Ratchet and Clank is better than SMG,whats so good about SMG I don't see it

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#1 Sunamaru
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Yep that's right,I think R&C is better than SMG! But really I don't see whats so good about SMG.I beat it... and so far I have been having more fun with my new R&C.I don't think SMG deserved GOTY( but awell it did) theres nothing about it that makes it look better than other games.It's like Nintendo brain washed everyone but me lol.

What I'm really saying is you guys give SMG too much credit, it is really not that good. It's just another platformer, and everyone just think it's good because that **** Mario is in it.

BTW-If you say R&C:FTODsucksor floped or whatever(unless you just wanna have a nice talk and youcan tell why you don't like it)it's clear you never played the game, so I will just ignore your comment

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#2 Willy105
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Super Mario Galaxy is better than Ratchet and Clank on all fields except technical graphics.

But both are still great games.

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#3 m_machine024
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I don't think of R&C as a platformer, it's more a beat-em-up. It's fun but not that great.
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#5 Sunamaru
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Super Mario Galaxy is better than Ratchet and Clank on all fields except technical graphics.

But both are still great games.

Willy105

whats so "better" about it?

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#6 m_machine024
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What makes Galaxy so great is the level design, wiimote use and gravity. It's not because there's Mario in it.
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#7 Lord_Ahti
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Yep that's right,I think SMG is better than R&C But really I don't see whats so good about R&C.I beat it... and so far I have been having more fun with my new SMG.

What I'm really saying is you guys give R&C too much credit, it is really not that good. It's just another platformer, and everyone just think it's good because that **** Ratchet is in it.

BTW-If you say SMG sucksor or whatever(unless you just wanna have a nice talk and youcan tell why you don't like it)it's clear you never played the game, so I will just ignore your comment

Isn't it funny how switching a few letters and removing one line pretty much gives a really good counter argument :|

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#8 Sunamaru
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What makes Galaxy so great is the level design, wiimote use and gravity. It's not because there's Mario in it.m_machine024

But the Wiimote dosen't really do anything in the game,and dosen't the Orange box have good level design and gravity?

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#9 niall077
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I guess this guy hasnt played SMG.

SMG did something new and did it well while R&C did nothing really new and "WOW" but is still a good game in its own right

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#10 Willy105
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[QUOTE="Willy105"]

Super Mario Galaxy is better than Ratchet and Clank on all fields except technical graphics.

But both are still great games.

Sunamaru

whats so "better" about it?

The worlds are nice and big and are not linear.

You do more jumping and exploring than shooting enemies.

A wonderful musical score.

Not distracted by a story.

It's more out-there and less conventional.

Longer time to play and larger replay value.

It always feels like this game was made by geniuses.

R&C has all of these, but only in small bites, not all over the game.

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#11 Always-Honest
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R&C is just better looking. the gameplay is downright boring, Uninspired and old.
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#12 reno7728
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whats so good about rachet

also what do you think that mario was missing

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#13 Sunamaru
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Yep that's right,I think SMG is better than R&C But really I don't see whats so good about R&C.I beat it... and so far I have been having more fun with my new SMG.

What I'm really saying is you guys give R&C too much credit, it is really not that good. It's just another platformer, and everyone just think it's good because that **** Ratchet is in it.

BTW-If you say SMG sucksor or whatever(unless you just wanna have a nice talk and youcan tell why you don't like it)it's clear you never played the game, so I will just ignore your comment

Isn't it funny how switching a few letters and removing one line pretty much gives a really good counter argument :|

Lord_Ahti

why do you got to spam up my thread where just having a talk to try and get me tolike SMG?

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#14 Willy105
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[QUOTE="m_machine024"]What makes Galaxy so great is the level design, wiimote use and gravity. It's not because there's Mario in it.Sunamaru

But the Wiimote dosen't really do anything in the game,and dosen't the Orange box have good level design and gravity?

Wiimote doesn't really do anything in the game?

You have not played Super Mario Galaxy.

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#15 Willy105
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R&C is just better looking. the gameplay is downright boring, Uninspired and old.Always-Honest

So what it's uninspired and old?

It's fun.

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#16 jg4xchamp
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Ratchet and Clank plays like all the previous Ratchets, yet you bash Mario.....what?

Personally my beef with ratchet, they took out an online feature that was actually good.

The story was never all that good i perfered jak and daxter.

As a platformer it always felt just ok, what made it over the top was the guns, this time by i felt the game not only felt average but felt like it took steps back all the way to the first game. Im not the only one who believes this so did gameinformer, 1up, ign, and other critics.

