releasing one year after 360 doesnt give ps3 a reason to be behind in sales

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#1 slipknot0129
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It was sony's choice to release a year behind 360. In that time they could have looked how great 360's dashboard is and improved upon it. Instead they went the cheap route and made things free. Being free means they would always be a step behind. Most people see that and bought 360's instead. They didnt get achievements for a long time so games felt incomplete compared to 360 games. Releasing one year afterisnt a reason for sony to be behind 360. It was sony's fault for not learning why people pay for xbox live.

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#3 vashkey
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Lets be honest though, that first Year Microsoft had pretty much went to waste. It didn't release it's first killer app, Gears of War, until like a week before the PS3 came out. With an extra year in the cooker we might not be facing the hardware problems that still plague the 360 to this day. If anything I'd say it's completely possible that head start have don't just as much harm as good.
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#4 FIipMode
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Response threads are unnecessary.
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#5 88mphSlayer
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you know what else released a year later than the competition, priced higher, was super-hyped for superior graphics capabilities, was bought for movie playback and had major exclusives delayed until a year or more after release?

the PS2

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#6 soulitane
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They didnt get achievements for a long time so games felt incomplete compared to 360 games

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That's just ridiculous. So if I were to go play a ps2 game would it feel incomplete?

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#7 jasonharris48
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[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

They didnt get achievements for a long time so games felt incomplete compared to 360 games

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That's just ridiculous. So if I were to go play a ps2 game would it feel incomplete?

Beat me to it.

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#8 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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The 360s first year was kind of bad. I'm pretty sure Gears was purposefully delayed to somewhat coincide with the ps3 launch, but initial games for the 360 were being compared to the original xbox. Some games like Splinter Cell were not even a step up. Perfect Dark was a big stinker, as well. The machine was surely rushed to the market.

The $600 price tag of the ps3 is what really held it back. I know I wasn't about to spend 600 for one. Heck I probably wouldn't have ever bought a ps3 if my xbox hadnt Red Ringed. At least Sony released a reliable product. In the half year that I've owned a ps3, between dvd/blu rays/games, the machine has probably been put through more use than the 360 that I've had for 4 years. That's not saying I didn't use the 360, its just saying that the ps3 has been in constant use since I got it.

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What did MS do with there "Year head start" Besides be the only option for those who wanted a next gen system? Release killer apps? No Release solid Hardware? Hell no I think MS would have built a much better machine than what they threw up onto the market that jumped at the first available machine on the market. With another year we might not be plagued by the RROD as bad as we know today. Both sides really stumbled out of the gate $600 price tag? that was a big mistep, and Sony themselves didn't have anything stellar at launch either. But how does this equate to Sony being behind in sales? To put it bluntly if they both released at the same time the PS3 would be ahead, we can only speculate that with the data collected but it could have turned out the other way still. But as it stands PS3 is behind a year in sales...because they released a year later ...duh.
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#10 Timstuff
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The 360 doesn't have an excuse for its 7 million unit year's head start having shrunk down to 5 million even though its closest competitor was $200 more expensive at launch.

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#11 moistsandwich
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Lets be honest though, that first Year Microsoft had pretty much went to waste. It didn't release it's first killer app, Gears of War, until like a week before the PS3 came out. With an extra year in the cooker we might not be facing the hardware problems that still plague the 360 to this day. If anything I'd say it's completely possible that head start have don't just as much harm as good. vashkey

I agree with this 100%

Also... Sony fanboys can't blame sales on a year headstart by MS, when the Wii released at the same time as the PS3 but is killing the 360 in sales.

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What's 360s excuse for the Wii blowing by it in less than a year
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#13 Chutebox
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It isn't the reason, but it certainly does contribute.

