Red Ring of Death: Why so long without a clear fix?

I think it's obvious that it's a design problem, not just about cheap or expensive components. There might be more than just heat problems from the main and graphics processors. If it's just heat, then cooling components would have been introduced by now and could save Microsoft hundreds per console. Which means that the newer, smaller, less-heat processors that Microsoft has been planning on may not be enough. That maybe why it has taken Microsoft so long. Changing the design to avoid RROD might interfere with the ability to play current games. This might be very negative for Microsoft.

I mean it's been more than 2 years, and Microsoft has given no clear indications yet that it has RROD fixed in the design and manufacturing. If Microsoft can't get RROD fixed by this holiday season, then it's 100% goodbye 360, and hello 720 in 2009 or 2010.

problems have gone way down since the introduction of the falcon models with the 65 nm CPU, i haven't seen any reports of one of these newer models (introduced october) getting RROD. the models with the 65 nm GPU this fall will completely eradicate the RROD.shoeman12

so you're saying by fall there will be no more RROD? doubt it

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]problems have gone way down since the introduction of the falcon models with the 65 nm CPU, i haven't seen any reports of one of these newer models (introduced october) getting RROD. the models with the 65 nm GPU this fall will completely eradicate the RROD.ski11buzz

so you're saying by fall there will be no more RROD? doubt it

obviously older consoles would still fail but the newer ones wouldn't, and it would be rare if they did.

It can't be fixed it's a design flaw having to do with the parts, mainly the GPU, producing too much heat. It can't really be fixed unless it's redesignedf50p90

And you know this because.................

Fanboys......sigh

I think it's obvious that it's a design problem, not just about cheap or expensive components. There might be more than just heat problems from the main and graphics processors. If it's just heat, then cooling components would have been introduced by now and could save Microsoft hundreds per console. Which means that the newer, smaller, less-heat processors that Microsoft has been planning on may not be enough. That maybe why it has taken Microsoft so long. Changing the design to avoid RROD might interfere with the ability to play current games. This might be very negative for Microsoft.

I mean it's been more than 2 years, and Microsoft has given no clear indications yet that it has RROD fixed in the design and manufacturing. If Microsoft can't get RROD fixed by this holiday season, then it's 100% goodbye 360, and hello 720 in 2009 or 2010.

Sihanouk

Graphics intensive games=rrod

It cant be fixed

I think it's obvious that it's a design problem, not just about cheap or expensive components. There might be more than just heat problems from the main and graphics processors. If it's just heat, then cooling components would have been introduced by now and could save Microsoft hundreds per console. Which means that the newer, smaller, less-heat processors that Microsoft has been planning on may not be enough. That maybe why it has taken Microsoft so long. Changing the design to avoid RROD might interfere with the ability to play current games. This might be very negative for Microsoft.

I mean it's been more than 2 years, and Microsoft has given no clear indications yet that it has RROD fixed in the design and manufacturing. If Microsoft can't get RROD fixed by this holiday season, then it's 100% goodbye 360, and hello 720 in 2009 or 2010.

Sihanouk

Give it up already. We all know you support Sony.....after all I'm sure they pay you well.

You know absolutely nothing about the 360 and it's problems. You know nothing about programing. You know nothing about the Cell or it's weak sidekick Risk. What you do know is how to be one of the biggest fanboys in SWs. Your knowledge is limited and boring. Mayeb you should be devoting your time learning or impressing girls without BR.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I think it's obvious that it's a design problem, not just about cheap or expensive components. There might be more than just heat problems from the main and graphics processors. If it's just heat, then cooling components would have been introduced by now and could save Microsoft hundreds per console. Which means that the newer, smaller, less-heat processors that Microsoft has been planning on may not be enough. That maybe why it has taken Microsoft so long. Changing the design to avoid RROD might interfere with the ability to play current games. This might be very negative for Microsoft.

I mean it's been more than 2 years, and Microsoft has given no clear indications yet that it has RROD fixed in the design and manufacturing. If Microsoft can't get RROD fixed by this holiday season, then it's 100% goodbye 360, and hello 720 in 2009 or 2010.

