RE5 should go back to Third-World-View

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#1 runker
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I thought RE 1 2 3 and CV were all masterpieces. RE: Remake and RE: 0 were great too, and I like how they could bring out the lighting more.

Unfortunatley, there's RE4. Which was a little too easy because you could buy ammo or guns at merchants, and there was no typewriter damnit! Those rooms were awesome with the music.

Also, the world-view camera in RE4 is not horrifying. You turn awkward, and the tension of zombies coming from all angles doesn't exist. Although I do think RE4 is a great adventure game, I think they should go back to more of a sandbox type envirement.

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I thought RE 1 2 3 and CV were all masterpieces. RE: Remake and RE: 0 were great too, and I like how they could bring out the lighting more.

Unfortunatley, there's RE4. Which was a little too easy because you could buy ammo or guns at merchants, and there was no typewriter damnit! Those rooms were awesome with the music.

Also, the world-view camera in RE4 is not horrifying. You turn awkward, and you the tension of zombies coming from all angles doesn't exist. Although I do think RE4 is a great adventure game, I think they should go back to more of a sandbox type envirement.

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It's called evolution, If RE had taken this step and had it used the same camera angle in RE4 it would be such a poor game. I mean RE is fine people who have been playing it for 10 years like me dont give a hoot, only because they progressed the series for the best.

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It doesn't get much more third world than a dinky town in the middle of Africa.
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#4 Pariah_001
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No. There should be a Resident Evil 2 remake that's third-world view.
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It doesn't get much more third world than a dinky town in the middle of Africa.Timstuff
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It's called evolution, If RE had taken this step and had it used the same camera angle in RE4 it would be such a poor game. I mean RE is fine people who have been playing it for 10 years like me dont give a hoot, only because they progressed the series for the best.

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The least they could have done was kept it as a "survival horror" game and not turned it into an action game. Plus, when done right, fixed camera angles are fine (that and they allow for much better graphics). The Resident Evil Remake was fantastic.

It is arguable if the series has "improved." It depends on whether or not you enjoy it not being a survival horror anymore.
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Animal-Mother said it best. The new gameplay perspective was needed, its why capcom changed it. After the sales of RE remake, the formula was getting old...everyone saw this, hell even the developers were getting bored with the old ideas (watch the RE4 making). The new change is so much better, who doesn't want to be able to aim and shoot where they please? Melee the enemies, do what you can to survive, i see it as a much more realistic approach, to the classic surcruity cam-view..where you just run around and shoot, most of the time walking around zombies...just doesn't cut it, after so many sequels. After what capcom did with RE4, seeing the copy cats..it go's to show you capcom did it right and after all the awards won..its what people wanted. Your not forced to buy and upgrade ammo, play it like you would classic re games....hows that?
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Agree, Maybe somewhere in Cambodia.
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]It's called evolution, If RE had taken this step and had it used the same camera angle in RE4 it would be such a poor game. I mean RE is fine people who have been playing it for 10 years like me dont give a hoot, only because they progressed the series for the best.

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The least they could have done was kept it as a "survival horror" game and not turned it into an action game. Plus, when done right, fixed camera angles are fine (that and they allow for much better graphics). The Resident Evil Remake was fantastic.

It is arguable if the series has "improved." It depends on whether or not you enjoy it not being a survival horror anymore.

how was the classic re's more survival horror? you could just walk and run around zombies for god sakes...after playing the RE5 demo, capcom seem to have gone back to the roots, ammo is kept to a more minimal, since the enemies are more aggressive and come in bigger packs...now expeically with a partner, the survival aspect is there...needing to worry about your partners supply/health aswell as your own....its much better. The game is packed with horror elements, so how its not horror anymore? i srsly don't understand how you retro fans think, the game is still the same at core, but with added gameplay moves, persepctive...its suddenly full action? would one in real life play out there terror like the classic re's or something like RE4/RE5..where anything and everything should be done to survive?
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no doubt that re4 was less horror based than the others, but i dont think that it had much to do with the camera angle. it had more to do with the number of enemies, weapons, availability of ammo, and also the puzzle difficulty. the point to the other REs is to simply survive, while the point to RE4 seemed to be to kill everything that moved.
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how was the classic re's more survival horror? you could just walk and run around zombies for god sakes...after playing the RE5 demo, capcom seem to have gone back to the roots, ammo is kept to a more minimal, since the enemies are more aggressive and come in bigger packs...now expeically with a partner, the survival aspect is there...needing to worry about your partners supply/health aswell as your own....its much better. The game is packed with horror elements, so how its not horror anymore? i srsly don't understand how you retro fans think, the game is still the same at core, but with added gameplay moves, persepctive...its suddenly full action? would one in real life play out there terror like the classic re's or something like RE4/RE5..where anything and everything should be done to survive? Eyezonmii

