"Ms should drop the 360, Wm."

Even as the company hypes Natal and its new mobile software, Windows Phone7, investors don't expect smash hits; in fact, they'd settle for small losses on these and other gadgets. "It's hard to make the case this has been a good use of shareholder capital," says Todd S. Lowenstein, who runs HighMark Capital's value fund. "I don't fault them for trying this stuff, but investors are getting impatient." Other investors suggest that, like IBM (IBM) a decade ago, Microsoft should refocus its efforts on its massively profitable PC and corporate software businesses. Its cash from operations last quarter alone was $7.4billion, a company record. Yet its shares are down about 50percent since Steve Ballmer took over as CEO on Jan.13, 2000. "The stock would go up if Microsoft exited its consumer businesses," says Bill Whyman of ISI Group.

Bussinesweek.

Makes sense.

sounds like a bad case of greed on the investors part. Money, money, money, it's just a shame it's this way. I don't understand all this stuff the way I should. I will say however that micro should stick it out and try one more generation. It's good to have competition. Just imagine what it would be like if it were just sony and nintendo. Yuck.

Good idea. The gaming industry has been in a worse state ever since the xbox was released. MS should stick to making windows 8

Good idea. The gaming industry has been in a worse state ever since the xbox was released. MS should stick to making windows 8

Aku101

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

Good idea. The gaming industry has been in a worse state ever since the xbox was released. MS should stick to making windows 8

-RocBoys9489-

It's pretty common sense to put internet multiplayer on consoles :|

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

Good idea. The gaming industry has been in a worse state ever since the xbox was released. MS should stick to making windows 8

-RocBoys9489-

And i hate it. free online and updates with dedicated servers with whatever hardware you want >>>...>>> being nickled-dimed to play games on outdated closed hardware.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Good idea. The gaming industry has been in a worse state ever since the xbox was released. MS should stick to making windows 8

Aku101

It's pretty common sense to put internet multiplayer on consoles :|

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Good idea. The gaming industry has been in a worse state ever since the xbox was released. MS should stick to making windows 8

Aku101

It's pretty common sense to put internet multiplayer on consoles :|

But MS innovated.. by charging montlhy fee for it!

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Xbox LIVE + Halo 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing PS2 by yourself. I love what MS has done for console gaming.-RocBoys9489-

It's pretty common sense to put internet multiplayer on consoles :|

The Dreamcast sure had.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Xbox LIVE + Halo 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing PS2 by yourself. I love what MS has done for console gaming.-RocBoys9489-

It's pretty common sense to put internet multiplayer on consoles :|

I'm just going to point out that the Dreamcast had online play before the Xbox.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

Good idea. The gaming industry has been in a worse state ever since the xbox was released. MS should stick to making windows 8

-RocBoys9489-

PS3 would have had online anyways.

wii prolly wouldn't.

xbox 360is the best console this gen.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Xbox LIVE + Halo 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing PS2 by yourself. I love what MS has done for console gaming.-RocBoys9489-

It's pretty common sense to put internet multiplayer on consoles :|

which it did :lol:

Old, I believe.Salt_The_Fries

Not that I agree with the article, because I don't.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

It's pretty common sense to put internet multiplayer on consoles :|

Aku101

which it did :lol:

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Xbox LIVE + Halo 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing PS2 by yourself. I love what MS has done for console gaming.-RocBoys9489-

It's pretty common sense to put internet multiplayer on consoles :|

The PS2 did.:| ... and The Dreamcast had it before the PS2, seganet anyone?

Also, I would like to point out LIVE is disabled for Xbox now, that's the problem with a closed off network, as the PS2 still has online titles still. So the PS2 started before the Xbox, and ended after. That's how history will record it.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

It's pretty common sense to put internet multiplayer on consoles :|

SolidTy

It did.:|

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Yea because PS2 had online before Xbox :lol:-RocBoys9489-

It did.:|

What's your point? You were still able to play online on the PS2. :|

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]

Aku101 - It's pretty common sense to put internet multiplayer on consoles :|

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Yea because PS2 had online before Xbox :lol:-RocBoys9489-

The PS2 did. ... and The Dreamcast had it before the PS2, seganet anyone?