Personally I think Ratchet was average if not just solid at best. Personally i think cows are praising ratchet for no other reason than bias towards the ratchet franchise.

Mario Galaxy had amazing level design that absolutely destroyed anything ratchet did IMO in terms of design. The gameplay was fluid and the wiimote additions not only felt great, were natural and actually changed things up without being annoying.

Good lenght and replay value, round 2 as luigi who is faster and jumps farther changes things up as well.

So all in all i think Galaxy is a FAR better game. to the point where its not even close when we are just talking gameplay and platforming mechanics.
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#17 Banestyrelsen
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theres nothing about it that makes it look better than other games.Sunamaru

False.

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#18 Lord_Ahti
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[QUOTE="Lord_Ahti"]

Yep that's right,I think SMG is better than R&C But really I don't see whats so good about R&C.I beat it... and so far I have been having more fun with my new SMG.

What I'm really saying is you guys give R&C too much credit, it is really not that good. It's just another platformer, and everyone just think it's good because that **** Ratchet is in it.

BTW-If you say SMG sucksor or whatever(unless you just wanna have a nice talk and youcan tell why you don't like it)it's clear you never played the game, so I will just ignore your comment

Isn't it funny how switching a few letters and removing one line pretty much gives a really good counter argument :|

Sunamaru

why do you got to spam up my thread where just having a talk to try and get me tolike SMG?


I'm just trying to make a point that opinions are just opinions >_>
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#19 Sunamaru
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whats so good about rachet

also what do you think that mario was missing

reno7728

well everyone has there own thoughts I liked SMG till nintendo fans started bragging about it made be slowly hate it

niall I did play SMG and played pass the first Grand Star with Luigi

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#20 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="m_machine024"]What makes Galaxy so great is the level design, wiimote use and gravity. It's not because there's Mario in it.Sunamaru

But the Wiimote dosen't really do anything in the game,and dosen't the Orange box have good level design and gravity?

1- you obviousaly havent played galaxy if wii mote does nothing, because there are so many levels that are built around the remotes use

2- So what if great level design and gravity has been done before, that was a different genre and a DAMNG good game at that.

3- By gravity who also meant spherical worlds(no not the ratchet crap, remember nintendo did this before them anyway) but on a larger scale, and different gravity, and in multiple directions other than just stuck to the ground.

4- Variety, something ratchet is good at, but Mario DID IT WAY BETTER this time. NO 2 galaxies are the same, and the game never feels repetitive.
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#21 Blue-Sphere
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Sheep are gonna have a field day with this thread.
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:lol: furries crack me up
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#23 DeathStar17
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[QUOTE="Sunamaru"]theres nothing about it that makes it look better than other games.Banestyrelsen

False.

Unless bright colors count, then he is correct...
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#24 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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Yep that's right,I think R&C is better than SMG! But really I don't see whats so good about SMG.I beat it... and so far I have been having more fun with my new R&C.I don't think SMG deserved GOTY( but awell it did) theres nothing about it that makes it look better than other games.It's like Nintendo brain washed everyone but me lol.

What I'm really saying is you guys give SMG too much credit, it is really not that good. It's just another platformer, and everyone just think it's good because that **** Mario is in it.

BTW-If you say R&C:FTODsucksor floped or whatever(unless you just wanna have a nice talk and youcan tell why you don't like it)it's clear you never played the game, so I will just ignore your comment

Sunamaru

Something for you to think about. What does you having more fun have to do with whether or not it is a better game? Just because I have a favorite sports team, doesn't automatically mean they are the best team in the league.

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#25 Sunamaru
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ok I guess I have nothing left to say I'l rent SMG off Gamefly and beat it it again and see if I'm feeling what you guys are feelingif not then I guess I just have differnt thoughts.

BTW-see how we did this so nicely it would be way better if system wars just talked like use in sted of bashing each other in stupid ways lol

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#26 m_machine024
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[QUOTE="m_machine024"]What makes Galaxy so great is the level design, wiimote use and gravity. It's not because there's Mario in it.Sunamaru

But the Wiimote dosen't really do anything in the game,and dosen't the Orange box have good level design and gravity?

To me, it did a lot, to reviewers too. Even the little tilt to spin Mario and the stars is immersive imo. Seriously it's just fun to blast off just by a little motion. Collecting thoses star bits is really intuitive with the wiimote and some levels like the bubble and rolling ball are too. And the blue stars that attracks pressing A on them or that little spring where you aim with the wiimote... all good stuff.

