"Halo 3 - Nothing Innovative or new here..." *sighs*

This is obviously dealing with all the Halo 3 threads fanboys seem to love posting.

I just came from reading this thread where the TC, like many many before him, said Halo 3 is bringing nothing new.

Before I answer that may I also so the same thing was said about Halo 1 and 2 yet it averaged a minimum of low AAA on god knows how many sites.

But anywho... I love how people talk about innovation or something new only with Halo. With other games or FPS'S to be more specific all of the sudden that argument doesn't need to be made.

I mean I don't think you fanboys get it. It's called common sense. You don't have to be innovative or be the next matrix or Seinfeld to be great.

Good example recently is Superbad. Superbad has not done anything that hasn't been done before. But it's hilarious... why? Cause it takes what it does and does it great. Making a movie or a game or whatever is not about sitting there and thinking of the next new idea. God bless you if you have one but people don't do that. They just make whatever they were gonna make.

I mean for the most part everything has pretty much been done in some capacity but it's not about what you do but how you do it.

I mean look at wrestling. Just about 99% of the moves you see were done before. You think all of Stone Cold's or the Rock's moves were new? They were old passed down from generations but it is how the Rock did the Rock bottom and made it his that made it great and how Stone Cold did the Stunner and made it is that made that great.

If you people can't understand this perhaps you shouldn't be posting the same thing over and over again.

I mean I'm a writer and producer and I'm not looking at creating a new style or story telling or a new way of doing a film or a fight scene. Cause doing that leads to a lot of garbage. I just wanna make something good. So I will take all the elements that I have seen in my life and try to master them.

It's what Nirvava did...it's what Quentin Tarintino did and what Bungie did. So fanboys please stop trying to pass of Halo 3 as having to be innovative. And for that fact any other game.

Well said. Your post is full of win.Corvin

I'm getting kind of tired of people who keep saying this as if people make games while trying to be the utmost original ever.

I mean with that kind of thinking I guess the guys making COD4 should just burn that game as well we should not see Half-Life 2: Ep 2 or 3 cause it's not innovative.

I'm tired of this weak kind of argument

Makes you wonder why Halo 3 fanboys bash Killzone 2 for not bringing anything new. >_oCedmln

People don't Bash Killzone for that they bash it for it's huge flop score in game 1. BTW I liked Killzone 1 a lot.

And don't for a second compare the bashing Halo 3 gets to any other game. Not even close. This forum is full of Halo bashing on a consistant basis.

And I do find it funny that cows will bash Halo 3 saying it brings nothing yet in fact what I killzone 2 doing different? What is Haze doing different? The point is they don't have to be different they just gotta be good at what they are doing.

Halo is great because of it's gameplay. They take elements and tighten them and make them strong as a whole and that's why I love Halo. I love it's gameplay.

The thread was better before you changed the title of the topic.HolyHandGrenad3

I really think his opinion matters more then his thread title.

The thread was better before you changed the title of the topic.HolyHandGrenad3

I thought more fanboys wouldn't come here with that kind of a topic title so I changed it

[QUOTE="HolyHandGrenad3"]The thread was better before you changed the title of the topic.kcpp2b

I thought more fanboys wouldn't come here with that kind of a topic title so I changed it

Yeah I know. Just sad that you have to stir up controversy to get a reaction on these forums.

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]

[QUOTE="HolyHandGrenad3"]The thread was better before you changed the title of the topic.HolyHandGrenad3

I thought more fanboys wouldn't come here with that kind of a topic title so I changed it

Yeah I know. Just sad that you have to stir up controversy to get a reaction on these forums.

I agree, but need to do so to get more people to view it. I'm sure most won't post. I wanna see what arguments the Fanboys have.

[QUOTE="Corvin"]Well said. Your post is full of win.kcpp2b

I'm getting kind of tired of people who keep saying this as if people make games while trying to be the utmost original ever.

I mean with that kind of thinking I guess the guys making COD4 should just burn that game as well we should not see Half-Life 2: Ep 2 or 3 cause it's not innovative.

