Quantum Break versus The Order. Yes... The Order.

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#1 blueinheaven
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I see people obsessing over the review scores calling QB a flop (it's not a flop, the scores are generally very good) or moaning it's a movie game but nobody talking about the fact you can finish it in 10 hours.

What the hell? I'm probably going to get it, I've been interested in the game since it was announced but 10 hours and about two hours of that is watching a TV show does this make it even shorter than The Order?

Let's be honest 8 hours gameplay is pretty f***ing bad for a full price release. I'm tempted to wait for a price drop with that kind of playtime.

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#2 clyde46
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Wasn't the Order as about as entertaining as a doctors waiting room?

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#3 Kruiz_Bathory
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How does this make it a qb vs the order thread?

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#4 blueinheaven
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@Kruiz_Bathory said:

How does this make it a qb vs the order thread?

Short 3rd person shooters both slated for being over too quickly and not enough time spent in actual combat. I'm going from the reviews I've read of QB so far, reads like the reviews I read of The Order when it came out.

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#5  Edited By dynamitecop
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This speaks for itself.

Max Payne: 8 1/2 hours

Max Payne 2: 6 1/2 hours

Max Payne 3: 10 hours

Alan Wake: 11 hours

Quantum Break: 10 hours

It's right where it should be in terms of a linear single player TPS, also note that the IGN reviewer said he played through it twice and it was worth it a second time around making different decisions.

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#6 jcrame10
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You people are trying too hard.

QB isn't even out yet for fucks sake

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#7 Howmakewood  Online
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It seems to be quite thing line with these games when it's too short or too long

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#8 darkangel115
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Terrible comparison. The only reason people are comparing is because one is windows exclusive and one is PS4 exclusive. Not to mention nobody here has played QB yet.

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#9 blueinheaven
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@darkangel115 said:

Terrible comparison. The only reason people are comparing is because one is windows exclusive and one is PS4 exclusive. Not to mention nobody here has played QB yet.

Windows exclusive? lol, is that what you're going to call Xbox One exclusives dumped on to PC now?

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#10 KratosYOLOSwag
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Quantum Break is probably a much better game but I can see the similarities. They're both games that are using design philosophies of games from like 2010 and haven't really evolved with the times, which makes sense since that's around the time both games started development.

Both games would've been much better received 6 years ago.

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#11 R4gn4r0k
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The Order was even worse because the boss/Werewolf fights were just repeated.

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#12 Heil68
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@darkangel115 said:

Terrible comparison. The only reason people are comparing is because one is windows exclusive and one is PS4 exclusive. Not to mention nobody here has played QB yet.

windows exclusive? lol

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#13 lundy86_4
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I'll reserve judgement until I play QB, but I found The Order to just be a poor game that looked pretty decent.

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#14 scatteh316
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I actually like The Order :s

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The Order was actually a good game when I played it, since I'll pick up Quantum Break after work cause a store where I live is selling them already, I'll give my opinion on which is better LOL. See I can be a reviewer too, all you need is an opinion.

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#16 darkangel115
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@blueinheaven said:
@darkangel115 said:

Terrible comparison. The only reason people are comparing is because one is windows exclusive and one is PS4 exclusive. Not to mention nobody here has played QB yet.

Windows exclusive? lol, is that what you're going to call Xbox One exclusives dumped on to PC now?

Thats what MS calls. who really cares why. The point is the PS fanboys can't play one and the Xbox fanboys can't play the other and that's why it's being compared

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#17 darkangel115
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@Heil68 said:
@darkangel115 said:

Terrible comparison. The only reason people are comparing is because one is windows exclusive and one is PS4 exclusive. Not to mention nobody here has played QB yet.

windows exclusive? lol

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/system-wars-survival-guide-30-32890752/#2

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#18  Edited By hrt_rulz01
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I'd rather have a 10 hour awesome time over a 20 hour OK time.

Of course a 20 hour awesome time would be nice but beggers can't be choosers I guess.

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#19 Bigboi500
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Talk about bad games on message boards instead of playing good games at home. It's what we do.

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#20 Mr_Huggles_dog
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Before anyone says anything about The Order final boss being a QTE....lets just remember that Halo 5's end boss is a cutscenes.

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#21 blueinheaven
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@Bigboi500 said:

Talk about bad games on message boards instead of playing good games at home. It's what we do.

I have good games at home and chose today to play a bad one I felt compelled to go back into Risen 3 on PS4 for some bizarre reason. Risen games are bad games that are great fun to play.

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#22 Heil68
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@darkangel115 said:
@Heil68 said:
@darkangel115 said:

Terrible comparison. The only reason people are comparing is because one is windows exclusive and one is PS4 exclusive. Not to mention nobody here has played QB yet.

windows exclusive? lol

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/system-wars-survival-guide-30-32890752/#2

Still not exclusive, thanks for linking me to proof.

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#23  Edited By Blabadon
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Quantum Break isn't even out yet, chill.

And yep, liked The Order, oh well.