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#14 93soccer
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There was already a thread, why didn't you reply there? Fad threads are lame
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#15 ShadowriverUB
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People,maybe ones look at charts conted as sales since consoles lanch, you will notice that PS3 and 360 sales in same speed, why do you think gap been always mainained between 10-5 mil? and whats it's more funny that even on higher price and 360 as cheap alternative they still sold in same speed. Head start practicly saved 360, but we can'r predict what would happen if PS3 would beenfirst

But yeah, PS3 mostly suffered (compire to PS2) from price and it's little sad when people wonder why PS3 loseing hardware features (and some what them back).... guess what, because they makeing it cheaper

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Lets be honest though, that first Year Microsoft had pretty much went to waste. It didn't release it's first killer app, Gears of War, until like a week before the PS3 came out. With an extra year in the cooker we might not be facing the hardware problems that still plague the 360 to this day. If anything I'd say it's completely possible that head start have don't just as much harm as good. vashkey
If they launched at the same time, PS3 would have won. Simple as that. Maybe releasing early done MS some harm, but they also took a big chunk of the market share, and Wii is in a league of its own.
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If you think about how many 360s sold were RRoD replacements it's not really ahead

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It was sony's choice to release a year behind 360. In that time they could have looked how great 360's dashboard is and improved upon it. Instead they went the cheap route and made things free. Being free means they would always be a step behind. Most people see that and bought 360's instead. They didnt get achievements for a long time so games felt incomplete compared to 360 games. Releasing one year afterisnt a reason for sony to be behind 360. It was sony's fault for not learning why people pay for xbox live.

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Sony skroo it up sooooo much this gen that trying so desperatly to find excuses , that simply came up with this...among others. I totally agree , i was / am Sony fan though i dont even think about buy a PS3. Was near to buy one the first 2 years , but i drop this buy. Many reasons drive me away of sony , and for this console gen i trusted my PC alone. Sony had so high expectations that if you remember , told various sites/analysts that will go as strong as ever , maybe better than PSone/Ps2 . Well that not only was far from truth , but PS3 struggle for more than 4 years to catch X360. Now , many may disagree but IS NOT X360 that doin SUPER good this gen so made PS3 look that bad in dead third place. X360 doin a bit better than original Xbox ... ITS PS3 that doin SOOOOO bad this gen considering its predecessors that makes X360 and competition in general looks like they actually doin so goood. Thats a fact and considering Sony loses the last 2 years of near 2 billions only from entertainment division where PS3 is the protagonist of this loss , you understand PS3 doing so bad like NO OTHER CONSOLE made such loses to their companies ever..... Now , dont get me wrong im not saying PS3 aint got good games or is not solid console to play with. Im talking about sales alone and how bad ( because we cant deny that ) comparing it to PS/PS2 , PS3 did... Because being dead last for 4 years straight , struggle to go to second place on sale charts . billion loses ... ... And be .."happy" that you might catch up second in 5ith year of your life cycle.........!! Thats preposterous for Sony caiber console to come up with such.. excuses.... Period...
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#19 erglesmergle
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Slipknot0151 is probably one of GS' ultimate 360 supporters.

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#20 jasonharris48
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Slipknot0151 is probably one of GS' ultimate 360 supporters.

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I guess there isn't anything wrong with that. Now on the other hand his bad taste in music lol.

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#21 dah_master
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[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

It was sony's choice to release a year behind 360. In that time they could have looked how great 360's dashboard is and improved upon it. Instead they went the cheap route and made things free. Being free means they would always be a step behind. Most people see that and bought 360's instead. They didnt get achievements for a long time so games felt incomplete compared to 360 games. Releasing one year afterisnt a reason for sony to be behind 360. It was sony's fault for not learning why people pay for xbox live.

AzatiS

Sony skroo it up sooooo much this gen that trying so desperatly to find excuses , that simply came up with this...among others. I totally agree , i was / am Sony fan though i dont even think about buy a PS3. Was near to buy one the first 2 years , but i drop this buy. Many reasons drive me away of sony , and for this console gen i trusted my PC alone. Sony had so high expectations that if you remember , told various sites/analysts that will go as strong as ever , maybe better than PSone/Ps2 . Well that not only was far from truth , but PS3 struggle for more than 4 years to catch X360. Now , many may disagree but IS NOT X360 that doin SUPER good this gen so made PS3 look that bad in dead third place. X360 doin a bit better than original Xbox ... ITS PS3 that doin SOOOOO bad this gen considering its predecessors that makes X360 and competition in general looks like they actually doin so goood. Thats a fact and considering Sony loses the last 2 years of near 2 billions only from entertainment division where PS3 is the protagonist of this loss , you understand PS3 doing so bad like NO OTHER CONSOLE made such loses to their companies ever..... Now , dont get me wrong im not saying PS3 aint got good games or is not solid console to play with. Im talking about sales alone and how bad ( because we cant deny that ) comparing it to PS/PS2 , PS3 did... Because being dead last for 4 years straight , struggle to go to second place on sale charts . billion loses ... ... And be .."happy" that you might catch up second in 5ith year of your life cycle.........!! Thats preposterous for Sony caiber console to come up with such.. excuses.... Period...