I'm tired of this weak kind of argument

I completely agree. Its not like, say, Gears of War was the first TPS to have a cover system, but it was so well done, who cares? Halo 3 is going to be more Halo with more weapons, maps, graphics, etc. What more do people want? Why would they completely re-design a sequel to games that already have a winning formula?

i do remember TP and mp3 not getting AAA here on gs because they werent innovative enough. im just saying that you should brace yourself incase halo 3 misses AAA. LoG-Sacrament

No that was based on it's own series. They didn't say MP3 wasn't innovative enough as a FPS compared to all others it is compared to its past games.

Again you don't have to be innovative to a great movie or game or tv show. You just gotta take the elements you're using and do it great.

Good example is Kill Bill. It's basically a movie full of elements and art styles from other genres, directors, eras etc.... but it worked great IMO and was a good movie. I didn't cry out... "Where is teh innovation" lol

I agree with 100% my freind but one quick question...

You don't have to be innovative or be the next matrix or Seinfeld to be great. kcpp2b

Are these the greatest innovations you could think of?

haha

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]

[QUOTE="Corvin"]Well said. Your post is full of win.Corvin

I'm getting kind of tired of people who keep saying this as if people make games while trying to be the utmost original ever.

I mean with that kind of thinking I guess the guys making COD4 should just burn that game as well we should not see Half-Life 2: Ep 2 or 3 cause it's not innovative.

I'm tired of this weak kind of argument

I completely agree. Its not like, say, Gears of War was the first TPS to have a cover system, but it was so well done, who cares? Halo 3 is going to be more Halo with more weapons, maps, graphics, etc. What more do people want? Why would they completely re-design a sequel to games that already have a winning formula?

I guess it's just a popular too fanboys try to use to bash Halo. Recently it WAS graphics but since the game is looking pretty damn good funny how that quieted down ALOT. Now they are falling back on their NO INNOVATION tactics and it's sad as hell.

I mean look at when MGS2 put it most of the game with Raiden, how did that go? Not so good you say? But it was a new twist to the series... again.. people don't like adding new things to something they already love.

It's like sitcoms or dramas that people love and then they decide to add new characters and it kind ruins the show cause you change the formula and the audience doesn't feel quite at home anymore

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]i do remember TP and mp3 not getting AAA here on gs because they werent innovative enough. im just saying that you should brace yourself incase halo 3 misses AAA. kcpp2b

No that was based on it's own series. They didn't say MP3 wasn't innovative enough as a FPS compared to all others it is compared to its past games.

Again you don't have to be innovative to a great movie or game or tv show. You just gotta take the elements you're using and do it great.

Good example is Kill Bill. It's basically a movie full of elements and art styles from other genres, directors, eras etc.... but it worked great IMO and was a good movie. I didn't cry out... "Where is teh innovation" lol

maybe im missing some big feature, but what did bungie add to formula from halo 2? halo 2 added online multiplayer and the dual wielding system(i wasnt a big fan of it, but apparently everyone else was). both of these features made major changes in the single and multiplayer. halo 3 is the 1st halo game this gen and is expected to make big leaps.

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[QUOTE="Corvin"]Well said. Your post is full of win.Corvin

I'm getting kind of tired of people who keep saying this as if people make games while trying to be the utmost original ever.

I mean with that kind of thinking I guess the guys making COD4 should just burn that game as well we should not see Half-Life 2: Ep 2 or 3 cause it's not innovative.

I'm tired of this weak kind of argument

I completely agree. Its not like, say, Gears of War was the first TPS to have a cover system, but it was so well done, who cares? Halo 3 is going to be more Halo with more weapons, maps, graphics, etc. What more do people want? Why would they completely re-design a sequel to games that already have a winning formula?

Yep sometimes when you have the formula down packed all you need to do is add more content ^_^ It works with pokemon and it works with halo and every other game out there. (Although they do fail sometimes).

I agree with 100% my freind but one quick question...

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"] You don't have to be innovative or be the next matrix or Seinfeld to be great. adidaw52

Are these the greatest innovations you could think of?

haha

Umm maybe you should do some history research. After those two things came out they were HEAVILY copied. Matrix's bullet time, which they didn't technically invent I don't think but mastered, and their great use wirework was HEAVILY copied by films like Charlie's Angels for example and a million other bad copies of that kind of action elements.