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Because I do not give the slightest of a **** how long a game is? Especially for a story, the story should end when its logical, not go on forever and become a bloated mess: which is most video game stories. I rather have a tightly paced game, where the mechanics have some layers to them and the game is enjoyable on replays than like say a shit load of would be "classic" that are just bloated and offer gameplay per square inch bitch work. It's like we're forgetting an entire era of genuine classics like Resident Evil, Metal gear Solid, Silent Hill, Devil May Cry, etc.

The Order's problems aren't just that it's short, the Order's problems is that it doesn't have a whole lot of ideas for a 5 hour game. It recycles boss fights that are mindless quick time events, the moment to moment cover shooting is some of the most banal action in a game post Gears of War, the story is poorly presented and waits till the very very end to even hint at something more interesting, it's got no sense of pace or design ingenuity when it comes to its encounter designs. 5 hours of that game was banal, 10 would have been atrocious.

I get the whole "I don't want to pay 60 bucks for 10 hours" or whatever, but that stuff to me has always been just wait then, more than enough sales nowadays to get a game later. Especially sales for digital stuff.

@kratosyoloswag said:

Quantum Break is probably a much better game but I can see the similarities. They're both games that are using design philosophies of games from like 2010 and haven't really evolved with the times, which makes sense since that's around the time both games started development.

Both games would've been much better received 6 years ago.

Maybe in the sense that game critics were shittier back then, such a thing might be possibru, but it shouldn't have been better received in 2010, that year had way the **** better games that still shit on most ..**** that all of this gen.

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@jg4xchamp said:

I get the whole "I don't want to pay 60 bucks for 10 hours" or whatever, but that stuff to me has always been just wait then, more than enough sales nowadays to get a game later. Especially sales for digital stuff.

Yep that's what I'm going to do. I just somehow expected QB to be a lot longer considering the whole 'added TV show' thing. No biggie but it immediately reminded me of how much crap The Order got for the same thing. I've never played The Order so probably shouldn't have even made the thread lol but I can, so I did.

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@blueinheaven said:
@jg4xchamp said:

I get the whole "I don't want to pay 60 bucks for 10 hours" or whatever, but that stuff to me has always been just wait then, more than enough sales nowadays to get a game later. Especially sales for digital stuff.

Yep that's what I'm going to do. I just somehow expected QB to be a lot longer considering the whole 'added TV show' thing. No biggie but it immediately reminded me of how much crap The Order got for the same thing. I've never played The Order so probably shouldn't have even made the thread lol but I can, so I did.

It's aight, The Order had some neat ideas at least for a setting, but the part where the creative lead said "gameplay is something we have to do because it's a video game" or whatever, spoke volumes for the project. Not that I don't get the value of pushing narrative or tech, but you can't gloss over the gameplay loop. Naught Dog for all their alleged sins, I would argue when they are good (Uncharted 2 and the Last of Us), the gameplay loop is legitimately entertaining. Maybe not mechanically (Uncharted, I actually like TLOU mechanically), but overall composition at least is well thought out. The Order is just lifeless in comparison.

Quantum Break being relatively "short" isn't that surprising, considering Remedy's other stuff. Alan Wake is their longest game at 11 hours, I guess I would have expected a game with a fake tv show to be a bit longer, considering I thought the 5 episodes were like 40-50 minutes each. Personally I already paid for it, because I'd like new ips, but it's really only ridden the "well at least new" thing, because everything else they showed has made me go, eh at least there is Dark Souls 3 lol.

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@jg4xchamp said:
@blueinheaven said:
@jg4xchamp said:

I get the whole "I don't want to pay 60 bucks for 10 hours" or whatever, but that stuff to me has always been just wait then, more than enough sales nowadays to get a game later. Especially sales for digital stuff.

Yep that's what I'm going to do. I just somehow expected QB to be a lot longer considering the whole 'added TV show' thing. No biggie but it immediately reminded me of how much crap The Order got for the same thing. I've never played The Order so probably shouldn't have even made the thread lol but I can, so I did.

It's aight, The Order had some neat ideas at least for a setting, but the part where the creative lead said "gameplay is something we have to do because it's a video game" or whatever, spoke volumes for the project. Not that I don't get the value of pushing narrative or tech, but you can't gloss over the gameplay loop. Naught Dog for all their alleged sins, I would argue when they are good (Uncharted 2 and the Last of Us), the gameplay loop is legitimately entertaining. Maybe not mechanically (Uncharted, I actually like TLOU mechanically), but overall composition at least is well thought out. The Order is just lifeless in comparison.

Quantum Break being relatively "short" isn't that surprising, considering Remedy's other stuff. Alan Wake is their longest game at 11 hours, I guess I would have expected a game with a fake tv show to be a bit longer, considering I thought the 5 episodes were like 40-50 minutes each. Personally I already paid for it, because I'd like new ips, but it's really only ridden the "well at least new" thing, because everything else they showed has made me go, eh at least there is Dark Souls 3 lol.

