Regarding Final Fantasy 13's "Horrible" 360 Port (not truly a FF13 thr

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#1 ImageChef
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Frankly, stop pretending you understand the tech So recently people have been pointing to the recently released Final Fantasy 13 screenshots for the 360. From this, they're claiming that it's a sloppy port, etc. Besides the fact that they're completely ignoring everything besides the present (hello! people said it looked just as good, if not a tad crisper when they played it at the FF13 Square-Enix Event!), people are forgetting something--> they don't understand crap. The recently released Final Fantasy 13 screenshots are awful, and I can tell you why. No, it's not because the 360 version runs at such a non-HD resolution or because it suffers from aliasing (it doesn't). Want to know? Because...well..just look at the images. It has .jpg compression written all over it. Really, that's it. YOU guys caused these essentially. These were obviously hastily taken in response to the fakes (which in reality it could have been a fake from the dev kit). See this pic? (see below). It has a friggen mouse pointer on it. Others have weird cropping (black rims), and whatnot. So please, stop. And for the sake of god, remember, don't pretend you know something when you don't. You guys don't understand all these technical aspects of games. This basic thing is pure evidence of that facet. And furthermore, this applies to all games, not just FF13. And as a side note, please, back off of stop like differences between versions of Darksiders, Devil May Cry, Red Faction, etc. They look exactly the same, save for hugely minor things like coloring (something usually adjustable). Anyway, peace. Just remember, elvis didn't do no drugs. (screenshot of reference--others also in gallery of examples) http://screenshots.teamxbox.com/screen/95886/Final-Fantasy-XIII/ *** Mods: Remember, the focus of this thread is not Final Fantasy 13 itself. Rather, it is upon the blind persona that posters take on these forums when the pretend and claim to know what they're talking about when it comes to tech. Edit: Because links are God here: http://www.n4g.com/News-477962.aspx
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Both are JPEG format. :?

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#3 WiiMan21
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Says the level 1 who doesn't want to be wrong and bashed off the site.

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#4 II_Seraphim_II
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I guess denial is not a river in Egypt :(
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#5 spike6566
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Nice post TC still doesn't change the fact, the 360 version looks downgraded. When compares to the ps3
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#6 ImageChef
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So...people are just saying nu-uh? So care to explain the black edges? Another 360-artifact? At least the 360 version has exclusive mouse pointer enemies! Why is it that no one listens to someone who knows what they're talking about but completely accepts the words of "hip-hop gamer?" Doesn't make any sense.
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. Edit: Because links are God here: http://www.n4g.com/News-477962.aspx
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#8 KittenWishes
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Who cares, it'll be an avaerage game anyway. At least the port isn't an absolute disaster like the PS3 version of Bayonetta.
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TC, could you please explain to me how someone at X10(a Microsoft event) was able to determine that the 360 version looked more crisp when it was OBVIOUSLY THE ONLY VERSION OF THE GAME RUNNING at a MICROSOFT ONLY event?????????????????

OBVIOUSLY there was no PS3 version of XIII on display to directly compare with at X10:roll:

On the other hand, on the FFXIII bus in SF, many gamers along with IGN who got to see both versions running side by side on the exact same HDTV's said the PS3 version clearly looked better:o Woops.

And jpeg is now to blame??? Uh did you know that BOTH the PS3 and 360 comparrison shots are JPEG and suffer from the EXACT same compression???

Nice try man, but no cigar, not even a whiff of tobacco for you.

And to ruin your party even more, here's a shot with pixel analysis proving that the game runs at 576P(which is SD resolution in Europe btw) by "MazingerDUDE, who performs tasks for well respected analysis website Digital Foundry". - So don't bother screaming "fake".

On a positive note, we now have an SD version of XIII, so congrats Wii owners! You are now much closer to the chance of getting XIII on the Wii:twisted:

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[QUOTE="mztazmz"]

TC, could you please explain to me how someone at X10(a Microsoft event) was able to determine that the 360 version looked more crisp when it was OBVIOUSLY THE ONLY VERSION OF THE GAME RUNNING at a MICROSOFT ONLY event?????????????????

OBVIOUSLY there was no PS3 version of XIII on display to directly compare with at X10:roll:

On the other hand, on the FFXIII bus in SF, many gamers along with IGN who got to see both versions running side by side on the exact same HDTV's said the PS3 version clearly looked better:o Woops.

And jpeg is now to blame??? Uh did you know that BOTH the PS3 and 360 comparrison shots are JPEG and suffer from the EXACT same compression???

Nice try man, but no cigar, not even a whiff of tobacco for you.

And to ruin your party even more, here's a shot with pixel analysis proving that the game runs at 576P(which is SD resolution in Europe btw) by "MazingerDUDE, who performs tasks for well respected analysis website Digital Foundry". - So don't bother screaming "fake".

On a positive note, we now have an SD version of XIII, so congrats Wii owners! You are now much closer to the chance of getting XIII on the Wii:twisted:

An analysis like that would obviously be affected by what I described....that's strikingly obvious. Do you even understand what he's doing there to get the resolution? lol. Again, stop talking about things you absolutely don't understand. But thanks for posting the screenshot-- it gives an example of something I was talking about (can't post pics). See that thin black bar on the left edge of the screenshot? Again, example of haste. As far as more crisp comment, that's something IGN said. I could probably did up the quote. Something funny though- I'm rather sure I recall another author of IGN saying the opposite. Something tells me there's no difference.
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#12 FIipMode
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Cows accepted their inferior version of Bayonetta, why is it so hard to accept that one version of FF13 is inferior to the other?
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Id like to make a clarification for the tc. The gamespot preview which claims that the 360 version looks better took place at an SE event NOT at X10....please change the op...
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Okay, so apparently it was actually gamespot who said the 360 version looked more crisp. http://www.gamespot.com/events/microsoftx10/story.html?sid=6248500&tag=top_stories;title;3 http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/106/1061264p1.html
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#15 mztazmz
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Here's a couple direct comparrison screens(no mouse pointers or black borders) of both PS3 and 360. a FAIR comparrison to be sure.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19857881&postcount=12055

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#16 ImageChef
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[QUOTE="mztazmz"]

Here's a couple direct comparrison screens(no mouse pointers or black borders) of both PS3 and 360. a FAIR comparrison to be sure.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19857881&postcount=12055

It's from the same batch and it does have a black border.... Lordy lord. You know. I really don't understand. Seeing as how there's so many things wrong with the latest pics, and sources, overall, conclude by the SE event that the versions look indiscernible, why I people cling invalid info? Jees... I think people have trouble assessing things. I posted a thread with a completely BS link talking about the N-Gage 2. No one's is catching on yet.
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Id like to make a clarification for the tc. The gamespot preview which claims that the 360 version looks better took place at an SE event NOT at X10....please change the op...wolverine4262
Yup, thanks to you I looked it up and it happened in London. Which brings to question more than ever what the hell were GS looking at?
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[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Id like to make a clarification for the tc. The gamespot preview which claims that the 360 version looks better took place at an SE event NOT at X10....please change the op...Chutebox
Yup, thanks to you I looked it up and it happened in London. Which brings to question more than ever what the hell were GS looking at?

Im planning on canceling my 360 pre-order now and just waiting for some proper reviews...These pics DO seem to lack proper quality though...
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So...FF13 still sub HD?

So much angry lemming tears.

Creating a level one account just to ban dodge really shows how confident you are with your own words, which is zero.

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[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Id like to make a clarification for the tc. The gamespot preview which claims that the 360 version looks better took place at an SE event NOT at X10....please change the op...Chutebox
Yup, thanks to you I looked it up and it happened in London. Which brings to question more than ever what the hell were GS looking at?

Maybe the guys at the event just took a PS3 slim and put an X360 cover over it :P

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#21 ImageChef
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[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

So...FF13 still sub HD?

So much angry lemming tears.

Creating a level one account just to ban dodge really shows how confident you are with your own words, which is zero.

I don't have an account here. I use to, but don't anymore. So this is how you guys respond though. You're obviously oblivious to everything here though. Claiming .jpg can't suffer from varying levels of compression. Completely ignoring evidence such as the mouse pointer, the obviousness that it's a low quality pic overall, and most comical--> posting a pic with the bad cropping black border and claiming it to be one without. How can someone like you spot differences in such small details in general fi you can't catch that?
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#22 mztazmz
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[QUOTE="mztazmz"]

TC, could you please explain to me how someone at X10(a Microsoft event) was able to determine that the 360 version looked more crisp when it was OBVIOUSLY THE ONLY VERSION OF THE GAME RUNNING at a MICROSOFT ONLY event?????????????????

OBVIOUSLY there was no PS3 version of XIII on display to directly compare with at X10:roll:

On the other hand, on the FFXIII bus in SF, many gamers along with IGN who got to see both versions running side by side on the exact same HDTV's said the PS3 version clearly looked better:o Woops.

And jpeg is now to blame??? Uh did you know that BOTH the PS3 and 360 comparrison shots are JPEG and suffer from the EXACT same compression???

Nice try man, but no cigar, not even a whiff of tobacco for you.

And to ruin your party even more, here's a shot with pixel analysis proving that the game runs at 576P(which is SD resolution in Europe btw) by "MazingerDUDE, who performs tasks for well respected analysis website Digital Foundry". - So don't bother screaming "fake".

On a positive note, we now have an SD version of XIII, so congrats Wii owners! You are now much closer to the chance of getting XIII on the Wii:twisted:

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An analysis like that would obviously be affected by what I described....that's strikingly obvious. Do you even understand what he's doing there to get the resolution? lol. Again, stop talking about things you absolutely don't understand. But thanks for posting the screenshot-- it gives an example of something I was talking about (can't post pics). See that thin black bar on the left edge of the screenshot? Again, example of haste. As far as more crisp comment, that's something IGN said. I could probably did up the quote. Something funny though- I'm rather sure I recall another author of IGN saying the opposite. Something tells me there's no difference.

So what part of "MazingerDUDE, who performs tasks for well respected analysis website Digital Foundry" do you fail to understand???

key words "WELL RESPECTED"

Did you know that this is the SAME method they used to determine that Halo 3 was 640P? And that Bungie freely ADMITTED that Halo 3 does in fact run at 640P???

In other words, this method of determing native resolution has been PROVEN to be accurate.

So we are to believe YOU over Digital Foundry and BUNGIE???? WOW!

You're done dude. And you should maybe never post this sentence again , ever:"stop talking about things you absolutely don't understand" LOL, whatever:roll: