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If the 3DS's 3D side of things ends up an ignored gimmick then would it be fair to compare the 3DS to a PSP and if so it seems expensive!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es0xReoS2nA.

couldn't they have just made a new, advanced DS without having a gimmick that ends up costing them, like 3D? Without 3D, it would be cheaper, heck, it could cost the same price but that extra money would be used for better specs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es0xReoS2nA.93BlackHawk93

That's pretty much exactly Gamecube level of graphics, which is better than the PSP sure, but graphically it's not terribly far off if you compare it to recent PSP games like the new God of War. At least close enough to not warrant a double price tag.

And 3DS even has one analog stick too right? But still, 3DS has a bunch of features that the PSP doesn't.

Gimmick this, gimmick that. Nintendo should just rename their ds brand to NDS gimmick becuase alot of people associate that word with Nintendo. Whats amazing is that people said the touchscreen was a gimmick for the orginal ds yet NPG has two types of touchscreen and its suddenly high tech lol.

If the 3DS's 3D side of things ends up an ignored gimmick then would it be fair to compare the 3DS to a PSP and if so it seems expensive!

Pantburster

What do you mean by "ignored gimmick" ? Stereo 3D enhances the graphics, I thought people where into graphics nowadays?

What exactly are you expecting from 3D?

If the 3DS's 3D side of things ends up an ignored gimmick then would it be fair to compare the 3DS to a PSP and if so it seems expensive!

Pantburster

The 3DS graphics are NOT better than the PSP 1000.

The 3DS is expensive, RIGHT NOW, but when the NGP is released the true value of the 3DS will be exposed, but only to tech heads and hardcore gamers.

Soccer moms will never know the difference.

[QUOTE="Pantburster"]

If the 3DS's 3D side of things ends up an ignored gimmick then would it be fair to compare the 3DS to a PSP and if so it seems expensive!

Coolyfett

The 3DS graphics are NOT better than the PSP 1000.

The 3DS is expensive, RIGHT NOW, but when the NGP is released the true value of the 3DS will be exposed, but only to tech heads and hardcore gamers.

Soccer moms will never know the difference.

Street fighter 4 3Dfrom what I heard destroys the PSP in graphics.

Gimmick this, gimmick that. Nintendo should just rename their ds brand to NDS gimmick becuase alot of people associate that word with Nintendo. Whats amazing is that people said the touchscreen was a gimmick for the orginal ds yet NPG has two types of touchscreen and its suddenly high tech lol.

flipdc5

Apple made Touch tech cool NOT Nintendo.

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[QUOTE="Pantburster"]

If the 3DS's 3D side of things ends up an ignored gimmick then would it be fair to compare the 3DS to a PSP and if so it seems expensive!

super600

The 3DS graphics are NOT better than the PSP 1000.

The 3DS is expensive, RIGHT NOW, but when the NGP is released the true value of the 3DS will be exposed, but only to tech heads and hardcore gamers.

Soccer moms will never know the difference.

Street fighter 4 3Dfrom what I heard destroys the PSP in graphics.

LOL @ destroy...Have you seen any of the GOW games on PSP?

[QUOTE="flipdc5"]

Gimmick this, gimmick that. Nintendo should just rename their ds brand to NDS gimmick becuase alot of people associate that word with Nintendo. Whats amazing is that people said the touchscreen was a gimmick for the orginal ds yet NPG has two types of touchscreen and its suddenly high tech lol.

Coolyfett

Apple made Touch tech cool NOT Nintendo.

Apple used capacitive touch screen for their products, completley different from what Nintendo used. Besides that, the ipad or the iphone werent even that popular for "gaming" so its a moot point.

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[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

The 3DS graphics are NOT better than the PSP 1000.

The 3DS is expensive, RIGHT NOW, but when the NGP is released the true value of the 3DS will be exposed, but only to tech heads and hardcore gamers.

Soccer moms will never know the difference.

Coolyfett

Street fighter 4 3Dfrom what I heard destroys the PSP in graphics.

LOL @ destroy...Have you seen any of the GOW games on PSP?

Have you seen footage of resident evil 3ds? It poops all over GoW PSP

couldn't they have just made a new, advanced DS without having a gimmick that ends up costing them, like 3D? Without 3D, it would be cheaper, heck, it could cost the same price but that extra money would be used for better specs.

XVision84

Nintendo has always relied on innovation over "better specs". Most of the "gimmicks" Nintendo introduced/popularized in the past have now become an important part of console gaming, from the D-pad and handhelds, to the analog stick and force feedback, to the touch screen and motion controls. Autostereocopic 3D is just the next step logical step forward for them.

