Rare Makes a Bold Statement: Kinect lags Less than Most Games with a Joy Pad

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#1 Diviniuz
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Rare's development director Nick Burton has said that concern over Kinect's lag time is "not an issue, at all," saying that though "you can never eliminate it" the studio has "got it to the point of less lag now than most games with a joy pad".

Pretty Bold Stance

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#2 PBSnipes
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Good to know. And it's not like there's any conflict of interest that would have Rare intentionally misleading people about Kinect's capabilities, either.

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#3 Skittles_McGee
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Good to know. And it's not like there's any conflict of interest that would have Rare intentionally misleading people about Kinect's capabilities, either.

PBSnipes
Just what I was thinking. It'd be terrible if they were a first party dev whose only current work is on a Kinect game that Microsoft is pushing.
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#4 VendettaRed07
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Tell me lies tell me sweet little lies

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#5 Helghast_Merc
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Well, we'll see when their games are released for the system. I have high anticipation for Rare's use of Kinect.

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#6 Diviniuz
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I just never experienced controller lag due to joy pads in games, so Rare seems to be setting themselves up with standards they can't possibly meet
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#8 Dahaka-UK
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Input lag has never been an issue with game controllers. Kinect is just a glorified eye toy, nobody in their right mind would take a tried an true gamepad over a simplified arm flailing movements.

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#9 lx_theo
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So very believable.

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#10 WilliamRLBaker
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Input lag has never been an issue with game controllers. Kinect is just a glorified eye toy, nobody in their right mind would take a tried an true gamepad over a simplified arm flailing movements.

Dahaka-UK
talk to any competitive arcade fighter player and they will disagree that input lag has never been an issue...the same for any competitive fps player and input lag from a mouse they will disagree. As for kinect I doubt it has less lag then controllers.
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#11 wiifan001
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Remind me again what is the relationship between Microsoft and Rare...wait, there is a relationship betweem them...right? :roll::roll::roll:
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#12 190586385885857957282413308806
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Well at least they didn't resort to "This can only be done on the 360." or "Kinect only uses 4% of the the 360's power" those lies are over used
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#13 LegatoSkyheart
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Good for you Rare, Now MAKE KILLER INSTINCT 3!

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#14 Teuf_
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They might be right, but it's still always going to feel more laggy than a controller since you're expecting 1:1 correspondance between the game and your movements. So even a tiny bit of lag can degrade the experience significantly.

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#15 Jynxzor
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While I doubt this claim, even if true any lag is going to be far more apparant with motion controls than traditional gamepads, the correlation from Button to screen is not as susbstantial to your mind as is, Move my hand to seeing the other characters hand move.
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#16 SpeedsterCards
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[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

Input lag has never been an issue with game controllers. Kinect is just a glorified eye toy, nobody in their right mind would take a tried an true gamepad over a simplified arm flailing movements.

WilliamRLBaker
talk to any competitive arcade fighter player and they will disagree that input lag has never been an issue...the same for any competitive fps player and input lag from a mouse they will disagree. As for kinect I doubt it has less lag then controllers.

idk why but you are just the biggest 360 fanboy i've seen on this site lol jk but yea of course kinect will lag
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#17 shinrabanshou
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I would just post "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" but I'd probably get modded.

So I'll just say that it's a laughable assertion.

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#18 mayceV
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well input lag for games a polished game is 3 frames meaning 1/10 of a second. if Rare had it down to 150ms (4 or 5 frames per second) a couple months ago. its possible that they can get it down to 100ms of lag (either way halo 3's jump had 150ms of lag so Rare's probably right) still though unless the game is running at 90 frames per second the human mind can see the lag time. The brain can see changes from frame to frame on a 28 frame per second clip so that means a game needs to be locked at 84 FPS for the human brain to see it a 1:1, basically 90FPS. So if you want 1:1 don't expect graphics powerhouses. however I think 60FPS with 50MS of lag wouldn't be too distracting.

EDIT: spelling.

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#19 wooooode
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Well you know this is a lie. A camera is not going to pick up and translate movement faster than a simple relay in a controller.
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#20 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

Input lag has never been an issue with game controllers. Kinect is just a glorified eye toy, nobody in their right mind would take a tried an true gamepad over a simplified arm flailing movements.

SpeedsterCards
talk to any competitive arcade fighter player and they will disagree that input lag has never been an issue...the same for any competitive fps player and input lag from a mouse they will disagree. As for kinect I doubt it has less lag then controllers.

idk why but you are just the biggest 360 fanboy i've seen on this site lol jk but yea of course kinect will lag

that's right I am the biggest lemming on this site, and that means what exactly in this context? From day one I've been against both Move and Kinect I got the Wii at launch sold it like 10 months later cause I pretty much never played it *later got it insanely cheap 150 dollars* and I still don't play it. While I was right in the assertion if you talk to any competitive arcade fighter player or competitive fps player they will all say input methods have perceivable levels of lag at the level of difficulty and speed and sheer practice they play at. I doubt Kinect has as little lag as Rare is saying or move for that matter.
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#21 Diviniuz
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] While I was right in the assertion if you talk to any competitive arcade fighter player or competitive fps player they will all say input methods have perceivable levels of lag at the level of difficulty and speed and sheer practice they play at.

Aren't you just stating that input controller speed is important? I think that was an overall given. I don't think the person you were talking to was contesting that, he was just stating that input controller lag hasn't been a major issue with game controllers. The majority games on this console do not have this issue.
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#22 archvile_78
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So, someone from Rare crawl out of a cavern to tell us this?

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#23 DiceDatabase
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Ugh, while I do not agree with that statement at all, I would like it to be true. I just don't see how it is possible though and it would appear I am not alone. What I would like to know is, why would Rare say something like that if they knew it was a lie? Would such a statement really convince enough people to get Rare's Kinect products? I can't see another reason why they would claim that.
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#24 KHAndAnime
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This is the biggest and most blatant lie I've seen recently.
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#25 dercoo
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Oh Rare, when we thought you could go no lower.

Yet you always surprise us, by going even lower.

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#26 ArchoNils2
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yeah, Rare is a superb source, they are known for not being biased xD

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#27 WhenCicadasCry
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Pew pew.. pew. I think lag is the least of concerns for 360 fans.. Their most probably being actually GOOD GAMES, not shovelware.

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#28 waltefmoney
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Rare.. give me Killer Instinct 3 and I'll forget this ever happened.

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#29 W1NGMAN-
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I wouldn't call that a bold statement but rather a total lie.

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#30 MoonMarvel
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How do we know its a lie? Nobody here has played it and youtube videos dont count. Wait for the final product.
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#31 Vesica_Prime
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Go back to making Wii Sports Rare.

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#32 dachase
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because the level of lag is important with the garbage shovelware RARE are making.

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#33 Helghast_Merc
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Good for you Rare, Now MAKE KILLER INSTINCT 3!

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I second that.

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#34 Funconsole
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I don't Love the way you lie Rare

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#35 Blaze-Agent
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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Good for you Rare, Now MAKE KILLER INSTINCT 3!

Helghast_Merc

I second that.

Doesnt Nintendo own that IP?

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#36 Ravensmash
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How do we know its a lie? Nobody here has played it and youtube videos dont count. Wait for the final product.MoonMarvel
Exactly. By all means, if the final product has major issues then feel free to call them liars - but how many of you have played it? And how many are making judgements based on youtube videos of an unfinished build? :lol: I wouldn't say GT5 is going to suck because there was that huge glitch in a recent video of an unreleased game, so I'll do the same here
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#37 antifanboyftw
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and what games are they speaking of? Rare is pretty bold saying that after doing what they've did to us this gen. They're dead to me.
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#38 Chutebox
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Good to know. And it's not like there's any conflict of interest that would have Rare intentionally misleading people about Kinect's capabilities, either.

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None at all, Kinect is going to be the **** !

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#39 foxhound_fox
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What next, Sucker Punch telling us Infamous 2 isn't possible on the 360?

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#40 Nisim19
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the one thing that rare still good at it tech so i belive them
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#41 loadedboon
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This is what happened to the person of RARE before he made that statement.

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#42 rawr89
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and i'm Batman. :lol:

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#43 SapSacPrime
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This is about as reliable as SuckerPunch's statements about Infamous 2 not being possible on any platform but the PS3...

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#45 static197
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yea developers who work for microsoft I BELIEVE THEM ;) I'm wondering how much microsoft payed them to say that

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#46 ProjectNatalFan
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oh poor haters get more bad news, and to think firmware updates are always going to come along to make Kinect more precise.. No wonder why it is projected to sell 3 million by end of Holiday season, people dont listen to the haters. Great job and cant wait for the kinect November 4th where I promise you there will be a midnight launch!!! LOL

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#47 Funconsole
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yea developers who work for microsoft I BELIEVE THEM ;) I'm wondering how much microsoft payed them to say that

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Probably less than Sony pays it's devs to say "Game X is not possible on anything but the PS3"
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#48 loadedboon
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oh poor haters get more bad news, and to think firmware updates are always going to come along to make Kinect more precise.. No wonder why it is projected to sell 3 million by end of Holiday season, people dont listen to the haters. Great job and cant wait for the kinect November 4th where I promise you there will be a midnight launch!!! LOL

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The right soccer player is the people who believe the hype and this is what they will feel like once their done playing Kinect.

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#49 yoshi_64
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*plays Eminem's I love the way you lie* Oh yes... it burns....
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#50 slvrraven9
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i dont really see a reason to doubt seeing as though rare has a reputation of quality.