Real World DirectX 10 Performance is rubbish

current DX10 cards are horrible at actual DX10 performance. Crysis is gonna destroy new systems, even with a 8800 GTS the way these performance numbers are coming out. Those mid range cards are completely worthless for DX10. Crysis is going to run better in DX9 than in DX10. DX10 will have some extra effects, but the game is gonna run at like 20FPS in 1280 X 1024. Going higher res will yield even worse results.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=7

These cards are just not powerful enough to enable widespread use of any features that reach beyond the capability of DirectX 9.

Even our high-end hardware struggled to keep up in some cases, and the highest resolution we tested was 2.3 megapixels. Pushing the resolution up to 4 MP (with 30" display resolutions of 2560x1600) brings all of our cards to their knees. In short, we really need to see faster hardware before developers can start doing more impressive things with DirectX 10.

DX10 = fail

current DX10 cards are horrible at actual DX10 performance. Crysis is gonna destroy new systems, even with a 8800 GTS the way these performance numbers are coming out. Those mid range cards are completely worthless for DX10. Crysis is going to run better in DX9 than in DX10. DX10 will have some extra effects, but the game is gonna run at like 20FPS in 1280 X 1024. Going higher res will yield even worse results.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=7

DX10 = fail

Bullets4Brains

Devs said the game runs max on a 8800GTX with Directx 10 and with really high resolution.

Was Dx 8 - 9 any different at first? Not really.

Oh and the Nvidia 9 Series is around the corner , so it will be less "phail" I assure you.

Was Dx 8 - 9 any different at first? Not really.

Oh and the Nvidia 9 Series is around the corner , so it will be less "phail" I assure you.

Meu2k7

Isn't that supporting the DX11 aka DX10b?

It's going to take some time for mainstream hardware to exist that can run DX 10 games well - considering the "high end" visually for many games is something that is not meant to be reached for a year or two after the game comes out - it makes sense that there would be games coming out soon that will run like crap in DX 10 mode on current GPUs.

current DX10 cards are horrible at actual DX10 performance. Crysis is gonna destroy new systems, even with a 8800 GTS the way these performance numbers are coming out. Those mid range cards are completely worthless for DX10. Crysis is going to run better in DX9 than in DX10. DX10 will have some extra effects, but the game is gonna run at like 20FPS in 1280 X 1024. Going higher res will yield even worse results.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=7

These cards are just not powerful enough to enable widespread use of any features that reach beyond the capability of DirectX 9.

Even our high-end hardware struggled to keep up in some cases, and the highest resolution we tested was 2.3 megapixels. Pushing the resolution up to 4 MP (with 30" display resolutions of 2560x1600) brings all of our cards to their knees. In short, we really need to see faster hardware before developers can start doing more impressive things with DirectX 10.

DX10 = fail

Bullets4Brains

DX 10 isn't the problem, obviously our current hardware is the problem. When the Geforce 5 series offered crappy performance, a lot of people were saying "DX 9, psssh!" - you know how many people now would say - "DX 9 is the suck!"?

It's going to take some time for mainstream hardware to exist that can run DX 10 games well - considering the "high end" visually for many games is something that is not meant to be reached for a year or two after the game comes out - it makes sense that there would be games coming out soon that will run like crap in DX 10 mode on current GPUs.

subrosian

There isn't even a true DX10 game out yet. None of those games were truely designed to implement DX10 to its fullest. Until you start seeing better DX10 games come out, you can't judge. trix5817

[QUOTE="trix5817"]There isn't even a true DX10 game out yet. None of those games were truely designed to implement DX10 to its fullest. Until you start seeing better DX10 games come out, you can't judge. smokeydabear076

Why is this even in system wars? Is this meant to be some sort of ownage towards PC gamers? DirectX 9 on the PC still looks leaps and bounds better than consoles.Metroid_Time

[QUOTE="Metroid_Time"]Why is this even in system wars? Is this meant to be some sort of ownage towards PC gamers? DirectX 9 on the PC still looks leaps and bounds better than consoles.smokeydabear076

ITs 100% true, said from CRY-Alex himself on whatever German Fansite he often posts on.

THEY ARE NOT TRUE DX10 GAMES. They are DX9 with DX10 tacked on, so no this is now how unreal 3, crysis, bioshock, and TRUE dx10 games will fair.dracolich666

That shouldn't make a difference at all... Although Call of Juraz and a few other games were built for DX10 as well from the start...