Well it may look bad comparing it to the PS2 and PS1 but,the PS3 is catching up with the360 in a 5 million gap...even though the 360 had a 7 million headstart. I think Sony should be rewarded or something.

Oh yeah work on your grammar :D

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#22 ActicEdge
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It actually is a reason to be behind. The real thing is that I don't have to accept it as valid because Sony chose their launch independant of everyone else.

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It was sony's choice to release a year behind 360. In that time they could have looked how great 360's dashboard is and improved upon it. Instead they went the cheap route and made things free. Being free means they would always be a step behind. Most people see that and bought 360's instead. They didnt get achievements for a long time so games felt incomplete compared to 360 games. Releasing one year afterisnt a reason for sony to be behind 360. It was sony's fault for not learning why people pay for xbox live.

slipknot0129

Anyone who feels a game is incomplete just because they didnt have a rewards syestem needs to reasses their life. Also, I thinkt he amin reason is they released at 600 dollars. They can have everything they did at launch, and I think it would have sold more then 360 mainly off of brand recognition. But it did have some great stuff at launch.

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[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]What did MS do with there "Year head start" Besides be the only option for those who wanted a next gen system? Release killer apps? No Release solid Hardware? Hell no I think MS would have built a much better machine than what they threw up onto the market that jumped at the first available machine on the market. With another year we might not be plagued by the RROD as bad as we know today. Both sides really stumbled out of the gate $600 price tag? that was a big mistep, and Sony themselves didn't have anything stellar at launch either. But how does this equate to Sony being behind in sales? To put it bluntly if they both released at the same time the PS3 would be ahead, we can only speculate that with the data collected but it could have turned out the other way still. But as it stands PS3 is behind a year in sales...because they released a year later ...duh.

Well put. I think gamers were ready for a next gen system and since Microsoft released theirs first, well a lot of people jumped on it. I love my 360 and my PS3,but since I purchased the 360 first, I have a much larger library of games for it, and when I started buying games that were available for both console I decided to get them on the 360. I did that because I had already established a pretty good online community and my Gamerscore also came into play. I think someone else posted about multiplats and achievements luring gamers to the 360, and while it is a small factor, it still was a factor to some. I think thats why Sony came up with the trophy setup.
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#25 Kokuro_Kun
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Umm yes it does. MS has a whole year on Sony. If MS stopped production for a year and let Sony play ball alone, they would own most of the market again easily. This is my opinion of course.
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#26 XboximusPrime
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Well, I thought my 360 was awesome since day one. My PS3, not so much. But I didnt have fun with resistence.

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#27 lion640
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yeah but how many of 360s sales that put it in the lead are people re buying the system because of hardware malfunctions?
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#28 dercoo
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People say it wasted its first year, guess what, most launched consoles do. The first year at best usually gets 1-2 good games. So while the PS3 was starting its first year (the bad year) the 360 was starting its 2nd (when the good stuff starts to hit).

The bad year (game wise) is almost unavoidable.

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#29 dkjestrup
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The year headstart was extremely important. Because people saw the 360 for the next gen, and brought it because it was the only HD console out. Also, because the 360 was released earlier, a lot of games that would've been multiplats (GRAW) were released for it simply because it was the only next gen console out. Sony was obviously wanting the PS2 gen to last as long as possible, as it was extremely successful. When systems are as successful as the PS2 then you start to see a lot of third party exclusives (Final Fantasy, GTA) because they don't gain a lot of sales from going multiplat. This gen the only reason the 360 hasn't failed is because it quickly got a lead, and third parties had to develop for it or they wouldn't make enough money. On the bright side, the Sony first party line up is amazing with Uncharted, Infamous, LBP, MNR, Motorstorm, Twisted Metal, Gran Turismo. If Sony starts the next gen early (in comparison to the competition) with a cheap price point and a good launch lineup, they will dominate. Nintendo is only doing well because of a gimmick that appeals to casuals. If Sony released a new Demons Souls, LBP, Uncharted and Killzone to start the next gen, they will dominate. And there will be no need for GTA, FF etc to be on the Xbox at all.