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#1 HelloMoto56
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http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-3974-Game-News-Examiner~y2010m7d21-New-Sony-laser-technology-20-times-better-than-BluRay Sony's Blu-Ray outdone by Sony's LASER-RAY?! whodunnit!?! just don't make the PS4 too expensive!
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sweet, now i can watch Jonah Hex 20x faster!

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[QUOTE="Desmonic"] My, my... it seems Sony never learns-- *sigh* .........700$ PS4 anyone?

$700? you're giving Sony too much credit... haha.
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#8 WilliamRLBaker
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yeah whats 20x better? speed? storage? durability?

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ok good for them.....

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#10 Crunchy_Nuts
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[QUOTE="ampiva"]Learn to read. It says 20x the capacity, not the speed.HelloMoto56
wha!? that's offensive! and i'd edit that, less you get moderated!

how's that offensive if you can't even get the facts out of a 2 paragraph article.

Anyway, I don't think people really care for more storage at the moment. It would be better if they could make if faster.

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#11 HelloMoto56
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yeah whats 20x better? speed? storage? durability?

WilliamRLBaker
that's actually what i was insinuating! but someone had to go and insult my reading proweseseseses! now THAT'S a confusing state of affairs.
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#13 Crunchy_Nuts
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[QUOTE="HelloMoto56"][QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="HelloMoto56"] wha!? that's offensive! and i'd edit that, less you get moderated!

how's that offensive if you can't even get the facts out of a 2 paragraph article.

hey, it doesn't matter if the statement is accurate! it only matters that it's suggesting "i can't read". which will no doubt result in moderation!

You obviously can't read if you're missing the most crucial piece of information in the news piece.
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#14 TheShadowLord07
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20x right of the 100gb blu-ray? Oh man I hope HVD Release in the same time fram micosoft uses HVD.

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#15 Tigerrus
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yeah whats 20x better? speed? storage? durability?

WilliamRLBaker
If you read the link suppossedly it has a 20x better capacity. And the current lazer used to write and read it costs about $100,000 and the lazer itself is too big for cossumer products at this time. So unless if they can really shrink the costs and size of the lazer I really don't think they can put it in the PS4. Next PS system at the low price of only $49,999 you heard it right folks only $49.999!
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[QUOTE="HelloMoto56"][QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="HelloMoto56"] wha!? that's offensive! and i'd edit that, less you get moderated!

how's that offensive if you can't even get the facts out of a 2 paragraph article.

hey, it doesn't matter if the statement is accurate! it only matters that it's suggesting "i can't read". which will no doubt result in moderation!

You got offended that easily? It was an article only two paragraphs long.
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#19 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

yeah whats 20x better? speed? storage? durability?

Tigerrus

If you read the link suppossedly it has a 20x better capacity. And the current lazer used to write and read it costs about $100,000 and the lazer itself is too big for cossumer products at this time. So unless if they can really shrink the costs and size of the lazer I really don't think they can put it in the PS4. Next PS system at the low price of only $49,999 you heard it right folks only $49.999!

:lol: Yes but at that price they throw in a 42" Sony 3D TV so it's all worth it. :P

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[QUOTE="Tigerrus"] Next PS system at the low price of only $49,999 you heard it right folks only $49.999!

"We're very pleased today to announce that the Playstation 4 will be available at retail for the price of.... 699.99 for the 800GB model, and 799.99 for the 1TB model! oh, and here's our new Yu-Gi-Oh card game!" that's be such hilarity for Youtube!
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#21 HelloMoto56
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"] You got offended that easily? It was an article only two paragraphs long.

i'm clearly a sensitive person! is that so wrong?! note: it's rhetorical. haha.
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[QUOTE="HelloMoto56"]http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-3974-Game-News-Examiner~y2010m7d21-New-Sony-laser-technology-20-times-better-than-BluRay Sony's Blu-Ray outdone by Sony's LASER-RAY?! whodunnit!?! just don't make the PS4 too expensive!Desmonic
My, my... it seems Sony never learns-- *sigh* .........700$ PS4 anyone?

Sony never learns? You realize they made Blue Ray the new standard disc format? You have any idea how much money they make from Blue Ray? You realize this means that games can get even more expansive? Sony will willingly lose money on the next Playstation to make this technology an industry standard.

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[QUOTE="Desmonic"][QUOTE="HelloMoto56"]http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-3974-Game-News-Examiner~y2010m7d21-New-Sony-laser-technology-20-times-better-than-BluRay Sony's Blu-Ray outdone by Sony's LASER-RAY?! whodunnit!?! just don't make the PS4 too expensive!MajorGamer531

My, my... it seems Sony never learns-- *sigh* .........700$ PS4 anyone?

