[QUOTE="Led_poison"]How exactly does Nvidia>ATI when ATI is just pushing back the realease date on its products?GermanShepard06
cuz nvidia will be ahead by far in dx10 video cards.
Considering dx10 is next to nothing right now, and the 8800 products hold less then .5 percent of the market...I don't think it's wise to call any assumptions.
[QUOTE="Led_poison"]How exactly does Nvidia>ATI when ATI is just pushing back the realease date on its products?mutenpika
The R600 may pwn the 8800 GTX, but will it pwn the 9800 GTX? What if ATI gets pushed back a whole generation?
Besides, Nvidia cards work. Can't say the same about my ATI cards.
LOL! Get pushed back a whole generation... The fact is there aren't even enough games out right now that even utilize DX10 for it to make a difference. This is going to be the same thing that happens every year, year after year. Company A releases a card first, B releases better card later, A releases an even better card, B releases a way better card! Rinse and repeat with price drops and different variations inserted.
[QUOTE="mutenpika"][QUOTE="Led_poison"]How exactly does Nvidia>ATI when ATI is just pushing back the realease date on its products?oidmusic
The R600 may pwn the 8800 GTX, but will it pwn the 9800 GTX? What if ATI gets pushed back a whole generation?
Besides, Nvidia cards work. Can't say the same about my ATI cards.
LOL! Get pushed back a whole generation... The fact is there aren't even enough games out right now that even utilize DX10 for it to make a difference. This is going to be the same thing that happens every year, year after year. Company A releases a card first, B releases better card later, A releases an even better card, B releases a way better card! Rinse and repeat with price drops and different variations inserted.
True. I'm not giving ATI enough credit, seeing as their cards seem to work with other people. They always glitch up for me, and I've tried everything. Heck, even my Xbox 360's Xenos bugs on shadows.
I've always like Nvidia, though: they've been easy to deal with and navigate, and their cards have always served me well and faithfully. I've still got 3 GeForce 2 MX's in my parent's computers, and they've been chugging away wonderfully for a while. No glitches, nothing. The ATI card on my old laptop, though... spewed vertices all over the place. The ceilings in Rainbow Six 3 looked like moving spikes.
[QUOTE="mutenpika"][QUOTE="Led_poison"]How exactly does Nvidia>ATI when ATI is just pushing back the realease date on its products?oidmusic
The R600 may pwn the 8800 GTX, but will it pwn the 9800 GTX? What if ATI gets pushed back a whole generation?
Besides, Nvidia cards work. Can't say the same about my ATI cards.
LOL! Get pushed back a whole generation... The fact is there aren't even enough games out right now that even utilize DX10 for it to make a difference. This is going to be the same thing that happens every year, year after year. Company A releases a card first, B releases better card later, A releases an even better card, B releases a way better card! Rinse and repeat with price drops and different variations inserted.
I would beg to differ... 2 years ago this would be true... it was also around the same time AMD>INTEL
But things have shifted since then... NVIDIA and INTEL have responded spledidly against ATI and AMD in their respective markets.
[QUOTE="oidmusic"][QUOTE="mutenpika"][QUOTE="Led_poison"]How exactly does Nvidia>ATI when ATI is just pushing back the realease date on its products?Choad-Warrior
The R600 may pwn the 8800 GTX, but will it pwn the 9800 GTX? What if ATI gets pushed back a whole generation?
Besides, Nvidia cards work. Can't say the same about my ATI cards.
LOL! Get pushed back a whole generation... The fact is there aren't even enough games out right now that even utilize DX10 for it to make a difference. This is going to be the same thing that happens every year, year after year. Company A releases a card first, B releases better card later, A releases an even better card, B releases a way better card! Rinse and repeat with price drops and different variations inserted.
I would beg to differ... 2 years ago this would be true... it was also around the same time AMD>INTEL
But things have shifted since then... NVIDIA and INTEL have responded spledidly against ATI and AMD in their respective markets.
2 years ago ATI>NVIDIA; AMD>INTEL.
now NVIDIA>ATI; INTEL>AMD Intel is gonna release its own dedicated GPU in 08 they have already hired skilled GPU technicians.
well if console gamers can argue which is better, the ATI card or the NVIDIA card for their consoles... or which CPU is better.... then PC gamers can surely do the same.
[QUOTE="oidmusic"][QUOTE="mutenpika"][QUOTE="Led_poison"]How exactly does Nvidia>ATI when ATI is just pushing back the realease date on its products?Choad-Warrior
The R600 may pwn the 8800 GTX, but will it pwn the 9800 GTX? What if ATI gets pushed back a whole generation?