Also, I would like to point out LIVE is disabled for Xbox now, that's the problem with a closed off network, as the PS2 still has online titles still. So the PS2 started before the Xbox, and ended after. That's how history will record it.

Well, you can check you'd like, but I actually lived through those days playing those games, Check 3rd Party game Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 (Online on PS2, not on Xbox), SOCOM : U.S. Navy Seals...and remember too, EA games (Madden, NBA Live, NHL, Tiger Woods, Nascar, Fight Night, etc.) were all online only on the PS2 back then, not on Xbox. SPORTS games are a HUGE part of the market, around 50%...that's HUGE. Then EA's non Sports games like James Bond, Medal of Honor, etc...those were again only online on PS2.

Of course, Sega themselves offered NBA 2K, NFL 2K, NHL 2K, on BOTH consoles (Xbox and PS2), as did activsion with their Call of Duty games, but you get the idea.

I'm not saying Xbox didn't push Online, it obviously did, but you are wrong about when the PS2 went online, and how hard Sony pushed online as well. 1st party games like SOCOM, Champions of Norrath, Ratchet & Clank 3, Jak X and more were also online.Then random PC games like TRIBES could also be found online on PS2 as well, a Jetpack First Person Shooter.

Halo 2 was great online, but it came out Holiday 2004, a mere one year later the 360 came out!

It wouldn't be the first time that a major site like Gamespot, or in this case IGN reported inaccurately, if IGN did indeed actualy post that. The writer was simply wrong.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

It did.:|

Aku101

What's your point? You were still able to play online on the PS2. :|

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

It's pretty common sense to put internet multiplayer on consoles :|

Aku101

which it did :lol:

It did, but Microsoft's Halo 2was the killer app that pushed online console gaming to the forefront.

It may have been common sense and would have happened regardless, but the fact of the matter is Microsoft can safely claim credit for pushing online console gaming into the mainstream.

As for the article - I thought Microsoft's entertainment division, the one responsible for the Xbox and Zune brands (And presumably the Windows 7 phones) was posting profits?

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Let me check and see, I read a VERY old IGN article from like 2002 and it was talking about Sony being late to launch their online service after LIVE came out.-RocBoys9489-

What's your point? You were still able to play online on the PS2. :|

You have admitted that there was online play for the PS2, hence voiding all your arguments.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Yea because PS2 had online before Xbox :lol:Kickinurass

which it did :lol:

It did, but Microsoft's Halo 2was the killer app that pushed online console gaming to the forefront.

It may have been common sense and would have happened regardless, but the fact of the matter is Microsoft can safely claim credit for pushing online console gaming into the mainstream.

As for the article - I thought Microsoft's entertainment division, the one responsible for the Xbox and Zune brands (And presumably the Windows 7 phones) was posting profits?

Halo 2 came out Holiday 2004 (The Last Great Xbox game). Xbox 360 came out one year later, in Holiday 2005.

Online was already massive, and Halo 2 was actually way late to the party to be honest.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

What's your point? You were still able to play online on the PS2. :|

Vesica_Prime

You have admitted that there was online play for the PS2, hence voiding all your arguments.

I think MS needs to get out of the gaming world. They are the cancer of gaming, nickel & diming everything, milking games, hyping games, they started alot of the issues gaming does not need.04dcarraher

And you think that other companies like Sony don't do that, huh?:roll:

Anyway, MS isn't going to go away anytime soon.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] NOBODY played PS2 online! :P What was there, Socom!? That's really about it! Oh, those were some great times playing Killzone 1 online haha please-RocBoys9489-

You have admitted that there was online play for the PS2, hence voiding all your arguments.

WoW.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

You have admitted that there was online play for the PS2, hence voiding all your arguments.

loco145

WoW.

And Counter-Strike, Team-Fortress Classic, Unreal Tournament, Quake III, Ultima Online, Everquest.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

which it did :lol:

SolidTy

It did, but Microsoft's Halo 2was the killer app that pushed online console gaming to the forefront.

It may have been common sense and would have happened regardless, but the fact of the matter is Microsoft can safely claim credit for pushing online console gaming into the mainstream.

As for the article - I thought Microsoft's entertainment division, the one responsible for the Xbox and Zune brands (And presumably the Windows 7 phones) was posting profits?