Either way I'm thinking it's Vista that's the problem, since we see even DX9 games have up to a 40% performance decrease (in some cases, GeForce 7900 much more), from WinXP...

THEY ARE NOT TRUE DX10 GAMES. They are DX9 with DX10 tacked on, so no this is now how unreal 3, crysis, bioshock, and TRUE dx10 games will fair.dracolich666

Was Dx 8 - 9 any different at first? Not really.

Oh and the Nvidia 9 Series is around the corner , so it will be less "phail" I assure you.

Meu2k7

The difference between DX8 and DX9 was preatty huge.

[QUOTE="Bullets4Brains"]

current DX10 cards are horrible at actual DX10 performance. Crysis is gonna destroy new systems, even with a 8800 GTS the way these performance numbers are coming out. Those mid range cards are completely worthless for DX10. Crysis is going to run better in DX9 than in DX10. DX10 will have some extra effects, but the game is gonna run at like 20FPS in 1280 X 1024. Going higher res will yield even worse results.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=7

DX10 = fail

Supafly1

Devs said the game runs max on a 8800GTX with Directx 10 and with really high resolution.

i can personally attest to my 8800GTX with 2gigs OCZ ram, vista, AMD X2 6000+ (dual cores at 3.0ghz) handles all DX10 games I've played so far without so much as a hiccup. DX10 patched CoH looks and plays amazing, lost planet plays great.

that - and the fact that the devs indicated my system will run crysis on max detail lead me to believe this thread is lies! are you jealous because you can't affor them? just curious why the hate-on for DX10.

[QUOTE="Bullets4Brains"]

current DX10 cards are horrible at actual DX10 performance. Crysis is gonna destroy new systems, even with a 8800 GTS the way these performance numbers are coming out. Those mid range cards are completely worthless for DX10. Crysis is going to run better in DX9 than in DX10. DX10 will have some extra effects, but the game is gonna run at like 20FPS in 1280 X 1024. Going higher res will yield even worse results.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=7

These cards are just not powerful enough to enable widespread use of any features that reach beyond the capability of DirectX 9.

Even our high-end hardware struggled to keep up in some cases, and the highest resolution we tested was 2.3 megapixels. Pushing the resolution up to 4 MP (with 30" display resolutions of 2560x1600) brings all of our cards to their knees. In short, we really need to see faster hardware before developers can start doing more impressive things with DirectX 10.

DX10 = fail

Pulse123

do you have the dual core optimizer installed? i didn't for the longest time so the 2 cores were never functioning properly together.

[QUOTE="Supafly1"][QUOTE="Bullets4Brains"]

current DX10 cards are horrible at actual DX10 performance. Crysis is gonna destroy new systems, even with a 8800 GTS the way these performance numbers are coming out. Those mid range cards are completely worthless for DX10. Crysis is going to run better in DX9 than in DX10. DX10 will have some extra effects, but the game is gonna run at like 20FPS in 1280 X 1024. Going higher res will yield even worse results.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=7

DX10 = fail

3picuri3

Devs said the game runs max on a 8800GTX with Directx 10 and with really high resolution.

i can personally attest to my 8800GTX with 2gigs OCZ ram, vista, AMD X2 6000+ (dual cores at 3.0ghz) handles all DX10 games I've played so far without so much as a hiccup. DX10 patched CoH looks and plays amazing, lost planet plays great.

that - and the fact that the devs indicated my system will run crysis on max detail lead me to believe this thread is lies! are you jealous because you can't affor them? just curious why the hate-on for DX10.

Not DX10 hate, Vista hate... The hardware compatablility and issues with older games is quite a problem. Unless you have the top end card, playing games under Vista is a bit painful... The 8600 is barely worth it's price with the current games released...

[QUOTE="Pulse123"][QUOTE="Bullets4Brains"]

current DX10 cards are horrible at actual DX10 performance. Crysis is gonna destroy new systems, even with a 8800 GTS the way these performance numbers are coming out. Those mid range cards are completely worthless for DX10. Crysis is going to run better in DX9 than in DX10. DX10 will have some extra effects, but the game is gonna run at like 20FPS in 1280 X 1024. Going higher res will yield even worse results.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=7

These cards are just not powerful enough to enable widespread use of any features that reach beyond the capability of DirectX 9.