Painballz

Graphics intensive games=rrod

It cant be fixed

you're wrong. the problem is heat. switching from a 90 nm GPU and CPU to 65 nm would output far less heat and fix the problem.

[QUOTE="f50p90"]It can't be fixed it's a design flaw having to do with the parts, mainly the GPU, producing too much heat. It can't really be fixed unless it's redesignedkingtito

And you know this because.................

Fanboys......sigh

Because the console was taken apart to see what the problem was and that was the consensus

[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"]It can't be fixed it's a design flaw having to do with the parts, mainly the GPU, producing too much heat. It can't really be fixed unless it's redesignedf50p90

And you know this because.................

Fanboys......sigh

Because the console was taken apart to see what the problem was and that was the consensus

when did this happen and who did it? again, 65 nm GPU's and CPU's output a lot less heat and will fix the problem.

[QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"]It can't be fixed it's a design flaw having to do with the parts, mainly the GPU, producing too much heat. It can't really be fixed unless it's redesignedshoeman12

And you know this because.................

Fanboys......sigh

Because the console was taken apart to see what the problem was and that was the consensus

when did this happen and who did it? again, 65 nm GPU's and CPU's output a lot less heat and will fix the problem.

I don't remember. Someone posted the entire process here on system wars, and it showed a ringed 360, with sauder melted on the mobo. its a combination of heat sources, the GPU being the MAIN one. going grom a 90 NM CPU to 65 NM falcon didn't help much. Going to 45 probably won't either. if theygo to a smaller GPU that might help though

Here it is

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26184835&page=0

The sauder from the GPU itself melts on to the Mobo :) . Interesting reasno why

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I think it's obvious that it's a design problem, not just about cheap or expensive components. There might be more than just heat problems from the main and graphics processors. If it's just heat, then cooling components would have been introduced by now and could save Microsoft hundreds per console. Which means that the newer, smaller, less-heat processors that Microsoft has been planning on may not be enough. That maybe why it has taken Microsoft so long. Changing the design to avoid RROD might interfere with the ability to play current games. This might be very negative for Microsoft.

I mean it's been more than 2 years, and Microsoft has given no clear indications yet that it has RROD fixed in the design and manufacturing. If Microsoft can't get RROD fixed by this holiday season, then it's 100% goodbye 360, and hello 720 in 2009 or 2010.

kingtito

Give it up already. We all know you support Sony.....after all I'm sure they pay you well.

You know absolutely nothing about the 360 and it's problems. You know nothing about programing. You know nothing about the Cell or it's weak sidekick Risk. What you do know is how to be one of the biggest fanboys in SWs. Your knowledge is limited and boring. Mayeb you should be devoting your time learning or impressing girls without BR.

This is not about me being a fanboy. I am not trying to start trouble. I am genuinely curious about what has taken Microsoft so long to fix it. I remember Rockstar saying one of their games had issues with the older 360s...so there is a good chance that redesigning the 360 to prevent RROD might be harder than it seemed--the redesign might make older games unplayable with the 360. Microsoft might still be trying to get around this problem.

Microsoft has not gone on records saying they have solved RROD problems. Why not? Why so long? Very legitimate questions in System Wars.

[QUOTE="Painballz"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I think it's obvious that it's a design problem, not just about cheap or expensive components. There might be more than just heat problems from the main and graphics processors. If it's just heat, then cooling components would have been introduced by now and could save Microsoft hundreds per console. Which means that the newer, smaller, less-heat processors that Microsoft has been planning on may not be enough. That maybe why it has taken Microsoft so long. Changing the design to avoid RROD might interfere with the ability to play current games. This might be very negative for Microsoft.

I mean it's been more than 2 years, and Microsoft has given no clear indications yet that it has RROD fixed in the design and manufacturing. If Microsoft can't get RROD fixed by this holiday season, then it's 100% goodbye 360, and hello 720 in 2009 or 2010.

shoeman12

Graphics intensive games=rrod

It cant be fixed

you're wrong. the problem is heat. switching from a 90 nm GPU and CPU to 65 nm would output far less heat and fix the problem.