The thing... Galaxy is not great only because it great level design, wiimote use and gravity, but it mixes them nearly perfectly and it becomes one of the most polished games ever released. Great artstyle, great soundtrack and fixed camera (not perfect through) do help a lot too.

Still you need to accept that opinions differ from people to people and we can't agree on all things. I can't comvince you that Galaxy is better, I just telling why I think it's so great.

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#27 Always-Honest
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[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]R&C is just better looking. the gameplay is downright boring, Uninspired and old.Willy105

So what it's uninspired and old?

It's fun.

oh i like it, but it can't hold a candle next to Galaxy.

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#28 thegame1980
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Well as an owner of both the PS3 and Wii as well as both Ratchet and Clank Future and Super Mario Galaxy I can say this. I prefer Mario Galaxy over Ratchet and Clank for a few reasons. First off Mario Galaxy is unlike any platforming game I've played before. The fact the maps twist and bend so much and offer so many different ways to get around is fun. The Wii also makes good use of the Wiimote which helps as well. While Ratchet and Clank is a fun, good looking game it's really the same old thing as the 5 games before it. Trust me I know I've played and beaten them all for PS2 and PSP. NOTHING has changed aside from the story and weapons. You still get funny weapons that upgrade as you go along, You still fly in a spaceship from planet to planet, you still deal with Captain Qwuark, you still have to be reminded oyu are the LAST Lombax in the galaxy, you still find another evil genius who wants to destroy you, you still play as lcank who controls other robots. Same old same old. Don't get me wrong on this though I do enjoy the game very much and I'm a fan of the series but I think Mario Galaxy just changes things up a bit making it a bit more fun. Not to mention I like MArio more as a character and I think most other people do as well.
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[QUOTE="Willy105"]

Super Mario Galaxy is better than Ratchet and Clank on all fields except technical graphics.

But both are still great games.

Sunamaru

whats so "better" about it?

What's so better about R&C?

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#30 Ichigo_Ban_Kai
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[QUOTE="Sunamaru"]

[QUOTE="m_machine024"]What makes Galaxy so great is the level design, wiimote use and gravity. It's not because there's Mario in it.Willy105

But the Wiimote dosen't really do anything in the game,and dosen't the Orange box have good level design and gravity?

Wiimote doesn't really do anything in the game?

You have not played Super Mario Galaxy.

I have and hee is kind right,if the wii mote was taken out it would still have gotten a 9.5,maybe if its a different reviewer a 9.U use it to spin,to collect the little things by pointing at them(sorry dont know what its called)and acoupl other stuff.

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Ratchet and Clank was basically a PS2 game with fancy effects. Nothing new, nothing interesting with far crappier level design and inconsistent gameplay. It was also way too easy (although 12 year old cows probably saw that as a plus). The weapons were funny but there were too many of them and only a few of them were particularly useful.

Only cows and furries think ratchet and clank is better than mario, and their opinions are pretty much worthless

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#32 rockydog1111
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Better? I dont think so. On the same level as it? I'd say just about as good.
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Yep that's right,I think SMG is better than R&C But really I don't see whats so good about R&C.I beat it... and so far I have been having more fun with my new SMG.

What I'm really saying is you guys give R&C too much credit, it is really not that good. It's just another platformer, and everyone just think it's good because that **** Ratchet is in it.

BTW-If you say SMG sucksor or whatever(unless you just wanna have a nice talk and youcan tell why you don't like it)it's clear you never played the game, so I will just ignore your comment

Isn't it funny how switching a few letters and removing one line pretty much gives a really good counter argument :|

Lord_Ahti

Not much of a counter argument, Ratchet is not anywhere near as famous as mario. if you ask me, when GS reviewed SMG they were suffering from halo 3 syndrome and while it's a good game, it's not better than CoD4 or crysis(which alsobeat it inthe user poll).

as for this argument, i've always prefered the R&C series to the mario series, but since I've only played SMG out of the two, my opinion isn't worth much.

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#34 VladTheImpaler
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[QUOTE="m_machine024"]What makes Galaxy so great is the level design, wiimote use and gravity. It's not because there's Mario in it.Sunamaru

But the Wiimote dosen't really do anything in the game,and dosen't the Orange box have good level design and gravity?

It is funny,that you can tell right away when a little kid is making a post.