Besides, Nvidia cards work. Can't say the same about my ATI cards.
LOL! Get pushed back a whole generation... The fact is there aren't even enough games out right now that even utilize DX10 for it to make a difference. This is going to be the same thing that happens every year, year after year. Company A releases a card first, B releases better card later, A releases an even better card, B releases a way better card! Rinse and repeat with price drops and different variations inserted.
I would beg to differ... 2 years ago this would be true... it was also around the same time AMD>INTEL
But things have shifted since then... NVIDIA and INTEL have responded spledidly against ATI and AMD in their respective markets.
2 years ago ATI>NVIDIA; AMD>INTEL.
now NVIDIA>ATI; INTEL>AMD
I agree. GeForce 4 and FX were crap, and Intel couldn't make a chip to save their lives for the longest time. Then, WHAM! Along comes the 6800 and the Core 2 Duo, and everything changes.
Maybe they'll trade off and on. Besides, we have yet to see AMD's Barcelona... I used to be an AMD fanboy, but I started losing faith ever since I witnessed the true power of the Core 2 Duo... I hope they can win it back!
P.S: Your sig makes you 45x more awesome than everyone else in this forum.
Intel is gonna release its own dedicated GPU in 08 they have already hired skilled GPU technicians. Most likely it will merely be just strong on board GPU's
I doubt INTEL or AMD would be able to release even last gen level graphics card performance built into the motherboard for any reasonable pricing that would be viable to consumers.
Intel is gonna release its own dedicated GPU in 08 they have already hired skilled GPU technicians. Most likely it will merely be just strong on board GPU's
I doubt INTEL or AMD would be able to release even last gen level graphics card performance built into the motherboard for any reasonable pricing that would be viable to consumers. read my post again, intel is releasing a ***Dedicated*** GPU (PCI-E slot)
I agree. GeForce 4 and FX were crap, and Intel couldn't make a chip to save their lives for the longest time. Then, WHAM! Along comes the 6800 and the Core 2 Duo, and everything changes.
Maybe they'll trade off and on. Besides, we have yet to see AMD's Barcelona... I used to be an AMD fanboy, but I started losing faith ever since I witnessed the true power of the Core 2 Duo... I hope they can win it back!
P.S: Your sig makes you 45x more awesome than everyone else in this forum. mutenpika
Agreed... the P4EE was just overcharged and underdeveloped. All the muscle with no grace to take advantage of the strength.
As for NVIDIA... yeah... ATI just handed them a new one.
I wouldn't be shocked if they swapped... that is usually how these things go. But with Intels shifted development ideology... they may retain the edge for a while since they have the financial backing.
Ha ha ha, thanks. Though there was another poster I was aware of who used me tag... not sure where he went off to... I am off and on on the forums these days.
How Nvidia > ATI? Its the high end market, thats such a small market its rediculous to even think that high end market would decide the fate of a generation. If ATI is a couple months late after Nvidia releases its mid range / low end cards...then bump this thread.
Nvidia's Vista drivers are also terrible right now, especially SLI. This is more of an opportunity to fine tune.
u people need to know that nvidia is hiding something for the R600 when it comes out. Im sure its going to beat the 8800gtx by 20-25% but nvidia will come out with their own 512bit memory and 1ghz core.
How Nvidia > ATI? Its the high end market, thats such a small market its rediculous to even think that high end market would decide the fate of a generation. If ATI is a couple months late after Nvidia releases its mid range / low end cards...then bump this thread.
Nvidia's Vista drivers are also terrible right now, especially SLI. This is more of an opportunity to fine tune.
MrGrimFandango
I wouldn't fault Nvidia when it comes to Vista though... Vista is causing problems for a great many big name companies.
Agreed... the P4EE was just overcharged and underdeveloped. All the muscle with no grace to take advantage of the strength.
As for NVIDIA... yeah... ATI just handed them a new one.
I wouldn't be shocked if they swapped... that is usually how these things go. But with Intels shifted development ideology... they may retain the edge for a while since they have the financial backing.
Ha ha ha, thanks. Though there was another poster I was aware of who used me tag... not sure where he went off to... I am off and on on the forums these days. Choad-Warrior
Yeah, now that Intel's seen the light, there's gonna be a LOT of stiff competition in that market, meaning that consumers will only get the best of the best. Near the end of the P4's life cycle, even non-techie people were starting to see that there's more than just the "Pentium" brand out there, and now the 2 CPU companies will be locked in a furious battle for your dollars. This can mean nothing but good... no turbo-high clock speeds to look good on the box but be bottlenecked by everything else (P4), no heat-spewing power-crunching devils (Athlon XP). Â Semiconductors are on their way out with the improvements in quantum computing, but it looks like they'll go out with a bang.