That's pretty much exactly Gamecube level of graphics, which is better than the PSP sure, but graphically it's not terribly far off if you compare it to recent PSP games like the new God of War. At least close enough to not warrant a double price tag.

And 3DS even has one analog stick too right? But still, 3DS has a bunch of features that the PSP doesn't.

Mr_Alexander

The 3DS has much better graphics than the Wii, let alone the GameCube or PSP.

Apple made Touch tech cool NOT Nintendo.

Coolyfett

The iPhone only popularized touchscreens for mobile phones, not for gaming. It was the Nintendo DS that popularized touchscreens for gaming, and that was some 2-3 years before the iPhone even released.

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If the 3DS's 3D side of things ends up an ignored gimmick then would it be fair to compare the 3DS to a PSP and if so it seems expensive!

SuperFlakeman

What do you mean by "ignored gimmick" ? Stereo 3D enhances the graphics, I thought people where into graphics nowadays?

What exactly are you expecting from 3D?

That's what I can't figure out. How is 3D any more of a "gimmick" than the monster graphics chip in the NGP?

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[QUOTE="super600"]

Street fighter 4 3Dfrom what I heard destroys the PSP in graphics.

smashed_pinata

LOL @ destroy...Have you seen any of the GOW games on PSP?

Have you seen footage of resident evil 3ds? It poops all over GoW PSP

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[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

LOL @ destroy...Have you seen any of the GOW games on PSP?

Nick3306

Have you seen footage of resident evil 3ds? It poops all over GoW PSP

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[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

LOL @ destroy...Have you seen any of the GOW games on PSP?

Nick3306

Have you seen footage of resident evil 3ds? It poops all over GoW PSP

It's still one of the 1st gen 3DS games, just like the 1st PSP games looks like crap compared to GoW:GoS.

3DS is barely 1 month old == guy wait do you expect the games to come out that fast with great graphics.

couldn't they have just made a new, advanced DS without having a gimmick that ends up costing them, like 3D? Without 3D, it would be cheaper, heck, it could cost the same price but that extra money would be used for better specs.

XVision84

Dude the 3D screen costs like $20.

It isn't hurting anything, devs can port full HD Twin games to 3DS with little compromises, just ask Ca[com.

The specs are amazing and the price is right. A 600-800Mhz ARM CPU , 200MHz GPU with 128MB RAM, like 4MB VRAM (as rumored) is more than enough for a handheld.

We don't need dual/quad core CPUs and GPUs and 512MB RAM in a device that's purpose is to play mobile games.

I can't wait to see the backlash when the NGP is revealed to have the lowest clock speeds on GPU and CPU, instead of the fantasy specs Sony is allowing to dominate the interwebz

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[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

LOL @ destroy...Have you seen any of the GOW games on PSP?

Nick3306

Have you seen footage of resident evil 3ds? It poops all over GoW PSP

I was sure RE 3DS has 2xAA or something awesome that I don't know the full meaning of.

PilotWings and SSFIV look better than anything on PSP already

yeah the 3DS pretty much uses 3D as a gimmick, imo it doesn't really justify the high price tagKevinButlerVP

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[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

The 3DS graphics are NOT better than the PSP 1000.

The 3DS is expensive, RIGHT NOW, but when the NGP is released the true value of the 3DS will be exposed, but only to tech heads and hardcore gamers.

Soccer moms will never know the difference.

Coolyfett

Street fighter 4 3Dfrom what I heard destroys the PSP in graphics.

LOL @ destroy...Have you seen any of the GOW games on PSP?

couldn't they have just made a new, advanced DS without having a gimmick that ends up costing them, like 3D? Without 3D, it would be cheaper, heck, it could cost the same price but that extra money would be used for better specs.

XVision84

[QUOTE="Pantburster"]

If the 3DS's 3D side of things ends up an ignored gimmick then would it be fair to compare the 3DS to a PSP and if so it seems expensive!

Coolyfett

The 3DS graphics are NOT better than the PSP 1000.

The 3DS is expensive, RIGHT NOW, but when the NGP is released the true value of the 3DS will be exposed, but only to tech heads and hardcore gamers.

Soccer moms will never know the difference.

3ds is as powerful as a wii even with slider off so no psp woulnt win cause its not even as powerful as a ps2 !

That's what I can't figure out. How is 3D any more of a "gimmick" than the monster graphics chip in the NGP?

dzimm

Easy, the 3D effect in the 3DS is more or less a gimmick because it can't change the actual gameplay. Hell, not every 3DS game is even going to use it. It's simply a shallow visual gimmick.