Seinfeld and that comedy style was HEAVILY copied. And Seinfeld moved TV into a new era. I mean that master of your domain episode was a big deal in it's time when right now it would be just another episode of a tv show.

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[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]i do remember TP and mp3 not getting AAA here on gs because they werent innovative enough. im just saying that you should brace yourself incase halo 3 misses AAA. LoG-Sacrament

No that was based on it's own series. They didn't say MP3 wasn't innovative enough as a FPS compared to all others it is compared to its past games.

Again you don't have to be innovative to a great movie or game or tv show. You just gotta take the elements you're using and do it great.

Good example is Kill Bill. It's basically a movie full of elements and art styles from other genres, directors, eras etc.... but it worked great IMO and was a good movie. I didn't cry out... "Where is teh innovation" lol

maybe im missing some big feature, but what did bungie add to formula from halo 2? halo 2 added online multiplayer and the dual wielding system(i wasnt a big fan of it, but apparently everyone else was). both of these features made major changes in the single and multiplayer. halo 3 is the 1st halo game this gen and is expected to make big leaps.

Well first off there are plenty of new things but the most important thing is, the game isn't realeased yet buddy. You act like we all know everything there is to know and experience in the game.

And honestly Halo 3 could add nothing in terms of new maps or modes or whatever and still be a AAA+ game. You know how? By making an amazing game like this thread is trying to say. Halo 3 could add very little but make it's SP the most brilliantly planned and structure campaign ever as well as it's MP.

It's all in how you do something first and foremost in the creative world. I can come up with every new gimmick and innovation on earth but if I can't utilize it well and master it and implement it great it's all pointless

Seriously. I loves me some FPS. Really, it is about the only genre of gaming that I really like (outside soccer). But if you look at one FPS game, your essentially looking at all FPS games. Sure, athsetics change. The look and feel of each should be unique to itself in some way, but I don't think anyone should play FPS games and expect to get anything other than a FPS game.

Not seeing anything new or "innovative" doesn't mean the game will suffer. Often, in the case of sequels, it actually insures that you can expect the same great experience as its prequel.

Look at Bioshock - basically it is an underwater, shorter Oblivion. Resistance FOM - basically MOH with uglier Nazis. Does that hurt either game? No. They're both outstanding FPSs. If you're looking for innovation in an FPS, look at its presentation; its story. That is where the real innovation lies in this genre - the way the game presents itself in order for you to invest emotionally in the experience.

For Halo, I expect a Halo experience. It works. Why would you want to tinker with it?

Seriously. I loves me some FPS. Really, it is about the only genre of gaming that I really like (outside soccer). But if you look at one FPS game, your essentially looking at all FPS games. Sure, athsetics change. The look and feel of each should be unique to itself in some way, but I don't think anyone should play FPS games and expect to get anything other than a FPS game.

Not seeing anything new or "innovative" doesn't mean the game will suffer. Often, in the case of sequels, it actually insures that you can expect the same great experience as its prequel.

Look at Bioshock - basically it is an underwater, shorter Oblivion. Resistance FOM - basically MOH with uglier Nazis. Does that hurt either game? No. They're both outstanding FPSs. If you're looking for innovation in an FPS, look at its presentation; its story. That is where the real innovation lies in this genre - the way the game presents itself in order for you to invest emotionally in the experience.

For Halo, I expect a Halo experience. It works. Why would you want to tinker with it?

slduncanlaw

Exactly!!! I'm actually writing a game trilogy that really focuses on bringing the gamer into the game emotionally because the story is probably something you'd see in a film. Well actually I gonna make a screenplay out of it but decided to make it into a story for a game instead cause it meant I could do so much more in terms of story and art design cause what I have in mind would cost way too much in typical studio budgets now a days

The future of gaming should be focus on storylines and I think Bioshock is innovative if you wanna call it lol In that respect. Cause it really hooks you in unlike most games

Whatever helps you lems sleep at night. :roll:

I'm considered a Sheep around here, but I didn't want to play MP3 because of the rehash and the boredom I got from the last game. Sometimes a change is needed. It was hyped AAA here because last two scored that. It flopped and got an 8.5...which I hope will happen to Halo 2.5...I mean..3.