Have you actually played a Resident Evil that isn't 4 or 5? You had severely limited resources and had to survive with what you had. Horror is about creating a tense atmosphere, one where you think something might be about to jump out at you and then nothing happens... and then a few seconds later a couple of zombie dogs come crashing through the windows when you least expect it. Not having hoards of enemies in every area vying to stab your body full of holes with their pitchforks. They were games designed around a definitive pacing... one that moved very slowly and steadily, creating a very unsettling and creepy vibe. RE4 and now RE5 is more "blow **** up; as much as you can as fast as you can."

I enjoyed RE4 and will probably very much enjoy RE5... but claiming that RE4 is "survival horror" in comparison to the original games is a joke. The series has now been turned into an action game series. Not that it makes the games bad... it just makes them bad "Resident Evil" games. Like many modern games that are reinterpreted and changed... they aren't "bad," just changed so substantially that they barely resemble the games that established them as quality titles... in which many of the original fans find disheartening.
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It doesn't get much more third world than a dinky town in the middle of Africa.Timstuff

I think he means "third person view"

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[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] how was the classic re's more survival horror? you could just walk and run around zombies for god sakes...after playing the RE5 demo, capcom seem to have gone back to the roots, ammo is kept to a more minimal, since the enemies are more aggressive and come in bigger packs...now expeically with a partner, the survival aspect is there...needing to worry about your partners supply/health aswell as your own....its much better. The game is packed with horror elements, so how its not horror anymore? i srsly don't understand how you retro fans think, the game is still the same at core, but with added gameplay moves, persepctive...its suddenly full action? would one in real life play out there terror like the classic re's or something like RE4/RE5..where anything and everything should be done to survive? foxhound_fox

Have you actually played a Resident Evil that isn't 4 or 5? You had severely limited resources and had to survive with what you had. Horror is about creating a tense atmosphere, one where you think something might be about to jump out at you and then nothing happens... and then a few seconds later a couple of zombie dogs come crashing through the windows when you least expect it. Not having hoards of enemies in every area vying to stab your body full of holes with their pitchforks. They were games designed around a definitive pacing... one that moved very slowly and steadily, creating a very unsettling and creepy vibe. RE4 and now RE5 is more "blow **** up; as much as you can as fast as you can."

I enjoyed RE4 and will probably very much enjoy RE5... but claiming that RE4 is "survival horror" in comparison to the original games is a joke. The series has now been turned into an action game series. Not that it makes the games bad... it just makes them bad "Resident Evil" games. Like many modern games that are reinterpreted and changed... they aren't "bad," just changed so substantially that they barely resemble the games that established them as quality titles... in which many of the original fans find disheartening.

