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#1 Cherokee_Jack
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...By publicly insulting reviewers who dared not to give it a high enough score for his tastes.

Speaking to Develop, Rebellion CEO Jason Kingsley made it clear that his company is delighted with the success of Aliens vs Predator. The game recently landed in the number one sales position in the UK -- reason enough to be pleased, no doubt -- but Kingsley is also pleased with AvP's critical reception. "We wanted Aliens Versus Predator to be a critical success as well as a commercial success," said Kingsley, "which we think we have achieved."

Kingsley's words might seem a little puzzling to anyone that's glanced at AvP's Metacritic average. Even the PC version, which has the highest average score, only manages a "mixed or average reviews" rating of 73. However, Kingsley noted that the game has received "three totally **** reviews by some Americans, which is a bit odd," adding that some of the reviews were "inexcusably bad." Said Kingsley, "If you discount those poor reviews AvP is averaging high for us."Joystiq

It's unclear which 3 reviews he's referring to, but one might infer that Jeff Gerstmann and/or Kevin Van Ord's reviews were the subject of his criticisms, especially because low scores from well-known sites would be more likely to be on his radar than GameRevolution or whatever.

Regardless of what you think of AvP, you have to admit his attitude is childish. Even if the reviews are poorly written, this is still the least cIassy way to deal with that.

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#2 Espada12
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I don't think he insulted the reviewers, he was more upset with the reviews.

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#3 mtradr43
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lol, mabye he should have tried making the game not suck instead of pushing out garbage then complaining when people call it garbage.
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#4 DarkLink77
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...By publicly insulting reviewers who dared not to give it a high enough score for his tastes.

[quote="Joystiq"]Speaking to Develop, Rebellion CEO Jason Kingsley made it clear that his company is delighted with the success of Aliens vs Predator. The game recently landed in the number one sales position in the UK -- reason enough to be pleased, no doubt -- but Kingsley is also pleased with AvP's critical reception. "We wanted Aliens Versus Predator to be a critical success as well as a commercial success," said Kingsley, "which we think we have achieved."

Kingsley's words might seem a little puzzling to anyone that's glanced at AvP's Metacritic average. Even the PC version, which has the highest average score, only manages a "mixed or average reviews" rating of 73. However, Kingsley noted that the game has received "three totally **** reviews by some Americans, which is a bit odd," adding that some of the reviews were "inexcusably bad." Said Kingsley, "If you discount those poor reviews AvP is averaging high for us."Cherokee_Jack

It's unclear which 3 reviews he's referring to, but one might infer that Jeff Gerstmann and/or Kevin Van Ord's reviews were the subject of his criticisms, especially because low scores from well-known sites would be more likely to be on his radar than GameRevolution or whatever.

Regardless of what you think of AvP, you have to admit his attitude is childish. Even if the reviews are poorly written, this is still the least cIassy way to deal with that.

I own Aliens Vs. Predator. it's not all that bad, but it is by no means great. Maybe instead of insulting reviewers he should be looking at the way his company makes games.

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#5 Sully28
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Maybe it will motivate him and his team to stop making crap/mediocre games. I still cant believe they managed to make the multiplayer worse then the first two. All they had to do was balance the classes, make more maps, and it would have been great.

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#6 Cherokee_Jack
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I don't think he insulted the reviewers, he was more upset with the reviews.

Espada12

He insulted the reviewers by saying "Hey, the reviews you wrote are **** and inexcusably bad".

Not to mention the weird referrence to their nationality.

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#7 Legendaryscmt
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You take criticism and turn it into progression to making better games. If a game has problems which the community addresses, they should learn from it instead of what this guy is saying.

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#8 Snagal123
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I love the guys response.

"Yeh are game scored great when you remove the bad scores"

Its great, its like he just doesn't care what they think. I almost expected him to tell them they can shove it up their arse.

I'm glad its sold well, i really enjoyed it myself, sure its not really AA, but there is alot of fun to be had in it if your a fan. Rebellion area british dev as well and ive got to support my own after all :D

As long as they never give us another Shellshock 2 or Rogue Warrior i'm happy.

Also as much as i'm a fan of Giantbomb and Jeff, his review made little sense. He gave Rogue Warrior 2/5 and then says AvP is 1000x times better than it, and yet it gets a 2/5, it deserved a 3/5.

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#9 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

I don't think he insulted the reviewers, he was more upset with the reviews.

Cherokee_Jack

He insulted the reviewers by saying "Hey, the reviews you wrote are **** and inexcusably bad".

Not to mention the weird referrence to their nationality.

Well still that not an insult to the reviewer just saying that the review sucks, just like alot of us say on this board. We obviously aren't insulting the reviewer...

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#10 BPoole96
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That is pretty pathetic.

"Take away those 3 reviews and we did fine!"

This man belongs on System Wars with that kind of logic. He would fit right in

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#11 AAllxxjjnn
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Why'd he feel the need to point out their nationality?
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#12 Espada12
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Why'd he feel the need to point out their nationality? AAllxxjjnn

Rebellion is from the UK no? Maybe he wanted to narrow it down for us without actually calling names :P

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#13 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

I don't think he insulted the reviewers, he was more upset with the reviews.

Espada12

He insulted the reviewers by saying "Hey, the reviews you wrote are **** and inexcusably bad".

Not to mention the weird referrence to their nationality.

Well still that not an insult to the reviewer just saying that the review sucks, just like alot of us say on this board. We obviously aren't insulting the reviewer...

You're insulting the reviewers' performance as reviewers. Same thing. Maybe it's not a personal insult, but it's an insult all the same. And remember that this guy is supposed to be a CEO. He can't just shoot his mouth off like anonymous forum users can.
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Lol how incredibly ignorant. "We are very pleased with how the game panned out, and if I put my hands over my ears and shout 'LALALALALA' with my eyes closed, I would say that Aliens Vs. Predator is a critical success."

How about you take the criticism and try to make a better game?

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#15 sammyjenkis898
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It's not the reviewer's fault that they didn't enjoy the crappy final product. That's like Michael Bay saying "Well, yeah, if you take out all of those reviews that say I'm a talentless hack, the response is pretty damn good!" Give me a break.
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#16 DarkLink77
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Why'd he feel the need to point out their nationality? AAllxxjjnn
Because no British reviewer would EVER give AvP bad reviews... :P
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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Why'd he feel the need to point out their nationality? Espada12

Rebellion is from the UK no?

Yeh didn't you know that everyone in the UK hates americans? :P:D

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This guy would fit well into System Wars.
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#19 AmayaPapaya
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Everyone I talked to said they liked the game. It may be a good game, even if the reviews are bad.

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#21 Snagal123
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Everyone I talked to said they liked the game. It may be a good game, even if the reviews are bad.

AmayaPapaya

It is a good game, just not a great game.

I don't see how anyone who is a fan of theoverall series would not have fun playing it.

It does feel abit old school but thats not a bad thing.

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#22 finalfantasy94
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The only review he has the right toinsult is GI review since everyone agreed that was a terribly written review with cons that made zero sense. It does seem a bit childesh how hes acting,but as long as it makes them make another avp im happy. Im enjoying AVP and playing it now as a matter of fact. I personally couldint give this game lower then a 7.

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#23 Phoenix534
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What I got out of that is "If you discount all of the bad things this game is great."

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#24 MasterC5
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Maybe he shouldn't have released that piece of crap then.

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#25 felipebo
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Bleh, it's a sub-par game, meaning bad scores are only natural. Get over it.

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#26 peanutbudduh
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The game was good, I don't understand the reasoning to Gamespots mediocre rating. Most of the people who posted in this thread don't know crap about the game itself so they base it on Gamespot's ridiculous rating.
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Rebellion has some balls. I like them. I don't have an opinion on the game at this moment but they can say whatever they want about other reviews. Reviews, especially early one likes that Game Informer review - have an impact on sales. If they truly believe they've made a good game - then good for them. Haters can go suck it.
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#28 The-Mosher
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I lol'd when he said, "If you take away those three **** reviews, AvP is great!"

In all seriousness, Aliens vs. Predator isn't that great of a game. Instead of whining about the reviews, he should be thinking about what went wrong in the game and try to fix it in the next one.

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#29 Baranga
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Rebellion has some balls. I like them. I don't have an opinion on the game at this moment but they can say whatever they want about other reviews. Reviews, especially early one likes that Game Informer review - have an impact on sales. If they truly believe they've made a good game - then good for them. Haters can go suck it.KHAndAnime

Remember what they said when the game was banned in Australia?

We will not be releasing a sanitised or cut down version for territories where adults are not considered by their governments to be able to make their own entertainment choices.

Lol.

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[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Rebellion has some balls. I like them. I don't have an opinion on the game at this moment but they can say whatever they want about other reviews. Reviews, especially early one likes that Game Informer review - have an impact on sales. If they truly believe they've made a good game - then good for them. Haters can go suck it.Baranga

Remember what they said when the game was banned in Australia?

We will not be releasing a sanitised or cut down version for territories where adults are not considered by their governments to be able to make their own entertainment choices.

Lol.

Yeh, you gotta love em. :D

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#31 kozzy1234
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Kevin and Jeffs reviews where perfect, nothign wrong with them.

The game is average at best

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#32 finalfantasy94
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Kevin and Jeffs reviews where perfect, nothign wrong with them.

The game is average at best

kozzy1234

I heavly disagree with thier reviews.

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The game is bad, not much more to say.
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#34 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Kevin and Jeffs reviews where perfect, nothign wrong with them.

The game is average at best

finalfantasy94

I heavly disagree with thier reviews.

Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them.
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[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Rebellion has some balls. I like them. I don't have an opinion on the game at this moment but they can say whatever they want about other reviews. Reviews, especially early one likes that Game Informer review - have an impact on sales. If they truly believe they've made a good game - then good for them. Haters can go suck it.Baranga

Remember what they said when the game was banned in Australia?