That's the thing about gamers that publishers just don't understand. We're always acutely aware of 'what comes next' and weigh up buying decisions based on that. I am going to wait for Shadow of the Beast on PS4 which really intrigues me now and also finally just buy Dying Light Enhanced for PC and get on with that. So much choice these days, despite the disappointing 'next gen' efforts from Sony and MS we have a world of choice it's a great time to be a gamer if you don't tie yourself to one platform.

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@blueinheaven said:
@jg4xchamp said:

It's aight, The Order had some neat ideas at least for a setting, but the part where the creative lead said "gameplay is something we have to do because it's a video game" or whatever, spoke volumes for the project. Not that I don't get the value of pushing narrative or tech, but you can't gloss over the gameplay loop. Naught Dog for all their alleged sins, I would argue when they are good (Uncharted 2 and the Last of Us), the gameplay loop is legitimately entertaining. Maybe not mechanically (Uncharted, I actually like TLOU mechanically), but overall composition at least is well thought out. The Order is just lifeless in comparison.

Quantum Break being relatively "short" isn't that surprising, considering Remedy's other stuff. Alan Wake is their longest game at 11 hours, I guess I would have expected a game with a fake tv show to be a bit longer, considering I thought the 5 episodes were like 40-50 minutes each. Personally I already paid for it, because I'd like new ips, but it's really only ridden the "well at least new" thing, because everything else they showed has made me go, eh at least there is Dark Souls 3 lol.

That's the thing about gamers that publishers just don't understand. We're always acutely aware of 'what comes next' and weigh up buying decisions based on that. I am going to wait for Shadow of the Beast on PS4 which really intrigues me now and also finally just buy Dying Light Enhanced for PC and get on with that. So much choice these days, despite the disappointing 'next gen' efforts from Sony and MS we have a world of choice it's a great time to be a gamer if you don't tie yourself to one platform.

Yeah man, the growing indie scene and growing middle market means on the digital front we tend to get at least one good video game, at a far more reasonable price every week. It's frankly why more should be expected of the triple A stuff. They basically own the month when they release these days, it's not like the old days where any given month they could be competing with 10 other games that just released retail.

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As far as play time goes I pay little attention to that. I'm not a reviewer with a schedule so I take my time playing games.

As for comparing to the order, I haven't played QB yet so I can't. I played the Order and a 5/10 was below my score but I wouldn't go higher than 6/10 on it. I'll see with QB soon enough.

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#30  Edited By GarGx1
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The Order is 1.5 hours playing, 1 hour walking and 2.5 hours of uninterruptable cut scenes.

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#31 Cloud_imperium
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Most AAA Action games are 6+ hours these days. 8-12 hours long campaign is pretty good IMO.

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#33 freedomfreak
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I'll just wait until it's out.

And it doesn't take much for a game to outdo The Order.

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@kuu2 said:

TC getting absolutely demoed in his own thread.

The Odor was terrible. QB seems to be quite good.

Nah, both are trash

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@kuu2 said:

The Odor was terrible.

Yep, odor is terrible but from where? Bad Breath or Sweat? :P

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Nah, both are trash

You're playing it already?

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@kuu2 said:

TC getting absolutely demoed in his own thread.

The Odor was terrible. QB seems to be quite good.

You're reading a different thread to everyone else then. QB 'seems' to be quite good? You've either played it or you haven't. I'm guessing you haven't so shut your noise, junior.

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@freedomfreak said:
@naughtyottsel said:

Nah, both are trash

You're playing it already?

Nah but if calling it shit riles em up, can't help it :P

After all, lems said SFV was a piece of shit even though that game is excellent.

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Nah but if calling it shit riles em up, can't help it :P

After all, lems said SFV was a piece of shit even though that game is excellent.

Ah, just fanboyism. Carry on.

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#40 AM-Gamer
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I actually enjoyed TO and I'll probably enjoy QB.

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#42  Edited By naughtyottsel
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@freedomfreak said:
@naughtyottsel said:

Nah but if calling it shit riles em up, can't help it :P

After all, lems said SFV was a piece of shit even though that game is excellent.

Ah, just fanboyism. Carry on.

Nah, just like taking the piss outta morons.

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@darkangel115: I have

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#44  Edited By freedomfreak
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@naughtyottsel said:

Nah, just like taking the piss outta morons.

oh

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@freedomfreak said:
@naughtyottsel said:

Nah, just like taking the piss outta morons.

oh

:P was going to get that game in your sig today btw, bought a retro game instead though

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#46  Edited By freedomfreak
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@naughtyottsel: It's good. Really silly.

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@naughtyottsel: It's good. Really silly.

Loved the original on Vita

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Loved the original on Vita

Funnily enough, I kinda prefer that version.

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#49 naughtyottsel
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@freedomfreak said:
@naughtyottsel said:

Loved the original on Vita

Funnily enough, I kinda prefer that version.

Whysat?

I imported it just to find out it was getting localized xP 3DS games are balls sadly

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Whysat?

I imported it just to find out it was getting localized xP 3DS games are balls sadly

Just the way they done the story. On the Vita, you'd pick your school and then your character. You'd do their missions and side-missions.

Ps4 version is just one continuation of stages. Can't pick anything, really.