The NGP having much better hardware could be argued to be a sales-point gimmick for Sony but it's actually going to impact gameplay. The better the hardware the more the developers can, well, develop games. It's going to impace scale, Ai, textures, effects, anti-aliasing, animations, physics, well everything gameplay related.

[QUOTE="dzimm"]

That's what I can't figure out. How is 3D any more of a "gimmick" than the monster graphics chip in the NGP?

JLF1

Easy, the 3D effect in the 3DS is more or less a gimmick because it can't change the actual gameplay. Hell, not every 3DS game is even going to use it. It's simply a shallow visual gimmick.

The NGP having much better hardware could be argued to be a sales-point gimmick for Sony but it's actually going to impact gameplay. The better the hardware the more the developers can, well, develop games. It's going to impace scale, Ai, textures, effects, anti-aliasing, animations, physics, well everything gameplay related.

Easy, the 3D effect in the 3DS is more or less a gimmick because it can't change the actual gameplay. Hell, not every 3DS game is even going to use it. It's simply a shallow visual gimmick.

JLF1

Dude. It's not supposed to enhance the gameplay, therefore it's not just a shallow gimmick as it does what it's supposed to.

What is your problem?

[QUOTE="dzimm"]

That's what I can't figure out. How is 3D any more of a "gimmick" than the monster graphics chip in the NGP?

JLF1

Easy, the 3D effect in the 3DS is more or less a gimmick because it can't change the actual gameplay. Hell, not every 3DS game is even going to use it. It's simply a shallow visual gimmick.

You obviously have not played Pilotwings with 3D on if you say it does nothing for the gameplay.

Just because it's a Nintendo system doesn't mean you are allowed to have higher expectations.

3DS to DS is just what PS3 is to PS2, PS2 is to PS1 and 360 is to Xbox.

This is not debatable. You can't force innovation.

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[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

The 3DS graphics are NOT better than the PSP 1000.

The 3DS is expensive, RIGHT NOW, but when the NGP is released the true value of the 3DS will be exposed, but only to tech heads and hardcore gamers.

Soccer moms will never know the difference.

Coolyfett

Street fighter 4 3Dfrom what I heard destroys the PSP in graphics.

LOL @ destroy...Have you seen any of the GOW games on PSP?

Mario 64 on the Original DS still looks amazing, I would say it's on par with psp games, if not better.

But alot of DS developers didn't use it's full potential like Mario 64 did.

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Easy, the 3D effect in the 3DS is more or less a gimmick because it can't change the actual gameplay. Hell, not every 3DS game is even going to use it. It's simply a shallow visual gimmick.

SuperFlakeman

Dude. It's not supposed to enhance the gameplay, therefore it's not just a shallow gimmick as it does what it's supposed to.

What is your problem?

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

Easy, the 3D effect in the 3DS is more or less a gimmick because it can't change the actual gameplay. Hell, not every 3DS game is even going to use it. It's simply a shallow visual gimmick.

SuperFlakeman

Dude. It's not supposed to enhance the gameplay, therefore it's not just a shallow gimmick as it does what it's supposed to.

What is your problem?

I have no problem. Was simply answering his question of Why the 3D in the 3DS isn't important as the bigger hardware of the NGP.

A gimmick can still be shallow even if it does what it should be.

Just because it's a Nintendo system doesn't mean you are allowed to have higher expectations.

3DS to DS is just what PS3 is to PS2, PS2 is to PS1 and 360 is to Xbox.

This is not debatable. You can't force innovation.

SuperFlakeman

I think you have gotten that backwards. We, the consumer, have every right to demand whatever we want from a product. In fact, we are the ones that decides if Nintendo is even allowed to exist anymore.

the problem it that it's a nintendo system, but dont worry once sony does it it will be an anazing innovation to handhelds lol.sherlock99

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I haven't attacked the 3DS or Nintendo in this thread.

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the problem it that it's a nintendo system, but dont worry once sony does it it will be an anazing innovation to handhelds lol.JLF1

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I haven't attacked the 3DS or Nintendo in this thread.

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Just because it's a Nintendo system doesn't mean you are allowed to have higher expectations.

3DS to DS is just what PS3 is to PS2, PS2 is to PS1 and 360 is to Xbox.

This is not debatable. You can't force innovation.

JLF1

I think you have gotten that backwards. We, the consumer, have every right to demand whatever we want from a product. In fact, we are the ones that decides if Nintendo is even allowed to exist anymore.

Nope, it's unfair, inconsistent and unreasonable to expect innovation from one company, but accept rehashes from another and praise that.