wait wait, so your claiming RE4/5 has NO horror or surival to it? is that what your saying...cause if you're...i srsly suggest you look up the meaning for both words. IMO, RE4 has more horrific elements/enemies than the original ones....the classic re's are full of cheap scares and odd music..something a 12 year old would find TENSE. but to each there own....RE4/R are STILL SURVIVAL HORROR..no matter how you spin it. We have yet to even see the HORROR parts of RE5, capcom claim is much more darker this time.
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It doesn't get much more third world than a dinky town in the middle of Africa.Timstuff
You win lol. Just close the thread now, it won't get better than this.
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Animal-Mother said it best. The new gameplay perspective was needed, its why capcom changed it. After the sales of RE remake, the formula was getting old...everyone saw this, hell even the developers were getting bored with the old ideas (watch the RE4 making). The new change is so much better, who doesn't want to be able to aim and shoot where they please? Melee the enemies, do what you can to survive, i see it as a much more realistic approach, to the classic surcruity cam-view..where you just run around and shoot, most of the time walking around zombies...just doesn't cut it, after so many sequels. After what capcom did with RE4, seeing the copy cats..it go's to show you capcom did it right and after all the awards won..its what people wanted. Your not forced to buy and upgrade ammo, play it like you would classic re games....hows that? Eyezonmii
Too bad the formula they changed to was already old for the genre
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[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]Animal-Mother said it best. The new gameplay perspective was needed, its why capcom changed it. After the sales of RE remake, the formula was getting old...everyone saw this, hell even the developers were getting bored with the old ideas (watch the RE4 making). The new change is so much better, who doesn't want to be able to aim and shoot where they please? Melee the enemies, do what you can to survive, i see it as a much more realistic approach, to the classic surcruity cam-view..where you just run around and shoot, most of the time walking around zombies...just doesn't cut it, after so many sequels. After what capcom did with RE4, seeing the copy cats..it go's to show you capcom did it right and after all the awards won..its what people wanted. Your not forced to buy and upgrade ammo, play it like you would classic re games....hows that? Juggernaut140
Too bad the formula they changed to was already old for the genre

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It doesn't get much more third world than a dinky town in the middle of Africa.Timstuff
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It doesn't get much more third world than a dinky town in the middle of Africa.Timstuff
Man you nailed it! :lol:
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It doesn't get much more third world than a dinky town in the middle of Africa.Timstuff
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[QUOTE="Timstuff"]It doesn't get much more third world than a dinky town in the middle of Africa.svetzenlether

I think he means "third person view"

It is 3rd person. But man, I just had to Lol at his comment!
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I thought RE 1 2 3 and CV were all masterpieces. RE: Remake and RE: 0 were great too, and I like how they could bring out the lighting more.

Unfortunatley, there's RE4. Which was a little too easy because you could buy ammo or guns at merchants, and there was no typewriter damnit! Those rooms were awesome with the music.

Also, the world-view camera in RE4 is not horrifying. You turn awkward, and the tension of zombies coming from all angles doesn't exist. Although I do think RE4 is a great adventure game, I think they should go back to more of a sandbox type envirement.

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runker
Its hard to support your claim when you list RE3 as a masterpiece. That game was complete garbage when compared to the greatness of RE1, 2. RE:CV brought the series back into the limelight. As for your comment about RE4 it did have typewriters (just not the archaic ribbons needed to save). While the originals games were fun and enjoyable, that style of gameplay felt dated. Capcom tried to change things up with a new engine but it never felt like a RE game (the original RE4 turned into Devil May Cry). Its proven through games like Dead Space that the third-person view can be just as intense as the 3rd world view if implemented correctly. So lets give RE5 a chance to see if capcom has completely strayed from the survivor-horror RE formula and created a action series type game. Game On...
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[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] how was the classic re's more survival horror? you could just walk and run around zombies for god sakes...after playing the RE5 demo, capcom seem to have gone back to the roots, ammo is kept to a more minimal, since the enemies are more aggressive and come in bigger packs...now expeically with a partner, the survival aspect is there...needing to worry about your partners supply/health aswell as your own....its much better. The game is packed with horror elements, so how its not horror anymore? i srsly don't understand how you retro fans think, the game is still the same at core, but with added gameplay moves, persepctive...its suddenly full action? would one in real life play out there terror like the classic re's or something like RE4/RE5..where anything and everything should be done to survive? foxhound_fox

Have you actually played a Resident Evil that isn't 4 or 5? You had severely limited resources and had tosurvive with what you had. Horror is about creating a tense atmosphere, one where you think something might be about to jump out at you and then nothing happens... and then a few seconds later a couple of zombie dogs come crashing through the windows when you least expect it. Not having hoards of enemies in every area vying to stab your body full of holes with their pitchforks. They were games designed around a definitive pacing... one that moved very slowly and steadily, creating a very unsettling and creepy vibe. RE4 and now RE5 is more "blow **** up; as much as you can as fast as you can."

I enjoyed RE4 and will probably very much enjoy RE5... but claiming that RE4 is "survival horror" in comparison to the original games is a joke. The series has now been turned into an action game series. Not that it makes the games bad... it just makes them bad "Resident Evil" games. Like many modern games that are reinterpreted and changed... they aren't "bad," just changed so substantially that they barely resemble the games that established them as quality titles... in which many of the original fans find disheartening.