[QUOTE="slduncanlaw"]

Seriously. I loves me some FPS. Really, it is about the only genre of gaming that I really like (outside soccer). But if you look at one FPS game, your essentially looking at all FPS games. Sure, athsetics change. The look and feel of each should be unique to itself in some way, but I don't think anyone should play FPS games and expect to get anything other than a FPS game.

Not seeing anything new or "innovative" doesn't mean the game will suffer. Often, in the case of sequels, it actually insures that you can expect the same great experience as its prequel.

Look at Bioshock - basically it is an underwater, shorter Oblivion. Resistance FOM - basically MOH with uglier Nazis. Does that hurt either game? No. They're both outstanding FPSs. If you're looking for innovation in an FPS, look at its presentation; its story. That is where the real innovation lies in this genre - the way the game presents itself in order for you to invest emotionally in the experience.

For Halo, I expect a Halo experience. It works. Why would you want to tinker with it?

kcpp2b

Exactly!!! I'm actually writing a game trilogy that really focuses on bringing the gamer into the game emotionally because the story is probably something you'd see in a film. Well actually I gonna make a screenplay out of it but decided to make it into a story for a game instead cause it meant I could do so much more in terms of story and art design cause what I have in mind would cost way too much in typical studio budgets now a days

The future of gaming should be focus on storylines and I think Bioshock is innovative if you wanna call it lol In that respect. Cause it really hooks you in unlike most games

No. Video games main focus should gameplay and ALWAYS gameplay. If the main focus was "story"we'll have a bunch of games like Shenmue and Lair in the future.

If you want a good story...read a book or watch a movie.

How do you overly innovate Halo without having to change something in the stories or mechanics of the world? I mean, its easy to talk about innovation if its the first of a series or there isnt much established in the universe yet, but not when its the 3rd...MC gonna start riding magic carpet and shoot fire from the palms of his hands down at his enemies? They could do some innovative thing to AI or something but other than that one is pretty hard pressed to find something to magically fit into an established world.

[QUOTE="slduncanlaw"]

Seriously. I loves me some FPS. Really, it is about the only genre of gaming that I really like (outside soccer). But if you look at one FPS game, your essentially looking at all FPS games. Sure, athsetics change. The look and feel of each should be unique to itself in some way, but I don't think anyone should play FPS games and expect to get anything other than a FPS game.

Not seeing anything new or "innovative" doesn't mean the game will suffer. Often, in the case of sequels, it actually insures that you can expect the same great experience as its prequel.

Look at Bioshock - basically it is an underwater, shorter Oblivion. Resistance FOM - basically MOH with uglier Nazis. Does that hurt either game? No. They're both outstanding FPSs. If you're looking for innovation in an FPS, look at its presentation; its story. That is where the real innovation lies in this genre - the way the game presents itself in order for you to invest emotionally in the experience.

For Halo, I expect a Halo experience. It works. Why would you want to tinker with it?

kcpp2b

Exactly!!! I'm actually writing a game trilogy that really focuses on bringing the gamer into the game emotionally because the story is probably something you'd see in a film. Well actually I gonna make a screenplay out of it but decided to make it into a story for a game instead cause it meant I could do so much more in terms of story and art design cause what I have in mind would cost way too much in typical studio budgets now a days

The future of gaming should be focus on storylines and I think Bioshock is innovative if you wanna call it lol In that respect. Cause it really hooks you in unlike most games

The film and VG industry are now taking very similar production paths. I used to play a bit in the film industry. VGs have become a viable method of protraying a story to an audience, as obviously you know. I think that story telling, in this industry, is the second most important aspect of modern games, behind gameplay.

How do you overly innovate Halo without having to change something in the stories or mechanics of the world? I mean, its easy to talk about innovative if its the first of a series or there isnt much established in the universe yet, but not when its the 3rd...MC gonna start riding magic carpet and shoot fire from the palms of his hands down at his enemies? They could do some innovative thing to AI or something but other than that one is pretty hard pressed to find something to magically fit into an established world.