Sony never learns? You realize they made Blue Ray the new standard disc format? You have any idea how much money they make from Blue Ray? You realize this means that games can get even more expansive? Sony will willingly lose money on the next Playstation to make this technology an industry standard.

since i concur with the above statement, i reply with the forthcoming!: when was this ever confirmed for implementation? SPIN, SPIN, SPIN THE WHEEL OF FO-R-TUNE!
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#24 lamprey263
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they already had better storage when the blu-ray started making its way into consumer acceptance, they'll have one better when the next format starts gaining consumer acceptance, they could have a better format every few months if they wanted, we're going to have to sit on something for a while
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#25 locopatho
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Sony should settle down a bit, lol. Between BLU RAY, THE CELL, 3D, and what have you, they seem quite mad to instantly have all this new tech everywhere. Settle down Sony give us a chance to catch up :P
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Sony is fighting a losing battle. Physical media is a thing of the past. As internet speeds get inevitably faster, more and more media will be streamed to the consumer. Digital media is already out pacing Blu-Ray in America where internet speeds are still extremely slow. Who goes out and buys a cd anymore? Same thing will happen to movies and in the future games.

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#29 HelloMoto56
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Sony should settle down a bit, lol. Between BLU RAY, THE CELL, 3D, and what have you, they seem quite mad to instantly have all this new tech everywhere. Settle down Sony give us a chance to catch up :Plocopatho
NO, YOU SETTLE DOWN! and you give US a chance to catch up!
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[QUOTE="Desmonic"][QUOTE="HelloMoto56"]http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-3974-Game-News-Examiner~y2010m7d21-New-Sony-laser-technology-20-times-better-than-BluRay Sony's Blu-Ray outdone by Sony's LASER-RAY?! whodunnit!?! just don't make the PS4 too expensive!MajorGamer531

My, my... it seems Sony never learns-- *sigh* .........700$ PS4 anyone?

Sony never learns? You realize they made Blue Ray the new standard disc format? You have any idea how much money they make from Blue Ray? You realize this means that games can get even more expansive? Sony will willingly lose money on the next Playstation to make this technology an industry standard.

yeah, but it can always be another Betamax. causing them more loss.

it'd be wise to wait this one out for the 'PS5' or whatever. another Blu-Ray iteration wouldn't be detrimental, as there's ranges above 50. heck 25, there hasn't been much need above 25 to this date.

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yeah, but it can always be another Betamax. causing them more loss. it'd be wise to wait this one out for the 'PS5' or whatever. another Blu-Ray iteration wouldn't be detrimental, as there's ranges above 50. heck 25, there hasn't been much need above 25 to this date.HavocV3
Final Fantasy XIII and MGS4 would like a word with you... wait, what am i insinuating?! that MGS4 and Final Fantasy XIII DIDN'T have poor compression?! ... no, i don't know quite well what of that i'm referring to either...
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#32 hexashadow13
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Sony's not going to put this in the PS4. They'll prolly put the 100gb blu-ray player in.
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So that's like 1tb disks? I don't see that being necessary in the next few years. I mean it would be great for backing up files etc. but for a single game or a movie that's overkill. And that kind of development would conflict with digital distribution which will propably be a pretty big thing next gen.
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#34 CannedWorms
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Is there another link? I'm not giving the Examiner hits. They make a joke gaming journalism. Trying to find an article with more than a few words is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

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sweet, now i can watch Jonah Hex 20x faster!

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:lol: wow hahahah Looks like sonys going to stick with outdated tech next generation :(
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So that's like 1tb disks? I don't see that being necessary in the next few years. I mean it would be great for backing up files etc. but for a single game or a movie that's overkill. And that kind of development would conflict with digital distribution which will propably be a pretty big thing next gen.ManicAce

Actually in movie with 1TB you probably could hold uncommpressed movie that would incress qulity specially in scenes with fast movment

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[QUOTE="HavocV3"]yeah, but it can always be another Betamax. causing them more loss. it'd be wise to wait this one out for the 'PS5' or whatever. another Blu-Ray iteration wouldn't be detrimental, as there's ranges above 50. heck 25, there hasn't been much need above 25 to this date.HelloMoto56
Final Fantasy XIII and MGS4 would like a word with you... wait, what am i insinuating?! that MGS4 and Final Fantasy XIII DIDN'T have poor compression?! ... no, i don't know quite well what of that i'm referring to either...