We will not be releasing a sanitised or cut down version for territories where adults are not considered by their governments to be able to make their own entertainment choices.

Lol.

Now THAT IS AWESOME!!!!

While the reaction to these reviews is a bit childish, I absolutely love that comment about the Australian censorship.

I am guessing this should now be Rebellions theme song (wait till the chorus).

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#36 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Kevin and Jeffs reviews where perfect, nothign wrong with them.

The game is average at best

Cherokee_Jack

I heavly disagree with thier reviews.

Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them.

Didint say that. Its thier opinion nothing more nothing less. Only review that was just bad was GI since it didint make a lick of sense.

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#37 Snagal123
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Kevin and Jeffs reviews where perfect, nothign wrong with them.

The game is average at best

Cherokee_Jack

I heavly disagree with thier reviews.

Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them.

I wouldn't have an issue with Jeffs if he hadn't of said AvP is 1000x better than Rogue Warrior. Yet Rogue Warrior is 2/5 and AvP is 2/5. Shouldn't Rogue Warrior be a 1/5? or AvP a 3/5? It just doesn't make sense.

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#38 DoomZaW
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or maybe their game is just inexcusably bad? :P CEO's need to stop thinking it is the reviewers that screw up

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#39 dream431ca
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I can sum up his whole speech with this:

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keep on looking through those rose colored glasses

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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

I heavly disagree with thier reviews.

Snagal123

Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them.

I wouldn't have an issue with Jeffs if he hadn't of said AvP is 1000x better than Rogue Warrior. Yet Rogue Warrior is 2/5 and AvP is 2/5. Shouldn't Rogue Warrior be a 1/5? or AvP a 3/5? It just doesn't make sense.

Yeah, I guess that is sort of weird, but I think Rogue Warrior was a hair away from being a 1 and AvP was not too far from being a 3.
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#42 timmy00
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Why do I get the feeling thata few peoplein this topic are saying AVP suck just on GS review?

Anyway the only review of AVP that was plain awful is GI. Rebellion is a bit loudspoken but I do give them credit. The Australia comment was just plain awesome.

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#43 Cherokee_Jack
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Why do I get the feeling that half the people in this topic are saying AVP suck just on GS review?timmy00
Because there's only one valid opinion to be had about that game....?
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#44 timmy00
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[QUOTE="timmy00"]Why do I get the feeling that half the people in this topic are saying AVP suck just on GS review?Cherokee_Jack
Because there's only one valid opinion to be had about that game....?

Please excuse me if I mistunderstand your post. I am very tired. Are you using sarcasm? Because what you're saying is that gamespot is the only valid opinion.

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Game Informer...
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Translation: BAWWWWWWW What it means to you: fight back and don't buy this idiot's product. He ruined one of the definitive FPS of last generation by consolization and failsauce and then blamed SOMEONE ELSE for his fail. As an AvP fan personally offended by how fail the new AvP was, I am utterly enraged to the point of popping a blood vessel over this ridiculous press release.
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Translation: BAWWWWWWW What it means to you: fight back and don't buy this idiot's product. He ruined one of the definitive FPS of last generation by consolization and failsauce and then blamed SOMEONE ELSE for his fail. As an AvP fan personally offended by how fail the new AvP was, I am utterly enraged to the point of popping a blood vessel over this ridiculous press release.Brownesque

Im a big avp fan and I feel the exact oppisite. Arent opinions grand.

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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Translation: BAWWWWWWW What it means to you: fight back and don't buy this idiot's product. He ruined one of the definitive FPS of last generation by consolization and failsauce and then blamed SOMEONE ELSE for his fail. As an AvP fan personally offended by how fail the new AvP was, I am utterly enraged to the point of popping a blood vessel over this ridiculous press release.finalfantasy94

Im a big avp fan and I feel the exact oppisite. Arent opinions grand.

Some people are always mad. >_>
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#49 Brownesque
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Ha ha ha ha, oh man, I just realized... These idiots are responsible for AvP on PSP, Rogue Trooper, Rogue Warrior, and Shellshock 2.... And he thinks it's the reviewer's fault for trashing these games. Evidently the original AvP is the only game in their entire catalog even worth anyone's time. If anyone seriously doubts these criticisms are not warranted and that these guys are awesome devs undeserving of that criticism, go play the aforementioned games. If anything, the original AvP was a fluke.
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#50 Snagal123
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Translation: BAWWWWWWW What it means to you: fight back and don't buy this idiot's product. He ruined one of the definitive FPS of last generation by consolization and failsauce and then blamed SOMEONE ELSE for his fail. As an AvP fan personally offended by how fail the new AvP was, I am utterly enraged to the point of popping a blood vessel over this ridiculous press release.Brownesque

Maybe its just me but the game doesn't feel consolized at all. It feels very old school to me, they basically remade AvP 1999. The fact that the alien is crazy as ever to control suggests that they didn't consolize it.

The way some of the reviews have come off to me as that they dont like the old school feel,and it not being console friendly like MW2 or something.

As a AvP fan myself, it gives everything i was expecting, apart from some technical issues.