How Nvidia > ATI? Its the high end market, thats such a small market its rediculous to even think that high end market would decide the fate of a generation. If ATI is a couple months late after Nvidia releases its mid range / low end cards...then bump this thread.
Nvidia's Vista drivers are also terrible right now, especially SLI. This is more of an opportunity to fine tune.
Choad-Warrior
I wouldn't fault Nvidia when it comes to Vista though... Vista is causing problems for a great many big name companies.
ATI's drivers are actually good in Vista...not great but better than Nvidia's..by a large margin.
Oh and for all we know the 8800's could be poor performers in DX10, FX anyone? Great at DX8 terrible in DX9.
How Nvidia > ATI? Its the high end market, thats such a small market its rediculous to even think that high end market would decide the fate of a generation. If ATI is a couple months late after Nvidia releases its mid range / low end cards...then bump this thread.
Nvidia's Vista drivers are also terrible right now, especially SLI. This is more of an opportunity to fine tune.
Choad-Warrior
I wouldn't fault Nvidia when it comes to Vista though... Vista is causing problems for a great many big name companies.
Creative, for example. I heard Vista eliminated the entire middle layer for sound, which is basically what EAX used. I have very little idea what that means (Oh, ignorant me!), but I know it's leaving all the audigy owners (me) out in the cold.
[QUOTE="Led_poison"]How exactly does Nvidia>ATI when ATI is just pushing back the realease date on its products?GermanShepard06
cuz nvidia will be ahead by far in dx10 video cards.
Nvidia has yet to release any final vista compatable drivers for any of their video cards... They are not ahead at all. infact... they are still behind.
Yeah, now that Intel's seen the light, there's gonna be a LOT of stiff competition in that market, meaning that consumers will only get the best of the best. Near the end of the P4's life cycle, even non-techie people were starting to see that there's more than just the "Pentium" brand out there, and now the 2 CPU companies will be locked in a furious battle for your dollars. This can mean nothing but good... no turbo-high clock speeds to look good on the box but be bottlenecked by everything else (P4), no heat-spewing power-crunching devils (Athlon XP).
Semiconductors are on their way out with the improvements in quantum computing, but it looks like they'll go out with a bang. mutenpika
Well Intel just demoed that 80 core CPU at 1 teraflop... yes in a desktop sized CPU... so there is a lot to be eager for. Of course programs would need to be coded to run off those cores. I think that is just nuts... a teraflop sitting on my desktop.
How Nvidia > ATI? Its the high end market, thats such a small market its rediculous to even think that high end market would decide the fate of a generation. If ATI is a couple months late after Nvidia releases its mid range / low end cards...then bump this thread.
Nvidia's Vista drivers are also terrible right now, especially SLI. This is more of an opportunity to fine tune.
MrGrimFandango
I wouldn't fault Nvidia when it comes to Vista though... Vista is causing problems for a great many big name companies.
ATI's drivers are actually good in Vista...not great but better than Nvidia's..by a large margin.
Oh and for all we know the 8800's could be poor performers in DX10, FX anyone? Great at DX8 terrible in DX9.
Ha ha... wow... the FX series... well they sorta redeemed that line with the 5950 ultra... I was running that thing, it performed well all things considered... then went crazy over the 6800 Ultra over clocked.. mmmm, goodness.
I am waiting for this DX10 and Vista bug stuff to be worked before I get a DX10 card.
Yeah, now that Intel's seen the light, there's gonna be a LOT of stiff competition in that market, meaning that consumers will only get the best of the best. Near the end of the P4's life cycle, even non-techie people were starting to see that there's more than just the "Pentium" brand out there, and now the 2 CPU companies will be locked in a furious battle for your dollars. This can mean nothing but good... no turbo-high clock speeds to look good on the box but be bottlenecked by everything else (P4), no heat-spewing power-crunching devils (Athlon XP).
Semiconductors are on their way out with the improvements in quantum computing, but it looks like they'll go out with a bang. Choad-Warrior
Well Intel just demoed that 80 core CPU at 1 teraflop... yes in a desktop sized CPU... so there is a lot to be eager for. Of course programs would need to be coded to run off those cores. I think that is just nuts... a teraflop sitting on my desktop.
It'd be quite a conversation piece, but I can't possibly picture myself using it to any degree of effectiveness. I already have to kick my second core off of System Shock 2 for it to run properly, and I can't imagine disabling the workings of 79 cores every time I start a game.
Maya, on the other hand... Maya would run insanely, if it could access all those cores. I hear Maya feeds on mre cores. Is that true?
