says it is that, because he has not in all the tweets I have seen. And even this article from PCgamer uses the 128bit FPU reference from Locuza https://www.pcgamer.com/ps5-die-shots-reveal-missing-zen-2-rdna-2-features/

Regarding the XSX being RDNA2 or not.. from Locuza

now finally regarding you calling me "dumb" .. thanks I value your analysis on me

LOL Locuza said he was wrong, he didn't mocked the guy. In Road to PS5 Mark Cerny explicitly said that PS5 CPU has native 256 bit instructions. So, there is that. LOL

FPUs are there, maybe is 2x128 implemented instructions or something. Maybe just with a reduced ISA., but surely not native 128-bit

He also said he was wrong about that on GAF :

I do regret my initial wording though, rather than saying "that Sony likely cut down the 256-Bit FP pipes to just 128-Bit", I should have worded it as "Sony might have cut down the 256-Bit FP pipes to just 128-Bit" to include a larger uncertainty.

As "true RDNA2" I never said anything about "true Zen2" but a cut down or "vanilla" version.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/ps5-die-shot-has-been-revealed.1591559/page-32#post-262408976

Cerny on Road To PS5

PS5 is especially challenging because the CPU supports 256 bit native instructions that consume a lot of power

Timestamped around 34:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph8LyNIT9sg

Anyway, regarding XSX , he also stated. Both are based RDNA 2, but not neither one 100% ( like MS claimed for XSX in Xbox Wire article )

I never mentioned "true RDNA2" and I tried to make it clear, that the PS5 and Xbox Series are neither 100% RDNA1 nor RDNA2 technology.

However boths sides integrate huge improvements from RDNA2, so personally I would put them much closer to RDNA2 than RDNA1 but as said, it's not possible to slap a branding on them without it being largely oversimplified and subjective.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/ps5-die-shot-has-been-revealed.1591559/page-32#post-262408976

Yes, don't be dumb like that idiot with RDNA 1.1.

@mowgly1: you are right of course 😁

Laugh at you as much as you want.

@faponte13: Unfortunately for the PS5, it isn’t performing as good as the XSX anymore. Chalk it up to a lack of dev kits or the fact they had to use X1X dev kits early on or tools being behind PS5 at the time. But it appears that isn’t the case anymore.

Second, no current 3rd party game is really taking advantage of RDNA 2 features yet. It’s suspected that once developers really get familiar with next generation features that is where the XSX will flex its muscles. Because quite frankly the PS5 lacks key RDNA 2 features. XSX is full RDNA 2 and PS5 is RDNA 1.

PS.5

The xbox comes with 2 blast processors so im not worried

Damn there is some guy up there crying over the fact that pos5 isn't even rdna2 , but they wanted people to believe it was RDNA3 with cache scrubbers and Zen3..