Red Faction Maxes out Xbox 360 - Volition turn to Xbox 720.

In an interview with Gameplayer regarding Red Faction: Guerrilla, producer Rick White claims that they have maxed out the power of the Xbox 360 and have already starting looking towards the Xbox 720 for their next projects.

"Gameplayer: So you're saying that RFG is pushing the hardware as far as it can go? Squeezing every drop of juice out of the Xbox 360?

Rick White: Yeah, we've got it to the point where we can't even put an extra vehicle into a world, because it'll blow the memory. Every little change we make we have to be hyper-critical about it because it could just bring the whole system down. We evaluate every little change in the game, and then we run our tools on it to make sure it isn't going to break the game and then we move forward, so it really is about pushing the engine as far as we can, and pushing the hardware as far as we can, and then looking at what is the next set of hardware that's going to come out. Where can we take it then? You know we're already thinking about if we had XYZ X number of years from now, what would we do with our engine?

Gameplayer: So you've got a lot of plans for this engine?

Rick White: I think as the consoles grow, be it the 720 or whatever, it's going to increase our ability to deliver a better looking game with more destruction, or more dense environments. I mean, one thing we have now, because we're throwing so many polys around we're not as dense as Saints Row 2. One thing that you could see with a more powerful console with more dense environments."

http://www.gameplayer.com.au/gp_documents/Red-Faction-Interview.aspx?Page=1

Thats damn impressive and the whole interview is interesting also, this part of the interview is also interesting.

Gameplayer: So what's RFG's magic mushroom? Games like this tend to get a foothold through positive word-of-mouth, so what is it that people are going to be telling each other about this game? What is that special something?

Rick White: What we've been seeing is, with a lot of our testing, is we ask them at the end, "What is that most meaningful moment for you?" A lot of that meaningful moment is a moment that they created. It wasn't, "Oh, I went over here and did this because the game wants me to do that" - it's the unexpected that they created.

For example, this one guy yesterday said, "Oh, I'm gonna throw a bunch of these remote charges up on this bridge", the bridge collapsed and killed him. He's like, "Woah, **** what happened?" Or, in a fight in multiplayer this one guy was being killed by this guy up on a roof, so he finally went in the building and he shot up, blowing a hole in the building and killing that guy but then this huge slab came down and took him out.

It's all these moments: they happen in real-time, it's dynamic. It's those player-generated surprises they get from having a dynamic world.

Looks like this guy just wants some free publicity for his game. I've seen and had hands-on play with it, and there are already games that exceed it in every area. Maybe their engine just blows donkey brains.BioShockOwnz

Looks like this guy just wants some free publicity for his game. I've seen and had hands-on play with it, and there are already games that exceed it in every area. Maybe their engine just blows donkey brains.BioShockOwnz

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Looks like this guy just wants some free publicity for his game. I've seen and had hands-on play with it, and there are already games that exceed it in every area. Maybe their engine just blows donkey brains.HAZE-Unit

From the demo I played at a gaming convention, and from the multiplayer I played in the beta; I really don't see how this is maxing out the Xbox 360. If it is indeed maxing out the Xbox 360, then we're in trouble, because there have been games that have already surpassed this on Xbox 360.

Anyways, the original Red Faction was great, but Red Faction 2 sucked. I didn't enjoy the 3rd person view in the demo and beta, so we'll see if they tune it in time for release so that it feels better.

Looks like this guy just wants some free publicity for his game. I've seen and had hands-on play with it, and there are already games that exceed it in every area. Maybe their engine just blows donkey brains.BioShockOwnz

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Looks like this guy just wants some free publicity for his game. I've seen and had hands-on play with it, and there are already games that exceed it in every area. Maybe their engine just blows donkey brains.black_tempest

Lol @ lems. 360 maxed out, confirmed!

what game exactly are they making?

never heard of this game theyre talkng about.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Looks like this guy just wants some free publicity for his game. I've seen and had hands-on play with it, and there are already games that exceed it in every area. Maybe their engine just blows donkey brains.BioShockOwnz

From the demo I played at a gaming convention, and from the multiplayer I played in the beta; I really don't see how this is maxing out the Xbox 360. If it is indeed maxing out the Xbox 360, then we're in trouble, because there have been games that have already surpassed this on Xbox 360.

Anyways, the original Red Faction was great, but Red Faction 2 sucked. I didn't enjoy the 3rd person view in the demo and beta, so we'll see if they tune it in time for release so that it feels better.

EDIT: wow those are some bad polys they are putting in their game :(

I can garentee you that he is talking about the physics engine.Guybrush_3

The physics engine in the beta left a lot to be desired. I'm hoping it's just because it was a beta, but it had glitching, odd collision detection when pieces of objects would land and cut through other parts of the environments, etc. It wasn't a hardware issue, but seemed more like a programming issue.