You have a right to "demand"? Nah not imo. A company presents the product exactly how they want to. If you are interested, buy it. Have a criticism? Voice your opinion. It's their decision to make, not the public.

I have no problem. Was simply answering his question of Why the 3D in the 3DS isn't important as the bigger hardware of the NGP.

A gimmick can still be shallow even if it does what it should be.

JLF1

Alright but it's not a gimmick in the negative sense just because it doesn't add to the gameplay.

In that case I see DVD and Blu-ray to be unfair advantages of Sony products because they have non gaming features as selling points.

Nope, it's unfair, inconsistent and unreasonable to expect innovation from one company, but accept rehashes from another and praise that.

You have a right to "demand"? Nah not imo. A company presents the product exactly how they want to. If you are interested, buy it. Have a criticism? Voice your opinion. It's their decision to make, not the public.

SuperFlakeman

When did I expect innovation from one company and accepted the rehashed of another? What company are you even talking about.

JLF1

others did that was not directed to you

Alright but it's not a gimmick in the negative sense just because it doesn't add to the gameplay.

In that case I see DVD and Blu-ray to be unfair advantages of Sony products because they have non gaming features as selling points.

SuperFlakeman

It's the publics desision to buy the product or not though. If they aren't happy it's bye bye for the company that made it ;)

Look at Sega, Look at 3DO, look at Atari look at Hudson, look at Panasonic.

JLF1

Consumers don't have a right to demand though. I can choose to die rather than cave into other people's demand. It's their right to do what they want.

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When did I expect innovation from one company and accepted the rehashed of another? What company are you even talking about.

SuperFlakeman

others did that was not directed to you

Just for my own curiosity. What is the company that is releasing rehashed systems?

Both Sony and Nintendo have innovated in the handheld market.

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When did I expect innovation from one company and accepted the rehashed of another? What company are you even talking about.

JLF1

others did that was not directed to you

Just for my own curiosity. What is the company that is releasing rehashed systems?

Both Sony and Nintendo have innovated in the handheld market.

Not in this handheld gen they didn't. Both are basic iterations. Yes there's a motion sensor in 3DS but Wii already have that.

Basically 3DS/NGP lack a huge new feature such as Touch screen.

Some guy said that 3DS did not have enough new features to justify a new handheld, crazy talk?

Edit: Innovated handheld market yeah, but that doesn't really mean much.

Even with the superior specs, the PSP still looks more impressive to me than even the 3DS. I can only imagine how amazing the NGP will look. But that's not to say the 3DS looks bad. PSP still appears more higher res, crisp, sharper.

Even with the superior specs, the PSP still looks more impressive to me than even the 3DS. I can only imagine how amazing the NGP will look. But that's not to say the 3DS looks bad. PSP still appears more higher res, crisp, sharper.

LovePotionNo9

No offense but do you have a 3DS or are you basing that from screenshots because if you are then i must say that your wrong, every screenshot and gameplay video on the internet at this moment fails to do justice to their respective 3DS games. For example all the SSFIV 3DS screenshots look bad or meh at best but on the actual system it looks incredible (Not HD version incredible but damm close to it) and it manages to look incredible even when in 3D, you would expect some blurring but it's still just as crisp and clear as it is in 2D. I have both a 3DS and a PSP and IMO SSFIV alone stomps on every PSP game graphically.

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If the 3DS's 3D side of things ends up an ignored gimmick then would it be fair to compare the 3DS to a PSP and if so it seems expensive!

Coolyfett

The 3DS graphics are NOT better than the PSP 1000.

The 3DS is expensive, RIGHT NOW, but when the NGP is released the true value of the 3DS will be exposed, but only to tech heads and hardcore gamers.

Soccer moms will never know the difference.

Value is preceived differently by all consumers. Some "hardcore" gamers already think it's fairly priced at $250.

Value is preceived differently by all consumers. Some "hardcore" gamers already think it's fairly priced at $250.

Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="LovePotionNo9"]

Even with the superior specs, the PSP still looks more impressive to me than even the 3DS. I can only imagine how amazing the NGP will look. But that's not to say the 3DS looks bad. PSP still appears more higher res, crisp, sharper.

ugoo18

No offense but do you have a 3DS or are you basing that from screenshots because if you are then i must say that your wrong, every screenshot and gameplay video on the internet at this moment fails to do justice to their respective 3DS games. For example all the SSFIV 3DS screenshots look bad or meh at best but on the actual system it looks incredible (Not HD version incredible but damm close to it) and it manages to look incredible even when in 3D, you would expect some blurring but it's still just as crisp and clear as it is in 2D. I have both a 3DS and a PSP and IMO SSFIV alone stomps on every PSP game graphically.