MrGrimFandango

Exactly. The 3rd one is going to be the end of that trilogy. If MS and Bungie decide to make a 4th game, you can bet it will probably be different than the other 3. Of course Halo Wars is coming out next year, but I don't think Bungie is developing it.

I've always said the hype of Halo 3 doesn't match the game

That's what everybody is upset about.

This game is getting more hype than any other game in history and what does it have to show for all the hype? Slightly improved graphics, new weapons, new vehicles and forge.

No doubt it will be fun and addicting for Halo fans but the hype is out of control and its making people almost hate the game.

Why? Because you got 360 fanboys running every saying "Halo is going to be on the Cover of Time" "Halo will sale 10 million 360s" "Sony is scared of Halo!" "Halo 3 most preordered ever!""Halo is going to bury the PS3!" "Halo Halo Halo!!1!!"

And behind all this hype? New weapons, vehicles, slightly improved graphics, 4 player co-op and forge.

Ever wonder why pretty much everyone considers Halo the most overrated game series ever? Because it gets far too much hype, not because the games aren't good.

No. Video games main focus should gameplay and ALWAYS gameplay. If the main focus was "story"we'll have a bunch of games like Shenmue and Lair in the future.

If you want a good story...read a book or watch a movie.

majadamus

I never said main thing should be story. And btw I think it's dumb to say go watch a movie or read a book for stories. It's the same thing people probably said back in the days when TV was JUST starting out. For real stories go listen to a good horror radio program.

I hate that kind of thinking. Gaming and the future of gaming will have bigger and better stories. With games like MGS2 and KOTOR as example of good stories IMO.

Whatever helps you lems sleep at night. :roll:

I'm considered a Sheep around here, but I didn't want to play MP3 because of the rehash and the boredom I got from the last game. Sometimes a change is needed. It was hyped AAA here because last two scored that. It flopped and got an 8.5...which I hope will happen to Halo 2.5...I mean..3.

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="slduncanlaw"]

Seriously. I loves me some FPS. Really, it is about the only genre of gaming that I really like (outside soccer). But if you look at one FPS game, your essentially looking at all FPS games. Sure, athsetics change. The look and feel of each should be unique to itself in some way, but I don't think anyone should play FPS games and expect to get anything other than a FPS game.

Not seeing anything new or "innovative" doesn't mean the game will suffer. Often, in the case of sequels, it actually insures that you can expect the same great experience as its prequel.

Look at Bioshock - basically it is an underwater, shorter Oblivion. Resistance FOM - basically MOH with uglier Nazis. Does that hurt either game? No. They're both outstanding FPSs. If you're looking for innovation in an FPS, look at its presentation; its story. That is where the real innovation lies in this genre - the way the game presents itself in order for you to invest emotionally in the experience.

For Halo, I expect a Halo experience. It works. Why would you want to tinker with it?

majadamus

Exactly!!! I'm actually writing a game trilogy that really focuses on bringing the gamer into the game emotionally because the story is probably something you'd see in a film. Well actually I gonna make a screenplay out of it but decided to make it into a story for a game instead cause it meant I could do so much more in terms of story and art design cause what I have in mind would cost way too much in typical studio budgets now a days

The future of gaming should be focus on storylines and I think Bioshock is innovative if you wanna call it lol In that respect. Cause it really hooks you in unlike most games

No. Video games main focus should gameplay and ALWAYS gameplay. If the main focus was "story"we'll have a bunch of games like Shenmue and Lair in the future.

If you want a good story...read a book or watch a movie.

What's wrong with games like Shenmue? :? I mean, there are definitely some flaws, but I found it really engaging.

There is no reason that games can't have good stories, and there is no reason why they should be restricted from attempting them. A great story told well in a game can make for as memorable and exciting an experience as a game with fantastic gameplay.

ive been looking for the article gs made on their review policy but i cant seem to find it. anyway, it does say that innovation is a big factor in the review. anyone who has a link to gs' review policy would be a great help. but i can tell you arent convinced and you are going list some more movie and television show examples like you have been for every post. in your case, dont even bother with reading the reviews, because it looks like you are willing to buy halo 2 with better graphics(whether it turns out this way is yet to be seen, but bungie has not announced any major changes).LoG-Sacrament

You kidding me with that kind of post?