It's not tough for me to cover my tracks.

wouldn't you consider 2 games as 'not much'?

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Sony is fighting a losing battle. Physical media is a thing of the past. As internet speeds get inevitably faster, more and more media will be streamed to the consumer. Digital media is already out pacing Blu-Ray in America where internet speeds are still extremely slow. Who goes out and buys a cd anymore? Same thing will happen to movies and in the future games.

i5750at4Ghz
When you are talking about Physical Media that might beable to hold more than the current consumer hard drives if they really filled those discs good luck downloading TBs of data. And you do know that it still takes longer to download some current games with medioccer connection than driving 10 minutes to a store and picking it up? Lets go off of a 10GB game and lets say you download at 2MB/S(Which is faster than the average US internet connection) aka 16Mb/s(that is what ISPs would call it) that would take 1024/2= 512 seconds per GB so 5120 seconds to finish the downloading. So over an hour and a half for 10GBs. Okay so that isn't a big deal but did you know that the USA is one of the few countries that most of the ISPs don't give you a bandwidth limit. Yes you would pay overage charges like cellphones if you went over your paid bandwidth/month limit so in all of those countries you would have to really think about what you want to download. And I personally ocasionally legally buy cds for buy one and get unlimited CDS in the same puchase for $2.99. Vastly cheaper than itunes(And overall better quality sound then even their "HD" song downloads). Most retail CDs= .wav format = uncompressed and unrestricted bitrate. Itunes = 128bit -256 bit(I think) Depending on the song and how good your ears are wav will have a noticable difference than 128bit and iffy on the 256bit. If you compare prices of CDs on Itunes compared to CDs in retail stores compare the price of the HD version of the Itunes CD because that will be the closest in quality.
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[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"] My, my... it seems Sony never learns-- *sigh* .........700$ PS4 anyone?HavocV3

Sony never learns? You realize they made Blue Ray the new standard disc format? You have any idea how much money they make from Blue Ray? You realize this means that games can get even more expansive? Sony will willingly lose money on the next Playstation to make this technology an industry standard.

yeah, but it can always be another Betamax. causing them more loss.

it'd be wise to wait this one out for the 'PS5' or whatever. another Blu-Ray iteration wouldn't be detrimental, as there's ranges above 50. heck 25, there hasn't been much need above 25 to this date.

No, Betamax was a different story. Sony wasn't as entrenched in the digital entertainment distribution as they are today with betamax. And betamax lossed out because porn signed with VHS, true story. Today Sony does the filming for most major sports including the NFL, MLB, and World Cup. They are a major distributor of movies as well.

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Hmm. I wonder if Sony's actually going to add this in PS4. maybe this new media format will work well and support 2560x1600 native resolution video to go with new 1600p 3DTVs that may come out 2011,2012,2013 or 2014 then the next consoles arrive. I can imagine Nintendo and Microsoft getting a blu-ray drive when sonys already way past that.

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[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"] My, my... it seems Sony never learns-- *sigh* .........700$ PS4 anyone?Desmonic

Sony never learns? You realize they made Blue Ray the new standard disc format? You have any idea how much money they make from Blue Ray? You realize this means that games can get even more expansive? Sony will willingly lose money on the next Playstation to make this technology an industry standard.

............ok, thats all fine and well...but at what cost for the consumer? After the very "successful" 600$ PS3, you'd think they would learn their lesson and make a more affordable console.

With this economic crisis still raging in many countries, do you think people will shell out more than 400$ for a damn console? Heck no! I mean, yeah bigger and better games would be awesome to the max, but very few people are willing to pay such high prices 2 gens in a row.

I myself own a PS2 and a PS3, but if they make their PS4 ultra expensive, then I'm moving to either Nintendo or Microsoft.

You missed the point. Making the new format the standard takes precedence over the success of the console. There is more money in it.

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[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

sweet, now i can watch Jonah Hex 20x faster!

Sp4rtan_3
:lol: wow hahahah Looks like sonys going to stick with outdated tech next generation :(

DVD is way more outdated.
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I agree with previous posters. Damn Sony for developing new technologies. What good will come of this? They should be spending the money on advertising. Next thing you know they'll be wasting resources on cancer research.
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[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

Sony never learns? You realize they made Blue Ray the new standard disc format? You have any idea how much money they make from Blue Ray? You realize this means that games can get even more expansive? Sony will willingly lose money on the next Playstation to make this technology an industry standard.

