Report says Xbox One prototypes like a beefed-up gaming PC

Reports today have been saying MS has been testing new xbox one that can rival good gaming pc. Despite what Phil Spencer about not liking the idea of separate versions. People are already taking sources its funny how the ps4 fans are believing everything that gaming site released. More rumors and people are already convinced everything is true. The delusion has become strong now because its now okay to upgrade.

Let the fragmentation begin!

With new consoles from all the three heads, feel like the next-gen is going to get started for console gamers ...

Oh you're using the technical term "good"? Well OK then....

lol, here we go again. Rumors rumors rumors. Now it's the lems turn to become hypocrites.

Is it SUPER CHARGED, guys? Its gonna be so powerful!!!

Who cares, sit and enjoy the view lol

Hypocrisy everywhere

So it'll be like 1k to buy but be worth 600 like those prebuilt gaming pcs.

No way is MS going sit there and let Sony release another PS4 console. There going to have to do the same to keep with with the competition. Doesn't sound like it will be worth it when your splitting the userbase.

LOL... Is this like 2012 - early 2013 where Xbone was supposed to be a "monster" with a 10 TF GPU and lemmings were saying Microsoft is so smart?

If MS follows Sony's route I don't see a problem with it.

And what you are saying is stupid because xbox is already pared with the windows 10 ecosystem right now which includes all PC variations and you can't get any more "fragmented" than that. So the notion that a mid range xbox console will cause fragmentation when xbox games are already shared with all variations of PC is idiotic at best.

Enough with the dumb separation/fragmentation nonsense, it's a made up condition that only exists in your mind if you choose to think that way.

PC gamers have been "fragmented" since day 1 according to your logic and it doesn't seem to bother PC gamers one bit so I think everyone else will be ok.

What I envision' If I were MS' is building a xbox one upgrade that played all xbox one games....but being a windows 10 PC variant system, ALSO allowed for steam games to be played making it a true PC/console hybrid giving them a huge and instant game library of all PC games to hold over sonys system.

It would be a killer move...if MS was smart

I'd buy that system if it was made.

MS is not that forward thinking. If you can think of a half ass version of your proposal then it would fall right in line with MS vision.

I think the next Xbox will have to drop the notion of ESRAM on the gpu die in order to be in a position for meaningful upgrades and modularity.

In fact, the entire concept of the APU should be revisited.

They can't drop the eSRAM if they want to maintain compatibility with the Xbone.

I think the Xbone 1.5 will have an upclocked CPU, GPU, and RAM but that's about it. There's no flexibility with its design.

On the other hand, SONY can upclock the CPU, GPU and RAM while also adding more CUs and having a more modern GPU architecture.

I barely touch the One I have now. No way I'm buying an overclocked version.

er-ma-gerd! Let's see what happens at E3 when they spill the beans.

As i can't get it through your thick scull, here's some discussion that might help you out :

http://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/

Check out the last podcast, forward to minute 16.

As i said thousands times, this is all speculation so it should be taken with a grain of salt.

You're ready for an executive position there.

Don't buy it, at least not as far as being their XB1.5 slim. Though, don't doubt they're working on next console, and I'm guessing shooting for upgradable design... and if not them, some is gonna have to eventually.

I'm thinking they have to come up with something other than the base library of xbox one games that they've already made.

Simply being more powerful isn't going to help MS at this point when they are so far behind in games. Furthermore, MS doesn't like to invest in games as it is...honestly if MS is serious about putting out a more powerful mid-gen console they really have to do something like I am suggesting if they want to compete.

The thing is, if they do what I suggest, they can actually catch up and possibly get a lead on sony making the PC market more mainstream using the xbox brand and it will truly fit the "xbox" vision that it should have mirrored in the first place.

They most likely will. I would not be surprise if they simply emulate ESRAM with GDDR5.

Interesting times ahead for console gamers.

Do you guys think MS will make the new xbox games down compatible to xbox one like Sony is going to do with PS4 neo or leave fans who invested in xbone high and dry as they move on to greener pastures with the new xbox?

2nd option.

MS can't commit to anything if it's not an instant success. That's one of the biggest differences between SONY and MS.

I bet the Xbone 1.5 is actually a new console and not a revision.

oh phew, then that means it probably wont happen

If that happens that will be a lot worse then what people ranting and raving about PS4 k was suspected to do.

It's up in the air, but MS did they they didn't wan't to do any middle revisions but a full blown upgrade.

It sounds as if they're making a console that xbone will have no chance of sharing games with and that will truly be "screwing" customers who bought xbones this gen, not like what people were trying to suggest with PS4k.

Seeing some of the predictions by lemmings is so hilarious.

Here's 1 gem from a lemming from Neogaf:

-14nm 4.0tf+ Gpu

- 2.2ghz+ jaguar eight core processor.

- 8GB DDR4 2400mhz with 64MB esram

LMFAO... They're going to DOUBLE the eSRAM??? That would make the Xbone 1.5 nearly as large as my tower PC. It would also draw heat like a jet engine. Also, an SoC of that size would have disastrous yields on a low-distance node fabs.

The Xbone 1.5 will only have slight upclocks. Don't expect anything else. I predict 1.5-1.7 TF performance in total.

The PS4.5 will have larger upclocks, double the CUs, and the polaris architecture. I expect 4.2-4.5 TF performance. The gap will be enormous.

Edit: Prominent Neogaf insider and developer Matt said this in response to another user's question about the Xbone 1.5 bring stronger than the PS4.5: "Nah, I don't."

Xbox One has a larger SoC with about half of it spent on 32 MB ESRAM. If Xbox One followed PS4's model, it would have a GCN solution with 28 CU.

For PS4K, 36 CU at 911Mhz yields 4.198 TFLOPS.

You're forgetting the flops from the CPU.

Or virtually allocate "ESRAM" in GDDR5 for backward compatibility.

Possible theory, but considering there are no spec leaks for the xbone 1.5, I'm assuming Microsoft is WAY behind in development.

Maybe they're having issues with compatibility.

Too bad MS doesn't have anyone like Cerny. I bet the Xbone 1.5 would be done by now and devkits sent already.

More like you wish they were behind in development and you wish they would not virtualize the memory because your point HEAVILY relies on it. ESRAM existed purely because of their choice to use DDR3. They most likely would not be repeating that. But then again. Besides, why would they need a new devkit for their next system? Its going to be the same platform and fully BC.

Note that Apple is also shifting to Polaris. http://macdailynews.com/2016/04/19/apple-to-adopt-amds-new-polaris-graphics-chips-in-next-gen-macs/

iMac = Polaris 10.

MacBook Pro = Polaris 11.

Because devkits are needed to develop for that platform.

SONY has already sent out devkits for 4.5.

Also, you can't just stuff in a completely different architecture and emulate it. Why do you think the Xbone plays 360 games like dogcrap?

Xbox One has a different CPU ISA than Xbox 360 i.e. it's PowerPC vs X86-64. CPU instruction translation has a large overhead.

Xbox One's ESRAM usage is abstracted by lightweight APIs i.e. the API calls can be remapped into GDDR5 or HBM locations.

CPU's FLOPS contribution is minor and it's different from GPU's FLOPS.

Memory mapping is has little to do with architecture. I can make my DDR4 RAM pretend to be a hard-drive. Older computer relied on virtual memory in which the hard-drive served as a backup for lack of hard memory. This is not earth shattering technology. I don't see any reason why the ESRAM cannot be simply be allocated on GDDR5. Xbox One games will be oblivious to this change. All that matters is that when it calls this memory location it gets what it wants.

if ms releases a new xbox its going to be a whole new one. not an incremental upgrade.

So basically it's what I was talking about in the thread about Surface and Xbox.

PC Spec Xbox = Surface Pro 4

Xbox One Slim = Surface 3

But I think it's likely that the PC spec Xbox will have a PC based Windows 10 OS on it, but not true Win 10 PC as Xbox games use multiple OSes

So at least $2000 for a Xbox Gaming PC

I'm so pumped up by all these rumors, NOT

I think they should call this new console "Xbox Cloud", after all they did promise the power of the cloud.

Reports today have been saying MS has been testing new xbox one that can rival good gaming pc.

No, it won't.

Meaning xbox one owners are screwed unlike with PS4k. Rejoice!

What happened to everyone caring about early adopters like they were with PS4k news? Ahh so none of those people matter now I guess, it's MS and all...

@notafanboy: lmfao! Oh man, I forgot about those rumors. Lemmings thought the new Xbox was going to be their Battlestar Galactica lmfao!

prototypes are fine. it takes time to make consoles. as long as the next version is released around 2018-2020 I'm good with it. But if one releases this year, I'll have no interest in it