Innovation is part of the reviews for games but it is innovation based on PAST FREAKING GAMES IN THE SERIES!!!!

How can they rate games based on innovation on the entire realm of FPS's are you kidding me? That would be insane. MP3 was compared to other MP games not to every other game in the FPS realm known to man.

I used my examples with movies and tv cause they made SENSE...guess you don't get it or something.

Makes you wonder why Halo 3 fanboys bash Killzone 2 for not bringing anything new. >_oCedmln

rofl, after getting a 6.9 you'd better hope it will bring something new.

You've gotta love cows; Halo is nothing special, but Resistance and Killzone are just awesome.

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]ive been looking for the article gs made on their review policy but i cant seem to find it. anyway, it does say that innovation is a big factor in the review. anyone who has a link to gs' review policy would be a great help. but i can tell you arent convinced and you are going list some more movie and television show examples like you have been for every post. in your case, dont even bother with reading the reviews, because it looks like you are willing to buy halo 2 with better graphics(whether it turns out this way is yet to be seen, but bungie has not announced any major changes).kcpp2b

You kidding me with that kind of post?

Innovation is part of the reviews for games but it is innovation based on PAST FREAKING GAMES IN THE SERIES!!!!

How can they rate games based on innovation on the entire realm of FPS's are you kidding me? That would be insane. MP3 was compared to other MP games not to every other game in the FPS realm known to man.

I used my examples with movies and tv cause they made SENSE...guess you don't get it or something.

*sighs* okay im going to explain this one more time. and if you dont get it, then too bad. ive already made the point of innovation compaired to past games(really go look at my previous posts because im pretty sure you didnt read but instead posted a bunch of movies and tv shows. halo 2 added online and dual wielding: gets AAA. halo 3 addsnothing substantial:very good posibility it wont getAAA, especially withgs cracking downon reviews lately). but i know that you wont listen, and im truly happy that you love the halo franchise, but you should should brace yourself incase it doesnt get AAA. post what you want. ive tried reasoniing with you.

EDIT btw i suggest you read the R;fom of man review. could be insiteful

You've gotta love cows; Halo is nothing special, but Resistance and Killzone are just awesome.

Ninja-Vox

LMAO!!! :lol:

Can you really blame them? They don't have much of anything else, besides maybe UT3, which will be better on the PC and is coming to the 360. Next up for them is Haze and after it crashes and burns, they will probably say it is better than Halo as well, LOL!!! :lol:

You've gotta love cows; Halo is nothing special, but Resistance and Killzone are just awesome.

Ninja-Vox

Yeah I mean, I liked Killzone and probably will R:FOM but you can use the same BS argument over innovation with those games could you not?

Makes you wonder why Halo 3 fanboys bash Killzone 2 for not bringing anything new. >_oCedmln

i could consider myself a halo fanboy but i dont bash killzone 2... when my friends tell me it will suck because killzone 1 was bad i tell them to give it a chance... if killzone 2 is better than halo id be quite amazed though.... but id still love it... competition is great.

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]i do remember TP and mp3 not getting AAA here on gs because they werent innovative enough. im just saying that you should brace yourself incase halo 3 misses AAA. kcpp2b

No that was based on it's own series. They didn't say MP3 wasn't innovative enough as a FPS compared to all others it is compared to its past games.

Again you don't have to be innovative to a great movie or game or tv show. You just gotta take the elements you're using and do it great.

Good example is Kill Bill. It's basically a movie full of elements and art styles from other genres, directors, eras etc.... but it worked great IMO and was a good movie. I didn't cry out... "Where is teh innovation" lol

Agreed, but thats what Metroid Prime 3 did (it pulled all the elements together into a great game), and was unfairly scored off. I'm not surprised its AAA at GameRankings though. Retro did a wonderfull job getting alot out of Wii's graphical limitations, and taking advantage of the controller as well.

The problem I always had with the original Halo was the level design, which just seemed very lazily done. I also didn't like the lack of variation in enemies for much of the game. Nevertheless i did give it a 9.1 because it had its share of good qualities as well.