The problem hasn't been fixed. If it's fixed, they would have announced it by now so their stock price would go up. Just recently at Play.com event, an xbox 360 RROD'd.

Microsoft isn't giong to release any information about it. Why would they. But it's still a problem 2 or 3 of their consoles went down at GDC in only a couple of days.

The problem is heat, but the main problem is the GPU

with a poor design because even with a smaller chip the problem will probably still be there. Its chance though some people have a launch system and play 15 hours a day with no problems, and others just bought it and it rings in less than a week

I asked the same thing on the ps2's DRE problems when it was first out and wasn't really pernamently fixed till the slimline.

P.S: the main problem that causes RROD is not a design flaw it is bad manufacturing and lead free sodder this has been confirmed a few times.WilliamRLBaker

all consoles have lead free sodder yet the 360 is the only one failing. better design would have saved it

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I think it's obvious that it's a design problem, not just about cheap or expensive components. There might be more than just heat problems from the main and graphics processors. If it's just heat, then cooling components would have been introduced by now and could save Microsoft hundreds per console. Which means that the newer, smaller, less-heat processors that Microsoft has been planning on may not be enough. That maybe why it has taken Microsoft so long. Changing the design to avoid RROD might interfere with the ability to play current games. This might be very negative for Microsoft.

I mean it's been more than 2 years, and Microsoft has given no clear indications yet that it has RROD fixed in the design and manufacturing. If Microsoft can't get RROD fixed by this holiday season, then it's 100% goodbye 360, and hello 720 in 2009 or 2010.

Sihanouk

Give it up already. We all know you support Sony.....after all I'm sure they pay you well.

You know absolutely nothing about the 360 and it's problems. You know nothing about programing. You know nothing about the Cell or it's weak sidekick Risk. What you do know is how to be one of the biggest fanboys in SWs. Your knowledge is limited and boring. Mayeb you should be devoting your time learning or impressing girls without BR.

This is not about me being a fanboy. I am not trying to start trouble. I am genuinely curious about what has taken Microsoft so long to fix it. I remember Rockstar saying one of their games had issues with the older 360s...so there is a good chance that redesigning the 360 to prevent RROD might be harder than it seemed--the redesign might make older games unplayable with the 360. Microsoft might still be trying to get around this problem.

Microsoft has not gone on records saying they have solved RROD problems. Why not? Why so long? Very legitimate questions in System Wars.

still upset we found out you were nogginki,eh

any,Ms really can't do much about it short of total recall

MS already fixed the problem by adding an extra passive heat-pipe cooler to the GPU cooler even in the older pre- Falcon models , other consoles died because of heat and the way the CPU cooler was fixed with to much strain on the X-Clamp pressing the cooler down , heat caused it to warp the motherboard and damaged the solder so the CPU came loose , they also fixed that and don't use a X-Clamp anymore but even then consoles will still fail like the PS3 and Wii .

Lets say it brought the failure rate down to a normal 5 % like the other two but don't forget almost 10 million consoles where sold before the fixes so a with a estimated failure rate of 16 % still 1.6 million consoles will fail from the older ones added with a normal 5 % for the new consoles , that a lot of complaints .

So they did fix it to normal levels only you couldn't figure that out yourself !

problems have gone way down since the introduction of the falcon models with the 65 nm CPU, i haven't seen any reports of one of these newer models (introduced october) getting RROD. the models with the 65 nm GPU this fall will completely eradicate the RROD.shoeman12

Actually, the GPU also has the fault with RROD. RROD is built into every 360 console and any one of them could suffer from it :D

Well....WHY fix it if everyone keeps buying them? MS has released a few different sku#'s but non have fixed anything but their wallets.

I WILL NOT SUPPORT MS NEXT GEN...bye bye MS.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I think it's obvious that it's a design problem, not just about cheap or expensive components. There might be more than just heat problems from the main and graphics processors. If it's just heat, then cooling components would have been introduced by now and could save Microsoft hundreds per console. Which means that the newer, smaller, less-heat processors that Microsoft has been planning on may not be enough. That maybe why it has taken Microsoft so long. Changing the design to avoid RROD might interfere with the ability to play current games. This might be very negative for Microsoft.