Halo 2 came out Holiday 2004 (The Last Great Xbox game). Xbox 360 came out one year later, in Holiday 2005.

Online was already massive, and Halo 2 was actually way late to the party to be honest.

edit: BAM! I think I got it right :P

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="loco145"]

WoW.

-RocBoys9489-

And Counter-Strike, Team-Fortress Classic, Unreal Tournament, Quake III, Ultima Online, Everquest.

Quake III, Counter-Strike, Unreal Tournament were on consoles.

And did you really need to get on the insults? It just shows that you fail to use statistics and logic therefor resorting to primitive attacks that do not persuade anyone in any way, shape or form.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

It did, but Microsoft's Halo 2was the killer app that pushed online console gaming to the forefront.

It may have been common sense and would have happened regardless, but the fact of the matter is Microsoft can safely claim credit for pushing online console gaming into the mainstream.

As for the article - I thought Microsoft's entertainment division, the one responsible for the Xbox and Zune brands (And presumably the Windows 7 phones) was posting profits?

-RocBoys9489-

Halo 2 came out Holiday 2004 (The Last Great Xbox game). Xbox 360 came out one year later, in Holiday 2005.

Online was already massive, and Halo 2 was actually way late to the party to be honest.

edit: BAM! I think I got it right :P

I didn't forget about those games, I own Crimson Skies, Mechassault, Phantom Dust, my post wasn't about those games. Sony has pushed Online hardcore, I just don't think people realized it or thought about it. Obviously, I'm not saying Xbox didn't push it or do their part, what I'm saying is that Online console gaming was already huge before Halo 2 jumped into the party...this generation was already over at that point.I was apart of that whole era and I played all those games with thousands of people. It was massive. Is online gaming bigger today? Well, of course. I'm not saying otherwise.

I think Xbox did a great job, and pushed it the hardest, and I am not arguing that otherwise, I just am saying Online gaming was already huge before Halo 2 arrived with millions already online on PS2 and millions more on Xbox Live for Xbox. EA's games were only online on PS2 back then, that was a huge push on Sony's part, and they did try to compete. That's why so many games were online on both machines, instead of Xbox online only.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Yea because PS2 had online before Xbox :lol:-RocBoys9489-

which it did :lol:

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Halo 2 came out Holiday 2004 (The Last Great Xbox game). Xbox 360 came out one year later, in Holiday 2005.

Online was already massive, and Halo 2 was actually way late to the party to be honest.

SolidTy

edit: BAM! I think I got it right :P

I didn't forget about those games, I own Crimson Skies, Mechassault, Phantom Dust, my post wasn't about those games. Sony has pushed Online hardcore, I just don't think people realized it or thought about it. Obviously, I'm not saying Xbox didn't push it or do their part, what I'm saying is that Online console gaming was already huge before Halo 2 jumped into the party...this generation was already over at that point.I was apart of that whole era and I played all those games with thousands of people. It was massive. Is online gaming bigger today? Well, of course. I'm not saying otherwise.

Can I ask you a question? Why do you refer to Microsoft as Xbox?

Xbox LIVE + Halo 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing PS2 by yourself. I love what MS has done for console gaming.-RocBoys9489-

It's pretty common sense to put internet multiplayer on consoles :|

As much as I dislike the X-box, I think its important to have it in the console wars. All 3 systems might share similar capabilities but there is no question that all 3 have different aspects, target markets, features, goals...ect I think having a third console maker really levels the playing field and gives a great over all prospective for the industry.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Good idea. The gaming industry has been in a worse state ever since the xbox was released. MS should stick to making windows 8

loco145

And i hate it. free online and updates with dedicated servers with whatever hardware you want >>>...>>> being nickled-dimed to play games on outdated closed hardware.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

which it did :lol:

SolidTy

It did, but Microsoft's Halo 2was the killer app that pushed online console gaming to the forefront.

It may have been common sense and would have happened regardless, but the fact of the matter is Microsoft can safely claim credit for pushing online console gaming into the mainstream.

As for the article - I thought Microsoft's entertainment division, the one responsible for the Xbox and Zune brands (And presumably the Windows 7 phones) was posting profits?

Halo 2 came out Holiday 2004 (The Last Great Xbox game). Xbox 360 came out one year later, in Holiday 2005.