MajorGamer531

yeah, but it can always be another Betamax. causing them more loss.

it'd be wise to wait this one out for the 'PS5' or whatever. another Blu-Ray iteration wouldn't be detrimental, as there's ranges above 50. heck 25, there hasn't been much need above 25 to this date.

No, Betamax was a different story. Sony wasn't as entrenched in the digital entertainment distribution as they are today with betamax. And betamax lossed out because porn signed with VHS, true story. Today Sony does the filming for most major sports including the NFL, MLB, and World Cup. They are a major distributor of movies as well.

they signed with HD-DVD this time around. but that wasn't so damaging because of the internet.

HD-DVD wasa risky battle in one way or another. and there's still chances for competition, if an opponent is in development.

didn't they have to pay off Warner(400 million)for BD exclusivity just to end it? unless that was something else. if not, then it was a close fight and said risk is there regardless.

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Natural technology progression. Let's hope the console is reasonably priced at launch.
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Pretty sure Sony will just use the newer blu-ray next gen and bump it up to 100 gb.
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Sony is fighting a losing battle. Physical media is a thing of the past. As internet speeds get inevitably faster, more and more media will be streamed to the consumer. Digital media is already out pacing Blu-Ray in America where internet speeds are still extremely slow. Who goes out and buys a cd anymore? Same thing will happen to movies and in the future games.

Tigerrus
When you are talking about Physical Media that might beable to hold more than the current consumer hard drives if they really filled those discs good luck downloading TBs of data. And you do know that it still takes longer to download some current games with medioccer connection than driving 10 minutes to a store and picking it up? Lets go off of a 10GB game and lets say you download at 2MB/S(Which is faster than the average US internet connection) aka 16Mb/s(that is what ISPs would call it) that would take 1024/2= 512 seconds per GB so 5120 seconds to finish the downloading. So over an hour and a half for 10GBs. Okay so that isn't a big deal but did you know that the USA is one of the few countries that most of the ISPs don't give you a bandwidth limit. Yes you would pay overage charges like cellphones if you went over your paid bandwidth/month limit so in all of those countries you would have to really think about what you want to download. And I personally ocasionally legally buy cds for buy one and get unlimited CDS in the same puchase for $2.99. Vastly cheaper than itunes(And overall better quality sound then even their "HD" song downloads). Most retail CDs= .wav format = uncompressed and unrestricted bitrate. Itunes = 128bit -256 bit(I think) Depending on the song and how good your ears are wav will have a noticable difference than 128bit and iffy on the 256bit. If you compare prices of CDs on Itunes compared to CDs in retail stores compare the price of the HD version of the Itunes CD because that will be the closest in quality.

Did you not read my post? You're not telling me anything I don't already know. I'm not saying DD is going to take over right away. But 5-10 years from now movies will have gone the way of itunes, if not sooner. Just take a look at netflix and all the on demand stuff from your local cable company/direct tv. Videogames will follow soon after that.
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[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"]

............ok, thats all fine and well...but at what cost for the consumer? After the very "successful" 600$ PS3, you'd think they would learn their lesson and make a more affordable console.

With this economic crisis still raging in many countries, do you think people will shell out more than 400$ for a damn console? Heck no! I mean, yeah bigger and better games would be awesome to the max, but very few people are willing to pay such high prices 2 gens in a row.

I myself own a PS2 and a PS3, but if they make their PS4 ultra expensive, then I'm moving to either Nintendo or Microsoft.

Desmonic

You missed the point. Making the new format the standard takes precedence over the success of the console. There is more money in it.

So your point is: for a few games ( Uncharted 2, God of War 3, Killzone 2/3) to be graphically impressive, Sony must sell ultra expensive consoles to the public that latter become the.........."standart"?......... So wait.. are we buying consoles from Sony to play games, or just buying hardware to help them make their new products the standart?....... Using a console to make a new format, like what happened this gen with the PS3, results in crappy games from non-Sony studios. I'd rather have them keep bluray for the next gen and after that go full speed on digital distribution. Not only would developers be familiar with the "standart" for the PS4 the console itself could be powerful without costing more than your salary.

I don't think Blu-Ray was the biggest problem for developers. early on, of course.

that would be the processor architecture in the PS3.

anyhow, I agree with keeping Blu-Ray for the sake of the consumer and developer. I'm not really understanding why we'd need to jump to a whole TB when we've crammed so much into DVDs and that Blu-Ray researchers have yielded tech for 200-400 Gb Blu-Rays.

the need for a Blu-Ray to HVR just isn't as dire as DVD to Blu-Ray.but who am I to know.

maybe there will be enough pros to make it 'that much better' read speeds are probably the only thing saving it though.