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#35 jack_russel
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Everybody is intitled to their opinion. If he likes ratchet more than mario then thats fine.
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#36 VladTheImpaler
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[QUOTE="Sunamaru"]

Yep that's right,I think R&C is better than SMG! But really I don't see whats so good about SMG.I beat it... and so far I have been having more fun with my new R&C.I don't think SMG deserved GOTY( but awell it did) theres nothing about it that makes it look better than other games.It's like Nintendo brain washed everyone but me lol.

What I'm really saying is you guys give SMG too much credit, it is really not that good. It's just another platformer, and everyone just think it's good because that **** Mario is in it.

BTW-If you say R&C:FTODsucksor floped or whatever(unless you just wanna have a nice talk and youcan tell why you don't like it)it's clear you never played the game, so I will just ignore your comment

ZIMdoom

Something for you to think about. What does you having more fun have to do with whether or not it is a better game? Just because I have a favorite sports team, doesn't automatically mean they are the best team in the league.

That is a great analogy.

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#37 solidgamer
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joke thread?
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#38 Ichigo_Ban_Kai
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Ratchet and Clank was basically a PS2 game with fancy effects. Nothing new, nothing interesting with far crappier level design and inconsistent gameplay. It was also way too easy (although 12 year old cows probably saw that as a plus). The weapons were funny but there were too many of them and only a few of them were particularly useful.

Only cows and furries think ratchet and clank is better than mario, and their opinions are pretty much worthless

the_h_bomb

Wow so this is how it is,a guy who never played a game talk about its cons,and i noticed everything ur saying can be found in the Arron Thomas:evil: Review,and if u really are basing ur info on that u have just lost all credibility,never bash a game that u never played

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#39 Ichigo_Ban_Kai
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Everybody is intitled to their opinion. If he likes ratchet more than mario then thats fine.jack_russel

we have a winner;)

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#40 BioShockOwnz
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I own both and R&C: ToD is VERY mediocre when compared to the damn near perfect SMG. It's the truth. R&C: ToD was 7.5'd for a reason and SMG was 9.5'd for a reason. SMG is far superior in every single way imaginable.
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#41 VladTheImpaler
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Ratchet and Clank was basically a PS2 game with fancy effects. Nothing new, nothing interesting with far crappier level design and inconsistent gameplay. It was also way too easy (although 12 year old cows probably saw that as a plus). The weapons were funny but there were too many of them and only a few of them were particularly useful.

Only cows and furries think ratchet and clank is better than mario, and their opinions are pretty much worthless

the_h_bomb

Furries! To funny.

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#42 SapSacPrime
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Everybody is intitled to their opinion. If he likes ratchet more than mario then thats fine.jack_russel

This is true but if he did not want people to disagree with him he wouldn't post his opinion in SW for attention :).

I think the reason you don't see why Galaxy is better is exactly that, you are judging on the fact R&C looks so much better and not the gameplay or over all package.

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#43 camzaman
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I find it hard to believe someone who beat Galaxy would say "everyone just think it's good because that **** Mario is in it."
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#44 xxxWigginsxxx
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I own both and I have to say that I enjoy playing Mario Galaxy more. Rachet and Clank is a great game, but SMG is better and more fun in my opinion.
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#45 the_h_bomb
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Furries! To funny.

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#46 Ontain
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we all have opinions on what is more fun or what we like more. it just happens that the vast majority of the public and critics like SMG more. but there's nothing wrong with you liking R&C more.

it's just like some ppl have foot fetishes while most do not.

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[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Sunamaru"]

[QUOTE="m_machine024"]What makes Galaxy so great is the level design, wiimote use and gravity. It's not because there's Mario in it.Ichigo_Ban_Kai

But the Wiimote dosen't really do anything in the game,and dosen't the Orange box have good level design and gravity?

Wiimote doesn't really do anything in the game?

You have not played Super Mario Galaxy.

I have and hee is kind right,if the wii mote was taken out it would still have gotten a 9.5,maybe if its a different reviewer a 9.U use it to spin,to collect the little things by pointing at them(sorry dont know what its called)and acoupl other stuff.

I desagree. Make the stars rotate with a button wouldn't feel as great and immersive imo. With the motion, it feels like you make them rotate yourself. Spinning is really intuitive too imo. I don't think the game would feel as great without it.
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Ratchet and Clank is awesome. I haven't had the chance to play Mario Galaxy yet! :cry:
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SMG is amazing. It deffinately deserved GoTY. I haven't played R&C yet, but SMG is still one amazing platformer.

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#50 legend26
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the level design is genius....whats so special about rachet? it did nothing different except for graphics