As for the Athlon XP's heat... my brother was able to heat his room during winter with an open case and a stock Athlon XP 2400+.
How Nvidia > ATI? Its the high end market, thats such a small market its rediculous to even think that high end market would decide the fate of a generation. If ATI is a couple months late after Nvidia releases its mid range / low end cards...then bump this thread.
Nvidia's Vista drivers are also terrible right now, especially SLI. This is more of an opportunity to fine tune.
Choad-Warrior
I wouldn't fault Nvidia when it comes to Vista though... Vista is causing problems for a great many big name companies.
ATI's drivers are actually good in Vista...not great but better than Nvidia's..by a large margin.
Oh and for all we know the 8800's could be poor performers in DX10, FX anyone? Great at DX8 terrible in DX9.
Ha ha... wow... the FX series... well they sorta redeemed that line with the 5950 ultra... I was running that thing, it performed well all things considered... then went crazy over the 6800 Ultra over clocked.. mmmm, goodness.
I am waiting for this DX10 and Vista bug stuff to be worked before I get a DX10 card.
It'd be quite a conversation piece, but I can't possibly picture myself using it to any degree of effectiveness. I already have to kick my second core off of System Shock 2 for it to run properly, and I can't imagine disabling the workings of 79 cores every time I start a game.
Maya, on the other hand... Maya would run insanely, if it could access all those cores. I hear Maya feeds on mre cores. Is that true?
As for the Athlon XP's heat... my brother was able to heat his room during winter with an open case and a stock Athlon XP 2400+. mutenpika
Yeah, like I said, everything would need to be coded right to take advantage of those cores. But it would be intense if an OS was developed that could. But yeah... that sort of power would be used mainly for bragging rights than performance boosts.
I am not sure about Maya, I only know what it can do, not how. Sorry.
Yeah, the XP's can run hot... but my P4EE was able to do the same... the other thing it does well is suck up energy.
Both Nvidia and ATI are good companies, who ever says one is better than the other is a dumb fanboy. You can look at aspects of each company, and think what aspect of one is better than the aspect of the other, but as a whole the companies are about equal, although nvidia price the cards at a cheaper price outside of the US/EU.
and who cares? there is no game than my 7800gt can't max out so why sould I upgrade to dx10? ati has worked out why release it when no game supports dx10 and nvidia has terrible drivers for vista and 8800gtx anyway. By may vista should have some of the issues sorted out
Intel is gonna release its own dedicated GPU in 08 they have already hired skilled GPU technicians. Most likely it will merely be just strong on board GPU's
I doubt INTEL or AMD would be able to release even last gen level graphics card performance built into the motherboard for any reasonable pricing that would be viable to consumers. amd has plans for cpu and gpu built onto one die, just like dua core cpus except like 3 core genral purpose and one core gpu.
How Nvidia > ATI? Its the high end market, thats such a small market its rediculous to even think that high end market would decide the fate of a generation. If ATI is a couple months late after Nvidia releases its mid range / low end cards...then bump this thread.
Nvidia's Vista drivers are also terrible right now, especially SLI. This is more of an opportunity to fine tune.
Choad-Warrior
I wouldn't fault Nvidia when it comes to Vista though... Vista is causing problems for a great many big name companies.
m$ isn't responcable for 3rd party graphic drives, if nvidia can't make them work its their fault.
How Nvidia > ATI? Its the high end market, thats such a small market its rediculous to even think that high end market would decide the fate of a generation. If ATI is a couple months late after Nvidia releases its mid range / low end cards...then bump this thread.
Nvidia's Vista drivers are also terrible right now, especially SLI. This is more of an opportunity to fine tune.
mutenpika
I wouldn't fault Nvidia when it comes to Vista though... Vista is causing problems for a great many big name companies.
Creative, for example. I heard Vista eliminated the entire middle layer for sound, which is basically what EAX used. I have very little idea what that means (Oh, ignorant me!), but I know it's leaving all the audigy owners (me) out in the cold. m$ dumped eax support in vista
How Nvidia > ATI? Its the high end market, thats such a small market its rediculous to even think that high end market would decide the fate of a generation. If ATI is a couple months late after Nvidia releases its mid range / low end cards...then bump this thread.
Nvidia's Vista drivers are also terrible right now, especially SLI. This is more of an opportunity to fine tune.
imprezawrx500
I wouldn't fault Nvidia when it comes to Vista though... Vista is causing problems for a great many big name companies.
m$ isn't responcable for 3rd party graphic drives, if nvidia can't make them work its their fault. but if MS is not cooperating or offering help/ solutions then some of the blame should fall upon them, they do play favoritism a lot...
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