Even our high-end hardware struggled to keep up in some cases, and the highest resolution we tested was 2.3 megapixels. Pushing the resolution up to 4 MP (with 30" display resolutions of 2560x1600) brings all of our cards to their knees. In short, we really need to see faster hardware before developers can start doing more impressive things with DirectX 10.

DX10 = fail

3picuri3

do you have the dual core optimizer installed? i didn't for the longest time so the 2 cores were never functioning properly together.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Supafly1"][QUOTE="Bullets4Brains"]

current DX10 cards are horrible at actual DX10 performance. Crysis is gonna destroy new systems, even with a 8800 GTS the way these performance numbers are coming out. Those mid range cards are completely worthless for DX10. Crysis is going to run better in DX9 than in DX10. DX10 will have some extra effects, but the game is gonna run at like 20FPS in 1280 X 1024. Going higher res will yield even worse results.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=7

DX10 = fail

ssbfalco

Devs said the game runs max on a 8800GTX with Directx 10 and with really high resolution.

i can personally attest to my 8800GTX with 2gigs OCZ ram, vista, AMD X2 6000+ (dual cores at 3.0ghz) handles all DX10 games I've played so far without so much as a hiccup. DX10 patched CoH looks and plays amazing, lost planet plays great.

that - and the fact that the devs indicated my system will run crysis on max detail lead me to believe this thread is lies! are you jealous because you can't affor them? just curious why the hate-on for DX10.

Not DX10 hate, Vista hate... The hardware compatablility and issues with older games is quite a problem. Unless you have the top end card, playing games under Vista is a bit painful... The 8600 is barely worth it's price with the current games released...

Yeah i agree vista does suck frames bigtime, i think it has alot to do with that superfetch thing that caches programs into ur memory before u open them. This is good when using general programs, however when gaming it sucks up RAM bigtime, which is definately not a good thing. I mean im using like 42% of my RAM in idle. But then again thats vista for u, i try to take the good with the bad, yet i have failed to see any good as of yet.

[QUOTE="ssbfalco"][QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Supafly1"][QUOTE="Bullets4Brains"]

current DX10 cards are horrible at actual DX10 performance. Crysis is gonna destroy new systems, even with a 8800 GTS the way these performance numbers are coming out. Those mid range cards are completely worthless for DX10. Crysis is going to run better in DX9 than in DX10. DX10 will have some extra effects, but the game is gonna run at like 20FPS in 1280 X 1024. Going higher res will yield even worse results.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=7

DX10 = fail

Pulse123

Devs said the game runs max on a 8800GTX with Directx 10 and with really high resolution.

i can personally attest to my 8800GTX with 2gigs OCZ ram, vista, AMD X2 6000+ (dual cores at 3.0ghz) handles all DX10 games I've played so far without so much as a hiccup. DX10 patched CoH looks and plays amazing, lost planet plays great.

that - and the fact that the devs indicated my system will run crysis on max detail lead me to believe this thread is lies! are you jealous because you can't affor them? just curious why the hate-on for DX10.

Not DX10 hate, Vista hate... The hardware compatablility and issues with older games is quite a problem. Unless you have the top end card, playing games under Vista is a bit painful... The 8600 is barely worth it's price with the current games released...

Yeah i agree vista does suck frames bigtime, i think it has alot to do with that superfetch thing that caches programs into ur memory before u open them. This is good when using general programs, however when gaming it sucks up RAM bigtime, which is definately not a good thing. I mean im using like 42% of my RAM in idle. But then again thats vista for u, i try to take the good with the bad, yet i have failed to see any good as of yet.

Actually the way Vista prefetches is a good thing. Free RAM is wasted RAM, since moving data from HDD to RAM is insanely slow.

That was one of Linux's advantages since at any given time, 100% of your RAM was used, but when you went to open any commonly used program, it loads instantly.

When a game is loaded, any of that used RAM that the game doesn't need is replaced, which is fine. Vista I'll admit uses RAM better than XP, which is one of Vista's advantages so you'll get into the game or whatever program you need faster, but the game will still have to load levels and such though...

It all has to do with memory architecture and such, that most people don't need to worry about, but for some reason the free RAM myth has spread so far it appears to be truth, when it really isn't...