All talk of maxing out a console is worthless. All games run the console at 100%, it all comes down to code efficiency.

for integer i equals 1; i is greater than 0; i++

That code just maxed out the 360. OMG ITS THE GREATEST GAME EVER.

[QUOTE="black_tempest"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Looks like this guy just wants some free publicity for his game. I've seen and had hands-on play with it, and there are already games that exceed it in every area. Maybe their engine just blows donkey brains.BioShockOwnz

Lol @ lems. 360 maxed out, confirmed!

this game maxed out the 360?

............

okay, i must say, this is impossible to believe.

the graphics are nothing like geow2.

is it an WRPG???

i seriously have no idea what this game is about.

can someone clear this up for me?

Looks like this guy just wants some free publicity for his game. I've seen and had hands-on play with it, and there are already games that exceed it in every area. Maybe their engine just blows donkey brains.BioShockOwnz

This is believable to me. Even Crysis doesn't have fully destructable terrain and objects. The objects and some prefabs can be destroyed, but even then they break in a fairly simple way.

If this game was to have that and look good they shouldn't even consider putting it on consoles.

I completely lost interest in this game when I found out it would be in 3rd Person not 1st person like the last games.

THIS AIN'T NO RED FACTION!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="black_tempest"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Looks like this guy just wants some free publicity for his game. I've seen and had hands-on play with it, and there are already games that exceed it in every area. Maybe their engine just blows donkey brains.BioShockOwnz

Lol @ lems. 360 maxed out, confirmed!

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]I can garentee you that he is talking about the physics engine.BioShockOwnz

The physics engine in the beta left a lot to be desired. I'm hoping it's just because it was a beta, but it had glitching, odd collision detection when pieces of objects would land and cut through other parts of the environments, etc. It wasn't a hardware issue, but seemed more like a programming issue.

I was just responding to the people posting screenshots, and like I said earlier, they might have an ineffecient engine

Those are some of the first none bullshot screens I have seen on SW. I would think that looks like a wide open game...

quick comparison to Halo 3... Both games have physics quirks, both games have wide open areas and both games have less than impressive graphics. Is it that hard to believe that the 360 can't handle destructable and wide open environments?

The PS3 does have a superior CPU that allows for better physics, but I still say that this is an inefficient engine that Volition is using, because the physics did seem badly programmed.BioShockOwnz

the better physic can be seen in Killzone 2.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]The PS3 does have a superior CPU that allows for better physics, but I still say that this is an inefficient engine that Volition is using, because the physics did seem badly programmed.ps3_owns_360Wii

the better physic can be seen in Killzone 2.

I think Resistance and Uncharted show some great physics, too.

I was kind of disappointed when they said it would be in Third Person but after the above paragraph, it makes sense. Besides, I like Third Person better than First in Unreal Championship 2. lol

So I think we looked at Total Recall,

That part was full of win. Total Recall is the best Mars movie ever created.

That entire interview was great. I can't believe I'm saying this, but it actually made me want to get a Xbox 720 early. lol It's amazing that they completely maxed out the 360. It's of course sad that they had to downgrade the graphics and remove some content but at least they didn't make a game that was impossible to be on 360 (I'm looking at you Crysis) lol Seriously, I can't wait for Red Faction Guerilla (and Red Faction 4 for X720...and Crysis 1 and 2 for Xbox 720.)

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]The PS3 does have a superior CPU that allows for better physics, but I still say that this is an inefficient engine that Volition is using, because the physics did seem badly programmed.ps3_owns_360Wii

the better physic can be seen in Killzone 2.

I can garentee you that he is talking about the physics engine.Guybrush_3

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Looks like this guy just wants some free publicity for his game. I've seen and had hands-on play with it, and there are already games that exceed it in every area. Maybe their engine just blows donkey brains.Leejjohno

This is believable to me. Even Crysis doesn't have fully destructable terrain and objects. The objects and some prefabs can be destroyed, but even then they break in a fairly simple way.

If this game was to have that and look good they shouldn't even consider putting it on consoles.

Maybe their engine just blows donkey brains.BioShockOwnz

Looks like this guy just wants some free publicity for his game. I've seen and had hands-on play with it, and there are already games that exceed it in every area. Maybe their engine just blows donkey brains.BioShockOwnz

Also, these are the same guys that said the 360 wasn't powerful enough to have planes and helicopters in the first Saints Row. Yet SR2 has them.

Volition is full of crap.

I love how everyone in this thread is a Game Developer and knows how to make a better engine then them.

The graphics aren't whats putting this game over the edge it's the Real Time Dynamic Physics that NO game has this generation at least to the extent that Red Faction has it. The game looks good and compressed Jpegs are not the way to show how this game looks.