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]ive been looking for the article gs made on their review policy but i cant seem to find it. anyway, it does say that innovation is a big factor in the review. anyone who has a link to gs' review policy would be a great help. but i can tell you arent convinced and you are going list some more movie and television show examples like you have been for every post. in your case, dont even bother with reading the reviews, because it looks like you are willing to buy halo 2 with better graphics(whether it turns out this way is yet to be seen, but bungie has not announced any major changes).LoG-Sacrament

You kidding me with that kind of post?

Innovation is part of the reviews for games but it is innovation based on PAST FREAKING GAMES IN THE SERIES!!!!

How can they rate games based on innovation on the entire realm of FPS's are you kidding me? That would be insane. MP3 was compared to other MP games not to every other game in the FPS realm known to man.

I used my examples with movies and tv cause they made SENSE...guess you don't get it or something.

*sighs* okay im going to explain this one more time. and if you dont get it, then too bad. ive already made the point of innovation compaired to past games(really go look at my previous posts because im pretty sure you didnt read but instead posted a bunch of movies and tv shows. halo 2 added online and dual wielding: gets AAA. halo 3 addsnothing substantial:very good posibility it wont getAAA, especially withgs cracking downon reviews lately). but i know that you wont listen, and im truly happy that you love the halo franchise, but you should should brace yourself incase it doesnt get AAA. post what you want. ive tried reasoniing with you.

EDIT btw i suggest you read the R;fom of man review. could be insiteful

:lol: Yeah ok. Oh teach me me will you sir... I just can't listen cause I'm so confused

Tell it to the halo fan boys that say "halo is the best, most innovative game EVER on ALL platforms".out0v0rder

Please dont lie. Halo fans don't say it's the most innovative game ever. Lemmings do. Don't push what a few say as some kind of fact here

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

You've gotta love cows; Halo is nothing special, but Resistance and Killzone are just awesome.

eastside49er

LMAO!!! :lol:

Can you really blame them? They don't have much of anything else, besides maybe UT3, which will be better on the PC and is coming to the 360. Next up for them is Haze and after it crashes and burns, they will probably say it is better than Halo as well, LOL!!! :lol:

i wouldnt crap on haze just yet... it looks promising. no halo thats for sure but i think it will be strong AA from what ive seen. dont count it out yet.

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[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]ive been looking for the article gs made on their review policy but i cant seem to find it. anyway, it does say that innovation is a big factor in the review. anyone who has a link to gs' review policy would be a great help. but i can tell you arent convinced and you are going list some more movie and television show examples like you have been for every post. in your case, dont even bother with reading the reviews, because it looks like you are willing to buy halo 2 with better graphics(whether it turns out this way is yet to be seen, but bungie has not announced any major changes).LoG-Sacrament

You kidding me with that kind of post?

Innovation is part of the reviews for games but it is innovation based on PAST FREAKING GAMES IN THE SERIES!!!!

How can they rate games based on innovation on the entire realm of FPS's are you kidding me? That would be insane. MP3 was compared to other MP games not to every other game in the FPS realm known to man.

I used my examples with movies and tv cause they made SENSE...guess you don't get it or something.

*sighs* okay im going to explain this one more time. and if you dont get it, then too bad. ive already made the point of innovation compaired to past games(really go look at my previous posts because im pretty sure you didnt read but instead posted a bunch of movies and tv shows. halo 2 added online and dual wielding: gets AAA. halo 3 addsnothing substantial:very good posibility it wont getAAA, especially withgs cracking downon reviews lately). but i know that you wont listen, and im truly happy that you love the halo franchise, but you should should brace yourself incase it doesnt get AAA. post what you want. ive tried reasoniing with you.

EDIT btw i suggest you read the R;fom of man review. could be insiteful

What would be susbstantial, then? I guess the equipment doesn't equate to dual wielding? I guess the changes that Bungie made to the online, with a custom games lobby, online co-op, and Forge are meaningless? Creating the infrastructure to easily share gametypes and videos? Having a way to save films that creates smaller files while giving more data surely doesn't help. And what do new weapons, vehicles, and grenades do for gameplay anyways?

Seriously, what do you want from them? The amount of new features and improvements is staggering.