I mean it's been more than 2 years, and Microsoft has given no clear indications yet that it has RROD fixed in the design and manufacturing. If Microsoft can't get RROD fixed by this holiday season, then it's 100% goodbye 360, and hello 720 in 2009 or 2010.

kingtito

Give it up already. We all know you support Sony.....after all I'm sure they pay you well.

You know absolutely nothing about the 360 and it's problems. You know nothing about programing. You know nothing about the Cell or it's weak sidekick Risk. What you do know is how to be one of the biggest fanboys in SWs. Your knowledge is limited and boring. Mayeb you should be devoting your time learning or impressing girls without BR.

Excuse me, but how is he being a fanboy? He's just pointing out what he thinks about the 360. There's no reason why you should get so defensive about your system. My friend (a girl gamer like me) has the RROD and she now plays her PS3 more often now. She hasn't even gotten it fixed because she told me it would be $40.00 to send it to get it fixed.

The 360 isn't a perfect system, but neither is the PS3. At least the PS3 was built to last.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I think it's obvious that it's a design problem, not just about cheap or expensive components. There might be more than just heat problems from the main and graphics processors. If it's just heat, then cooling components would have been introduced by now and could save Microsoft hundreds per console. Which means that the newer, smaller, less-heat processors that Microsoft has been planning on may not be enough. That maybe why it has taken Microsoft so long. Changing the design to avoid RROD might interfere with the ability to play current games. This might be very negative for Microsoft.

I mean it's been more than 2 years, and Microsoft has given no clear indications yet that it has RROD fixed in the design and manufacturing. If Microsoft can't get RROD fixed by this holiday season, then it's 100% goodbye 360, and hello 720 in 2009 or 2010.

canydhour

Give it up already. We all know you support Sony.....after all I'm sure they pay you well.

You know absolutely nothing about the 360 and it's problems. You know nothing about programing. You know nothing about the Cell or it's weak sidekick Risk. What you do know is how to be one of the biggest fanboys in SWs. Your knowledge is limited and boring. Mayeb you should be devoting your time learning or impressing girls without BR.

Excuse me, but how is he being a fanboy? He's just pointing out what he thinks about the 360. There's no reason why you should get so defensive about your system. My friend (a girl gamer like me) has the RROD and she now plays her PS3 more often now. She hasn't even gotten it fixed because she told me it would be $40.00 to send it to get it fixed.

The 360 isn't a perfect system, but neither is the PS3. At least the PS3 was built to last.

perhaps you should look at my sig, it will explain a lot

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I think it's obvious that it's a design problem, not just about cheap or expensive components. There might be more than just heat problems from the main and graphics processors. If it's just heat, then cooling components would have been introduced by now and could save Microsoft hundreds per console. Which means that the newer, smaller, less-heat processors that Microsoft has been planning on may not be enough. That maybe why it has taken Microsoft so long. Changing the design to avoid RROD might interfere with the ability to play current games. This might be very negative for Microsoft.

I mean it's been more than 2 years, and Microsoft has given no clear indications yet that it has RROD fixed in the design and manufacturing. If Microsoft can't get RROD fixed by this holiday season, then it's 100% goodbye 360, and hello 720 in 2009 or 2010.

canydhour

Give it up already. We all know you support Sony.....after all I'm sure they pay you well.

You know absolutely nothing about the 360 and it's problems. You know nothing about programing. You know nothing about the Cell or it's weak sidekick Risk. What you do know is how to be one of the biggest fanboys in SWs. Your knowledge is limited and boring. Mayeb you should be devoting your time learning or impressing girls without BR.

Excuse me, but how is he being a fanboy? He's just pointing out what he thinks about the 360. There's no reason why you should get so defensive about your system. My friend (a girl gamer like me) has the RROD and she now plays her PS3 more often now. She hasn't even gotten it fixed because she told me it would be $40.00 to send it to get it fixed.

The 360 isn't a perfect system, but neither is the PS3. At least the PS3 was built to last.

your friend is lying or wrong if she says she has to pay $40 to send it in. microsoft sends you a prepaid box and ships it at their expense and fixes it for free.

[QUOTE="f50p90"]It can't be fixed it's a design flaw having to do with the parts, mainly the GPU, producing too much heat. It can't really be fixed unless it's redesignedkingtito

And you know this because.................

Fanboys......sigh

And you know that he is wrong becaue....................

Fanboys...sigh

[QUOTE="canydhour"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I think it's obvious that it's a design problem, not just about cheap or expensive components. There might be more than just heat problems from the main and graphics processors. If it's just heat, then cooling components would have been introduced by now and could save Microsoft hundreds per console. Which means that the newer, smaller, less-heat processors that Microsoft has been planning on may not be enough. That maybe why it has taken Microsoft so long. Changing the design to avoid RROD might interfere with the ability to play current games. This might be very negative for Microsoft.

I mean it's been more than 2 years, and Microsoft has given no clear indications yet that it has RROD fixed in the design and manufacturing. If Microsoft can't get RROD fixed by this holiday season, then it's 100% goodbye 360, and hello 720 in 2009 or 2010.

shoeman12

Give it up already. We all know you support Sony.....after all I'm sure they pay you well.

You know absolutely nothing about the 360 and it's problems. You know nothing about programing. You know nothing about the Cell or it's weak sidekick Risk. What you do know is how to be one of the biggest fanboys in SWs. Your knowledge is limited and boring. Mayeb you should be devoting your time learning or impressing girls without BR.

Excuse me, but how is he being a fanboy? He's just pointing out what he thinks about the 360. There's no reason why you should get so defensive about your system. My friend (a girl gamer like me) has the RROD and she now plays her PS3 more often now. She hasn't even gotten it fixed because she told me it would be $40.00 to send it to get it fixed.

The 360 isn't a perfect system, but neither is the PS3. At least the PS3 was built to last.

your friend is lying or wrong if she says she has to pay $40 to send it in. microsoft sends you a prepaid box and ships it at their expense and fixes it for free.

But other than her friend, you've got to admit that what canydhour says have some credit in them, and kingtito is mad because someone is bashing his favourtie console. I don't see what's wrong with Sihanouk pointing out what he thinks about the 360.

Well....WHY fix it if everyone keeps buying them? MS has released a few different sku#'s but non have fixed anything but their wallets.

I WILL NOT SUPPORT MS NEXT GEN...bye bye MS.

FunkyHeadHunter

Lol, so true about the wallet part.... XD

I think it's obvious that it's a design problem, not just about cheap or expensive components. There might be more than just heat problems from the main and graphics processors. If it's just heat, then cooling components would have been introduced by now and could save Microsoft hundreds per console. Which means that the newer, smaller, less-heat processors that Microsoft has been planning on may not be enough. That maybe why it has taken Microsoft so long. Changing the design to avoid RROD might interfere with the ability to play current games. This might be very negative for Microsoft.

I mean it's been more than 2 years, and Microsoft has given no clear indications yet that it has RROD fixed in the design and manufacturing. If Microsoft can't get RROD fixed by this holiday season, then it's 100% goodbye 360, and hello 720 in 2009 or 2010.

Sihanouk

PS3: Why so long without any AAA exclusive?

[QUOTE="canydhour"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I think it's obvious that it's a design problem, not just about cheap or expensive components. There might be more than just heat problems from the main and graphics processors. If it's just heat, then cooling components would have been introduced by now and could save Microsoft hundreds per console. Which means that the newer, smaller, less-heat processors that Microsoft has been planning on may not be enough. That maybe why it has taken Microsoft so long. Changing the design to avoid RROD might interfere with the ability to play current games. This might be very negative for Microsoft.

I mean it's been more than 2 years, and Microsoft has given no clear indications yet that it has RROD fixed in the design and manufacturing. If Microsoft can't get RROD fixed by this holiday season, then it's 100% goodbye 360, and hello 720 in 2009 or 2010.

shoeman12

Give it up already. We all know you support Sony.....after all I'm sure they pay you well.

You know absolutely nothing about the 360 and it's problems. You know nothing about programing. You know nothing about the Cell or it's weak sidekick Risk. What you do know is how to be one of the biggest fanboys in SWs. Your knowledge is limited and boring. Mayeb you should be devoting your time learning or impressing girls without BR.

Excuse me, but how is he being a fanboy? He's just pointing out what he thinks about the 360. There's no reason why you should get so defensive about your system. My friend (a girl gamer like me) has the RROD and she now plays her PS3 more often now. She hasn't even gotten it fixed because she told me it would be $40.00 to send it to get it fixed.

The 360 isn't a perfect system, but neither is the PS3. At least the PS3 was built to last.

your friend is lying or wrong if she says she has to pay $40 to send it in. microsoft sends you a prepaid box and ships it at their expense and fixes it for free.

Maybe I don't remember exactly what she said but she did mention $40.00 to me. I've known her for about two years now and we've been truthful about certain things.

I doubt 720 will be in '09. RROD happened because they rushed out the 360 and I'm giving MS enough credit to think they won't make the same mistake twice.HeliumFear

Im sorry what?

[QUOTE="canydhour"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I think it's obvious that it's a design problem, not just about cheap or expensive components. There might be more than just heat problems from the main and graphics processors. If it's just heat, then cooling components would have been introduced by now and could save Microsoft hundreds per console. Which means that the newer, smaller, less-heat processors that Microsoft has been planning on may not be enough. That maybe why it has taken Microsoft so long. Changing the design to avoid RROD might interfere with the ability to play current games. This might be very negative for Microsoft.

I mean it's been more than 2 years, and Microsoft has given no clear indications yet that it has RROD fixed in the design and manufacturing. If Microsoft can't get RROD fixed by this holiday season, then it's 100% goodbye 360, and hello 720 in 2009 or 2010.

shoeman12

Give it up already. We all know you support Sony.....after all I'm sure they pay you well.

You know absolutely nothing about the 360 and it's problems. You know nothing about programing. You know nothing about the Cell or it's weak sidekick Risk. What you do know is how to be one of the biggest fanboys in SWs. Your knowledge is limited and boring. Mayeb you should be devoting your time learning or impressing girls without BR.

Excuse me, but how is he being a fanboy? He's just pointing out what he thinks about the 360. There's no reason why you should get so defensive about your system. My friend (a girl gamer like me) has the RROD and she now plays her PS3 more often now. She hasn't even gotten it fixed because she told me it would be $40.00 to send it to get it fixed.

The 360 isn't a perfect system, but neither is the PS3. At least the PS3 was built to last.

your friend is lying or wrong if she says she has to pay $40 to send it in. microsoft sends you a prepaid box and ships it at their expense and fixes it for free.

Only if you get the three red lights. Coincidentally, the Xbox has more problems than heatsink or GPU failure.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I think it's obvious that it's a design problem, not just about cheap or expensive components. There might be more than just heat problems from the main and graphics processors. If it's just heat, then cooling components would have been introduced by now and could save Microsoft hundreds per console. Which means that the newer, smaller, less-heat processors that Microsoft has been planning on may not be enough. That maybe why it has taken Microsoft so long. Changing the design to avoid RROD might interfere with the ability to play current games. This might be very negative for Microsoft.

I mean it's been more than 2 years, and Microsoft has given no clear indications yet that it has RROD fixed in the design and manufacturing. If Microsoft can't get RROD fixed by this holiday season, then it's 100% goodbye 360, and hello 720 in 2009 or 2010.

clone01

PS3: Why so long without any AAA exclusive?

And that is relavent to this discussion how? Anyways, the failure rate is still 33% and a quick glance over at Amazon for the Elite should tell you the problem hasn't been fixed in the least.

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]problems have gone way down since the introduction of the falcon models with the 65 nm CPU, i haven't seen any reports of one of these newer models (introduced october) getting RROD. the models with the 65 nm GPU this fall will completely eradicate the RROD.ski11buzz

so you're saying by fall there will be no more RROD? doubt it

The only reason you doubt it is because rabid cows, like yourself, don't want it to go away. You cows just want more to complain about, so you'll feel better about your BluRay player.