Well foxhoud you couldnt have said it any better. I can't retort that. I mean as a long time fan, I welcome the changes but I said it earlier in the thread, had they kept zombies and a fixed angle which either way I would have welcomed, maybe the series would have began to felt dated? I mean your right a 110% it's not survival horror anymore but just a game thats about mere survival, will see what happens when RE5 comes out and see how the critics like it, either way im exicted for the return of albert wesker and the revealing of umbrella's rival company.

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Unfortunatley, there's RE4. Which was a little too easy because you could buy ammo or guns at merchants, and there was no typewriter damnit! Those rooms were awesome with the music.

runker

I think you mean ink ribbons. Because the typewriter was still there.

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oh yeah, yeah. they should totally do that.

they should also bring back the bad graphics and abysmal voice acting/dialouge.

its called a REVOLUTION. y in the heck would we revert back to traditional design.

side-scrolling: acceptable. fixed third person camera view: HELL NO.

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I actually jus made a thread on how it would be fun to try Res Evil 1 in first person. any thoughts? please post in my thread.
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[QUOTE="runker"]

Unfortunatley, there's RE4. Which was a little too easy because you could buy ammo or guns at merchants, and there was no typewriter damnit! Those rooms were awesome with the music.

deuce85

I think you mean ink ribbons. Because the typewriter was still there.

You know you could only buy guns and the occasional health spray at the mercheants right runker?
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[QUOTE="deuce85"][QUOTE="runker"]

Unfortunatley, there's RE4. Which was a little too easy because you could buy ammo or guns at merchants, and there was no typewriter damnit! Those rooms were awesome with the music.

Animal-Mother

I think you mean ink ribbons. Because the typewriter was still there.

You know you could only buy guns and the occasional health spray at the mercheants right runker?

^^^Yeah that to.

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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="deuce85"]

I think you mean ink ribbons. Because the typewriter was still there.

deuce85

You know you could only buy guns and the occasional health spray at the mercheants right runker?

^^^Yeah that to.

if you upgrade the capacity of a weapon, it will fill the ammo up to full, that may be what he's talking about

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[QUOTE="deuce85"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] You know you could only buy guns and the occasional health spray at the mercheants right runker?Sword-Demon

^^^Yeah that to.

if you upgrade the capacity of a weapon, it will fill the ammo up to full, that may be what he's talking about

Yeah but you can only do that so many times
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oh yeah, yeah. they should totally do that.

they should also bring back the bad graphics and abysmal voice acting/dialouge.

its called a REVOLUTION. y in the heck would we revert back to traditional design.

side-scrolling: acceptable. fixed third person camera view: HELL NO.

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Yeah because we all know those Side-Scrolling Resident Evils were hits, right? Oh wait . . .
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I think games need a change and RE4 brought that change to the series. RE4 was a huge success to the series.

I actually have no problem with the direction the developers took with the game but also I don't want them to go too far from what RE is and turning it into another shooter.

RE5 is going to be great and I hope the game has a lot of puzzles in it unlike RE4 which had a few and weren't that hard or challenging like the previous RE games.

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Resident evil is not what is use to be since 4. it an action adventure game now not a survival horror. the main reason they're taking it in this generation is cause they want it to appeal to a bigger crowed and the bigger crowd generally likes shooters. to me RE is dead now and i don't considering RE4,5 to be real RE's Re4 was great i'm not saying it was but it's not what RE is suppose to be. so in short the emphasis on shooting, Over the sholder view are here to stay
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No. There should be a Resident Evil 2 remake that's third-world view.Pariah_001
they should remake 1 through 3 with the new camera. but not like thousands of enemies. same numbers, same zombies, just new graphics and new camera. hell even an RE2 remake for the gamecube with just better graphics would have owned
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[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]No. There should be a Resident Evil 2 remake that's third-world view.blues35301
they should remake 1 through 3 with the new camera. but not like thousands of enemies. same numbers, same zombies, just new graphics and new camera. hell even an RE2 remake for the gamecube with just better graphics would have owned

Ya i'd like to see the REmakes ported to PS3 and have them do a RE2 and 3 remake