Don't worry, I thought that way too before I took courses on it...

lost planet, while a horrible port of a mediocre game, actually runs very slighly better in DX10 mode over DX9 if you use the same settings.

Also, MAJOR DITTO to what ssbfalco said about prefetch, I am so tired of trying to explain the concept to people and they just dont GET it.

[QUOTE="dracolich666"]THEY ARE NOT TRUE DX10 GAMES. They are DX9 with DX10 tacked on, so no this is now how unreal 3, crysis, bioshock, and TRUE dx10 games will fair.ssbfalco

That shouldn't make a difference at all... Although Call of Juraz and a few other games were built for DX10 as well from the start...

Either way I'm thinking it's Vista that's the problem, since we see even DX9 games have up to a 40% performance decrease (in some cases, GeForce 7900 much more), from WinXP...

CoJ wasn't built with DX10 in mind from the start, where do you get this from? It came out almost a year ago, and only supported DX9. The then implemented some DX10 features into the US release.......

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Supafly1"][QUOTE="Bullets4Brains"]

current DX10 cards are horrible at actual DX10 performance. Crysis is gonna destroy new systems, even with a 8800 GTS the way these performance numbers are coming out. Those mid range cards are completely worthless for DX10. Crysis is going to run better in DX9 than in DX10. DX10 will have some extra effects, but the game is gonna run at like 20FPS in 1280 X 1024. Going higher res will yield even worse results.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=7

DX10 = fail

ssbfalco

Devs said the game runs max on a 8800GTX with Directx 10 and with really high resolution.

i can personally attest to my 8800GTX with 2gigs OCZ ram, vista, AMD X2 6000+ (dual cores at 3.0ghz) handles all DX10 games I've played so far without so much as a hiccup. DX10 patched CoH looks and plays amazing, lost planet plays great.

that - and the fact that the devs indicated my system will run crysis on max detail lead me to believe this thread is lies! are you jealous because you can't affor them? just curious why the hate-on for DX10.

Not DX10 hate, Vista hate... The hardware compatablility and issues with older games is quite a problem. Unless you have the top end card, playing games under Vista is a bit painful... The 8600 is barely worth it's price with the current games released...

Yeah, of coruse Vista sucks right now. Just wait until SP1. It's not even all of Vista's fault either. It's mostly ATI and Nvidia's fault because they can't make any decent drivers.

[QUOTE="ssbfalco"]

[QUOTE="dracolich666"]THEY ARE NOT TRUE DX10 GAMES. They are DX9 with DX10 tacked on, so no this is now how unreal 3, crysis, bioshock, and TRUE dx10 games will fair.trix5817

That shouldn't make a difference at all... Although Call of Juraz and a few other games were built for DX10 as well from the start...

Either way I'm thinking it's Vista that's the problem, since we see even DX9 games have up to a 40% performance decrease (in some cases, GeForce 7900 much more), from WinXP...

CoJ wasn't built with DX10 in mind from the start, where do you get this from? It came out almost a year ago, and only supported DX9. The then implemented some DX10 features into the US release.......

Really? Then I must be thinking about the wrong game... it will come to me... I was just reading about that game before I posted and that triggered me to replace everything with that... I hate subconsiousness...

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="ssbfalco"]

[QUOTE="dracolich666"]THEY ARE NOT TRUE DX10 GAMES. They are DX9 with DX10 tacked on, so no this is now how unreal 3, crysis, bioshock, and TRUE dx10 games will fair.ssbfalco

That shouldn't make a difference at all... Although Call of Juraz and a few other games were built for DX10 as well from the start...

Either way I'm thinking it's Vista that's the problem, since we see even DX9 games have up to a 40% performance decrease (in some cases, GeForce 7900 much more), from WinXP...

CoJ wasn't built with DX10 in mind from the start, where do you get this from? It came out almost a year ago, and only supported DX9. The then implemented some DX10 features into the US release.......

Really? Then I must be thinking about the wrong game... it will come to me... I was just reading about that game before I posted and that triggered me to replace everything with that... I hate subconsiousness...

There isn't a true DX10 game to date. There have just been patches and tacked on features. You won't see what truely is DX10 until 2008. Even Crysis isn't even a fully DX10 game. It's actually a DX9 game at heart.