Online was already massive, and Halo 2 was actually way late to the party to be honest.

Massive in which way? Sincere question - I can't think of any other console that gathered as much attention as Halo 2. I'll admit was playing other games over LIVE at the time Halo 2 come out, but I honestly believe that Halo 2 was the defining game for Xbox Live and online console gaming in general. It was streamlined and widely addicting. My memory of early PSN is fuzzy - but I distinctly remember it being an disconnected afterthougt for the most part.

In response to Aku's post - Microsoft can't claim they invented console online, but they sure can say that they pushed it forward moreso than any of their competitors at the time. Even if you ignore Halo 2, Microsoft's LIVE platform was a substantial upgrade over early PSN, though I can't talk about Dreamcast because I never connected the machine to the internet.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

And Counter-Strike, Team-Fortress Classic, Unreal Tournament, Quake III, Ultima Online, Everquest.

Vesica_Prime

Quake III, Counter-Strike, Unreal Tournament were on consoles.

And did you really need to get on the insults? It just shows that you fail to use statistics and logic therefor resorting to primitive attacks that do not persuade anyone in any way, shape or form.

i happen to like the xbox brand, so i personally hope that MS stay in the console business,in the long run the copetition is good for gaming, and to all those people saying MS ruined gaming, Really?, like you lot would know the direction gaming would have taken had MS not entered the console market,loldelta3074

[QUOTE="delta3074"]i happen to like the xbox brand, so i personally hope that MS stay in the console business,in the long run the copetition is good for gaming, and to all those people saying MS ruined gaming, Really?, like you lot would know the direction gaming would have taken had MS not entered the console market,lollucky_star

[QUOTE="lucky_star"][QUOTE="delta3074"]i happen to like the xbox brand, so i personally hope that MS stay in the console business,in the long run the copetition is good for gaming, and to all those people saying MS ruined gaming, Really?, like you lot would know the direction gaming would have taken had MS not entered the console market,lollocopatho

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

It did, but Microsoft's Halo 2was the killer app that pushed online console gaming to the forefront.

It may have been common sense and would have happened regardless, but the fact of the matter is Microsoft can safely claim credit for pushing online console gaming into the mainstream.

As for the article - I thought Microsoft's entertainment division, the one responsible for the Xbox and Zune brands (And presumably the Windows 7 phones) was posting profits?

Kickinurass

Halo 2 came out Holiday 2004 (The Last Great Xbox game). Xbox 360 came out one year later, in Holiday 2005.

Online was already massive, and Halo 2 was actually way late to the party to be honest.

Massive in which way? Sincere question - I can't think of any other console that gathered as much attention as Halo 2. I'll admit was playing other games over LIVE at the time Halo 2 come out, but I honestly believe that Halo 2 was the defining game for Xbox Live and online console gaming in general. It was streamlined and widely addicting. My memory of early PSN is fuzzy - but I distinctly remember it being an disconnected afterthougt for the most part.

In response to Aku's post - Microsoft can't claim they invented console online, but they sure can say that they pushed it forward moreso than any of their competitors at the time. Even if you ignore Halo 2, Microsoft's LIVE platform was a substantial upgrade over early PSN, though I can't talk about Dreamcast because I never connected the machine to the internet.

edit: and about greenberg's comment about Halo 3's sales today, I think that really says a lot

[QUOTE="delta3074"]i happen to like the xbox brand, so i personally hope that MS stay in the console business,in the long run the copetition is good for gaming, and to all those people saying MS ruined gaming, Really?, like you lot would know the direction gaming would have taken had MS not entered the console market,lollucky_star

Last gen media format. Well, what did you expect them to use back in 2005? They weren't going to delay their system for another year just for either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray.

No Wifi included. Who uses Wi-Fi? I don't. A wired connection is always better than wireless for online gaming.

Overpriced accesories. And Sony doesn't do the same thing back with PS1 & PS2? Please.

Worst designed console in gaming history (RROD,DRE,E74) And Sony also had consoles that were designed badly, such as the DRE, & the Blu-Ray lasers wearing down each time that you're playing a Blu-Ray movie on it, etc.

My replies in bold above.

Yea because PS2 had online before Xbox :lol:-RocBoys9489-

which it did :lol: