Regarding the credibility of the PSM killzone 2 10/10 review.

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#1 claywalker21
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PSM gives fair honest and unbiased reviews so just because killzone2 got AAAA from them they arnt biased and the game has been finished for months now so the code they recieved was the review code and isnt going to be to much differnt from the final game.

just look at there previous scores for ps3 games.The gave none above AA

Haze 2.5/5
Lair 2.5/5
Resistance 2: 4/5
Uncharted 4/5
Heavenly Sword 4/5
Warhawk 3.5/5
GT5P 4/5

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#2 Panther501
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the lemmings are scared for another ps3 AAA
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#3 metalgear-solid
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What did they give MGS4 anyway?
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#4 sumner1456
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man, can i get this OPM in the UK or is it a US exclusive review, would be quite interested in reading the review, as for credibility, it dosen't really matter there will be enough reviews out before the games fully released to know whether its good or not.
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#6 GinoNYC
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lol at the Haze and lair 5/5:lol:JangoWuzHere
Uh, 2.5.
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#7 WilliamRLBaker
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I hate gamespot forums it constantly messes up and wont post my posts >(

as for that clay you know for fact if it was OXM reviewing an 360 exclusive game and giving it a 10 you would openly and as loudly as possible be questioning its credibility.

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#8 mitu123
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I hate gamespot forums it constantly messes up and wont post my posts >(

as for that clay you know for fact if it was OXM reviewing an 360 exclusive game and giving it a 10 you would openly and as loudly as possible be questioning its credibility.

The funny thing is that Gears of War got a 10/10 from OXM.
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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]lol at the Haze and lair 5/5:lol:GinoNYC
Uh, 2.5.

ya I know I did not have my glasses on so I did not see the 2. Sorry.
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#10 Cedmln
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Great things to come from Killzone 2. :D Don't hate just becuse a PlayStation oriented magazine gave it a ten. THey're not saying its perfect. Just saying its a gem in current gaming history in some way (Most likely because of the overall graphics and presentation).
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#11 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I hate gamespot forums it constantly messes up and wont post my posts >(

as for that clay you know for fact if it was OXM reviewing an 360 exclusive game and giving it a 10 you would openly and as loudly as possible be questioning its credibility.

The funny thing is that Gears of War got a 10/10 from OXM.

which 1? 1 or 2? *did research* it was 1 that received 10/10 on OXM and the original Game DESERVED unlike killzone 2 but thats not really the point is it? the point is that its hypocritical to get all mad about PSM's credibility being questioned and yet clay would be the one questioning credibility if it was oxm and a 360 exclusive.
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#12 Gamingcucumber
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Well, Killzone 2 better not flop. I don't think it will, but let's also be honest here. There is no way that PSM would flop one of the biggest PS3 games out there. Killzone 2 is going to be quite the game though.
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#13 XTy
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PSM is run by the old XBOX MAGAZINE EDITOR, and has even gone as far as to make numorous comparison's to the 360 after he took his new post at PSM (The old staff quit, forcing the company to fix it fast). He has tried to keep an balanced view, but his bias comes out from time to time.

If he likes KZ2, that would be a shocker, but it could be one of his editors. He is the chief though, and he needs to approve everything.

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#14 Can-o-Mark
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You do know that PSM is like the Santa Claus of perfect scores right?
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#15 ReaperV7
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[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I hate gamespot forums it constantly messes up and wont post my posts >(

as for that clay you know for fact if it was OXM reviewing an 360 exclusive game and giving it a 10 you would openly and as loudly as possible be questioning its credibility.

WilliamRLBaker

The funny thing is that Gears of War got a 10/10 from OXM.

which 1? 1 or 2? *did research* it was 1 that received 10/10 on OXM and the original Game DESERVED unlike killzone 2 but thats not really the point is it? the point is that its hypocritical to get all mad about PSM's credibility being questioned and yet clay would be the one questioning credibility if it was oxm and a 360 exclusive.

wow...dude thats not even funny :?.....just shocking.....i cant believe you said that.....wow..:?

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#16 Dreams-Visions
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people will question the integrity of the review because it's made by an official magazine. if this were an xbox 360 game and it were reviewed first by OXM or TeamXbox, the review would be questioned by you and others, as is only fair. Fact. Just let the people wait until more reviews come. there's no hurry. if the game is good, it will prove itself so over time. don't force people to accept a review from a magazine that serves nobody but PlayStation fans as the final authority on all things gaming.
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#17 Disturbed123
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the people who review games first tend to over rate the games majority of the time. Look at Too Human, got like 9 out of 10 from a magazine and was the first review, look how it turned out :P
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#18 kweeni
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so exited for that game :D
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#19 overratedgames
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meter reads 0%.

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#21 obamanian
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PSM gives fair honest and unbiased reviews so just because killzone2 got AAAA from them they arnt biased and the game has been finished for months now so the code they recieved was the review code and isnt going to be to much differnt from the final game.

just look at there previous scores for ps3 games.The gave none above AA

Haze 2.5/5
Lair 2.5/5
Resistance 2: 4/5
Uncharted 4/5
Heavenly Sword 4/5
Warhawk 3.5/5
GT5P 4/5

claywalker21

What did they give to MGS4 and LBP ?

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#22 heretrix
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What did they give the original?
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#23 Floppy_Jim
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What did they give the original?heretrix

9.5 according to Wikipedia :?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killzone

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#24 overratedgames
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where the scans?
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#25 EuroMafia
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]What did they give the original?Floppy_Jim

9.5 according to Wikipedia :?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killzone

Very credible.
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]What did they give the original?Floppy_Jim

9.5 according to Wikipedia :?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killzone

Wow...

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#27 overratedgames
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one reason why killzone2 owns the multiplayer maps are based on the single player maps like duke nukem 3d/quake 1/2.

i think when they actually designed the maps souly for online play they werent as fun like in quake 3 arena.

i mean killzone2 maps are made for online...but not ground up...i think when people make maps ground up for online not as fun.

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#28 SgtWhiskeyjack
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the lemmings are scared for another ps3 AAAPanther501

:roll: Absolutelty terrified.

Why does the TC claim it got 10/10 when it's quite clearly 5/5? could have said 1,000,000/1,000,000

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Well here's a simple question, what does KZ2 do to justify a score that suggests it sets itself apart from other shooters? Now I am not a PS3 gamer so cannot get any experience with the game, all I can go by is the provided media; which looks like a generic shooter to me.
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#30 delta3074
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[QUOTE="claywalker21"]

PSM gives fair honest and unbiased reviews so just because killzone2 got AAAA from them they arnt biased and the game has been finished for months now so the code they recieved was the review code and isnt going to be to much differnt from the final game.

just look at there previous scores for ps3 games.The gave none above AA

Haze 2.5/5
Lair 2.5/5
Resistance 2: 4/5
Uncharted 4/5
Heavenly Sword 4/5
Warhawk 3.5/5
GT5P 4/5

Gaming_Guru_Guy

PSM's cred is fine it is just that the XBOX Zombies are scared that KZ2 will be as good as they know it is in their hearts, and that scares the hell out of them.

trouble is, this guy would be the first to say OXM has no credidbility if they give a 360 game 10/10, now he comes on here talking about how credible it's sister magazine (psm), according to these guys every playstation magazine has credibility and every xbox magazine does not, so you can forgive people for not taking him seriously when he says PSM has good credibility.
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#31 heretrix
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]What did they give the original?Floppy_Jim

9.5 according to Wikipedia :?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killzone

Hmmm. That's troubling. BUT from what I've seen so far, it's really hard to see how this game will fail. So far, most of the people who have played it says it's pretty good. Oh well, 1 more month to go.
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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]What did they give the original?heretrix

9.5 according to Wikipedia :?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killzone

Hmmm. That's troubling. BUT from what I've seen so far, it's really hard to see how this game will fail. So far, most of the people who have played it says it's pretty good. Oh well, 1 more month to go.

I agree. Even though their review for KZ1 was way off, I don't see KZ2 flopping across the board. I wonder if it was a different reviewer.
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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]What did they give the original?heretrix

9.5 according to Wikipedia :?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killzone

Hmmm. That's troubling. BUT from what I've seen so far, it's really hard to see how this game will fail. So far, most of the people who have played it says it's pretty good. Oh well, 1 more month to go.

I can see it failling to meet a 9, which would end in a flop, would that make it a bad game. No, Just a flop.

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[QUOTE="heretrix"]What did they give the original?Floppy_Jim

9.5 according to Wikipedia :?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killzone

Credibility lost. I'm not saying KZ2 is going to flop or suck or anything else. I'm just saying that when PSM gives a game a 10, it doesnt mean anything.
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#35 delta3074
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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]What did they give the original?heretrix

9.5 according to Wikipedia :?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killzone

Hmmm. That's troubling. BUT from what I've seen so far, it's really hard to see how this game will fail. So far, most of the people who have played it says it's pretty good. Oh well, 1 more month to go.

i don't personally think this game will fail, it has everything cod4 had, but with better graphics/lighting, and who cares if it's a generic shooter, halo 3 is a generic shooter and left4dead is about as generic as a first person shooter cna get, what i am getting sick of is cows using any excuse to introduce killzone 2 as graphics king into every thread on this board, there was a thread yesterday abou RE5 looking better on the 360, nothing to do with KZ2 but lo and behold by the third page the cows had turned it in to a killzone 2 thread,i was going to buy a ps3 to play killzone 2, but the cows have ruined it for me now, i'm actually getting pig sick of hearing about the game.
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[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

9.5 according to Wikipedia :?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killzone

delta3074

Hmmm. That's troubling. BUT from what I've seen so far, it's really hard to see how this game will fail. So far, most of the people who have played it says it's pretty good. Oh well, 1 more month to go.

i don't personally think this game will fail, it has everything cod4 had, but with better graphics/lighting, and who cares if it's a generic shooter, halo 3 is a generic shooter and left4dead is about as generic as a first person shooter cna get, what i am getting sick of is cows using any excuse to introduce killzone 2 as graphics king into every thread on this board, there was a thread yesterday abou RE5 looking better on the 360, nothing to do with KZ2 but lo and behold by the third page the cows had turned it in to a killzone 2 thread,i was going to buy a ps3 to play killzone 2, but the cows have ruined it for me now, i'm actually getting pig sick of hearing about the game.

cows have ruined your decision of buying a ps3? :?

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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]What did they give the original?Can-o-Mark

9.5 according to Wikipedia :?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killzone

Credibility lost. I'm not saying KZ2 is going to flop or suck or anything else. I'm just saying that when PSM gives a game a 10, it doesnt mean anything.

It's been 4 years. Staff changes, people become better reviewers, more FPS have been available on the PS3(compared to so little to compare to on thhe PS2), and it's really hypocritical for lemmings to denounce this when they post every OXM score.
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and it's really hypocritical for lemmings to denounce this when they post every OXM score.senses_fail_06

It is also hypocritical for cows to use a PSM score after denouncing the OXM scores the lemmings post. Both sides do it.

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[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]and it's really hypocritical for lemmings to denounce this when they post every OXM score.Chaos_HL21

It is also hypocritical for cows to use a PSM score after denouncing the OXM scores the lemmings post. Both sides do it.

yes, I agree.
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#40 sirk1264
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Credibility will always be questioned when a game is reviewed by PSM, OXM, or any other mag or site that is pro one console. I'd rather wait and see what the likes of 1up, GI, EGM, Eurogamer, IGN say before we can judge and see if KZ2 is going to be great. I have it preordered so even if it doesn't score AAA, I'll still be gettin it.
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#41 delta3074
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remember "only gamepot scores count here" so let's wait and see what it gets here shall we? any one for a cup of tea while we wait?
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#42 Can-o-Mark
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[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

9.5 according to Wikipedia :?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killzone

senses_fail_06
Credibility lost. I'm not saying KZ2 is going to flop or suck or anything else. I'm just saying that when PSM gives a game a 10, it doesnt mean anything.

It's been 4 years. Staff changes, people become better reviewers, more FPS have been available on the PS3(compared to so little to compare to on thhe PS2), and it's really hypocritical for lemmings to denounce this when they post every OXM score.

Im not a lemming. And I dont go by OXM scores either.
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Halo killer, possibly.
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#44 obamanian
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So, what did thery give MGS4 and LBP ?
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#45 mitu123
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]What did they give the original?Floppy_Jim

9.5 according to Wikipedia :?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killzone

WTF, really, that's got to be a joke. Although AceGamez did give the 1st Killzone a 10/10, which I strongly disagree.
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#46 ninjaxmas
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seeing as i got a free subscription, i'd have to say their reviews are very well written and seem pretty unbiased. they hand out bad scores when they should and rarely give out 5/5s. to see that KZ2 recieved such a score from anyone including this mag is great.
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#47 deactivated-5e7be39d87e0b
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I'd rather wait for scores from less "embedded" magazines and sites. The game looks good, and hopefully it plays just as good.
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#48 FunkyHeadHunter
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PSM gives fair honest and unbiased reviews so just because killzone2 got AAAA from them they arnt biased and the game has been finished for months now so the code they recieved was the review code and isnt going to be to much differnt from the final game.

just look at there previous scores for ps3 games.The gave none above AA

Haze 2.5/5
Lair 2.5/5
Resistance 2: 4/5
Uncharted 4/5
Heavenly Sword 4/5
Warhawk 3.5/5
GT5P 4/5

claywalker21

Well back when I use to buy magazines all the time...I remember the Xbox magazine would give games perfect scores or nearly perfect all the time. What are the official magazines going to do? Rate a game less than perfect.....Nobody would buy their machine if they have true scores.

This is why I have stated 100000 times....I score games myself and never listen to other scores. IF I read a thread and see REAL people giving scores..then I listen a little more. But offical magazines and offical "MS,SONY,NIN" websites...NO Thanks.

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#49 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I hate gamespot forums it constantly messes up and wont post my posts >(

as for that clay you know for fact if it was OXM reviewing an 360 exclusive game and giving it a 10 you would openly and as loudly as possible be questioning its credibility.

WilliamRLBaker

The funny thing is that Gears of War got a 10/10 from OXM.

which 1? 1 or 2? *did research* it was 1 that received 10/10 on OXM and the original Game DESERVED unlike killzone 2 but thats not really the point is it? the point is that its hypocritical to get all mad about PSM's credibility being questioned and yet clay would be the one questioning credibility if it was oxm and a 360 exclusive.

Wait, how do you know KZ2 won't deserve a 10?

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#50 Wasdie  Moderator
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OPM has usually been quite harsh on Sony 1st party titles.