I don't really know if it's needed or not, but all the smart people above me say it isn't, so I'm going to pretend I know what I'm talking about and say it's not needed. :) Hideo Kojima stated he needed Blu Ray for Metal Gear Solid 4, I think.
[QUOTE="DeathScape666"]I don't really know if it's needed or not, but all the smart people above me say it isn't, so I'm going to pretend I know what I'm talking about and say it's not needed. :) Hideo Kojima stated he needed Blu Ray for Metal Gear Solid 4, I think.Because he packed it with 7.1 sound. Like the other man said, graphics have nothing to do with what kind of disc is used. It's just storage space..
Bigger the media, the more content....is that simple. If you want UNCOMPRESSED true content, disc capacity is an advantage. Sometimes you can tell if audio/visuals have been compressed more so..etc. But yes, its not needed, but games get bigger and Sony's choice with bluray was due to movies not games, but of course they have to make it look like it effects both.
Theres no corellation between secondary storage space (discs, hard drives, memory cards, etc) and visual fidelity.XaosII
No, but there is a correlation between sound quality and secondary storage space. Just because that doesn't matter to the layperson, it still matters to me.
Unles you are actually a developer and part of the team, I doubt you would know the answer to if blu ray was really needed or not.
I've read to an interveiw from the development teams at S-E that blu ray is a plus and that it allows them to burn to the disc faster, but even then I don't see it being a deciding factor tbh
Theres no corellation between secondary storage space (discs, hard drives, memory cards, etc) and visual fidelity.XaosII
but then again games like Uncharted, Killzone 2, MGS4 etc. fills the bluray. i believe the higher the quality, the more room is needed. its just up to the developers to take advantage of it. Just think of how much bigger and better GTA 4 would have been if a PS3 exclusive.. with all the extra things GTA:SA had and more.
[QUOTE="hayato_"]Unles you are actually a developer and part of the team, I doubt you would know the answer to if blu ray was really needed or not. SpruceCaboose
I know perfectly well that it is not needed. currently NO, but isn't the PS3 suppose to be somewhat, future proof? a 10 year life cycle for the PS3 must come equiped with such media, No? *taps head*
[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="hayato_"]Unles you are actually a developer and part of the team, I doubt you would know the answer to if blu ray was really needed or not. Eyezonmii
I know perfectly well that it is not needed. currently NO, but isn't the PS3 suppose to be somewhat, future proof? a 10 year life cycle for the PS3 must come equiped with such media, No? *taps head* You won't win this one. Next gen, Blu-Ray won't be needed either, and I can prove it very quickly if you would like me to.
[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] I know perfectly well that it is not needed. currently NO, but isn't the PS3 suppose to be somewhat, future proof? a 10 year life cycle for the PS3 must come equiped with such media, No? *taps head* You won't win this one. Next gen, Blu-Ray won't be needed either, and I can prove it very quickly if you would like me to. why do you say.. because of downloadable content?
in terms of graphics quality yes it doens't really make a big difference minus a couple odd instances like Rage but Blu ray is basically just device that means dev never really have to worry about disc space and such. example if you wanted to make a huge free roaming game it's be nicer to work with blu ray knowing you have no limits. anyone who said blu ray will makes games look better it just and idiot
[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] I know perfectly well that it is not needed. currently NO, but isn't the PS3 suppose to be somewhat, future proof? a 10 year life cycle for the PS3 must come equiped with such media, No? *taps head* You won't win this one. Next gen, Blu-Ray won't be needed either, and I can prove it very quickly if you would like me to. I can't take you serious if you keep pretending to act like some developer. Many developers claim SPACE will be an issue as time progresses with console generations from here on. Some games already show this, resulting in more than 2 disks (for the 360) Besides, who cares, you don't pay extra for the media, extra space is always nice. I don't like juggling disks, tbh.
I can't take you serious if you keep pretending to act like some developer. Many developers claim SPACE will be an issue as time progresses with console generations from here on. Some games already show this, resulting in more than 2 disks (for the 360) Besides, who cares, you don't pay extra for the media, extra space is always nice. I don't like juggling disks, tbh. Eyezonmii
Games could come on CDs and be installed to a HDD, even if the game was hundreds of gigs of data. No particular storage medium is needed, just a storage medium of some kind.Like I said, Blu-Ray is a luxury, as are all storage mediums when they come out. The key wording is needed, and in this case, the PS3 and 360 have shown themselves capable of running games off HDDs, so a disc based medium could very well be rendered moot. They obviously won't, but they could, proving that it is not needed, but desired.
[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] I can't take you serious if you keep pretending to act like some developer. Many developers claim SPACE will be an issue as time progresses with console generations from here on. Some games already show this, resulting in more than 2 disks (for the 360) Besides, who cares, you don't pay extra for the media, extra space is always nice. I don't like juggling disks, tbh. Games could come on CDs and be installed to a HDD, even if the game was hundreds of gigs of data. Fail. Guess i'll be throwing away my blank DVD's since I can put as many movies on it as I want, and just throw them on the hardrive when I want to see them.
[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] I know perfectly well that it is not needed.SpruceCaboose
currently NO, but isn't the PS3 suppose to be somewhat, future proof? a 10 year life cycle for the PS3 must come equiped with such media, No? *taps head* You won't win this one. Next gen, Blu-Ray won't be needed either, and I can prove it very quickly if you would like me to. Multiplats use 64kbps sound sampling and short samples to use as little space as possible. The people in FarCry2 talks waaay too fast, wonder why? MGS4 did'nt only have great high quality sounds, but also long sound samples. Maybe BD is'nt needed next gen, because then they can install 2 or more discs on the hdd, but right now games on the X360 can't force people to install because not all people have hdd. And therefor we will not see a game like GTA SA this gen, and that ****. GTA 4 is 12GB on PC, and that is'nt a very big city.
[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] I can't take you serious if you keep pretending to act like some developer. Many developers claim SPACE will be an issue as time progresses with console generations from here on. Some games already show this, resulting in more than 2 disks (for the 360) Besides, who cares, you don't pay extra for the media, extra space is always nice. I don't like juggling disks, tbh. Games could come on CDs and be installed to a HDD, even if the game was hundreds of gigs of data. No particular storage medium is needed, just a storage medium of some kind.Like I said, Blu-Ray is a luxury, as are all storage mediums when they come out. The key wording is needed, and in this case, thePS3 and 360 have shown themselves capable of running games off HDDs, so a disc based medium could very well be rendered moot. They obviously won't, but they could, proving that it is not needed, but desired. MS haven't hinted about that AT ALL, but rather DD...which imo is way to early for. key words being COULD, unless we see some evidence of games next gen being about installation, then we can talk, but Physical media is here to stay and IMO, i hope it doesn't turn out this way, games should be about simplicity. I'd take a bigger format over installing any day.
[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] I can't take you serious if you keep pretending to act like some developer. Many developers claim SPACE will be an issue as time progresses with console generations from here on. Some games already show this, resulting in more than 2 disks (for the 360) Besides, who cares, you don't pay extra for the media, extra space is always nice. I don't like juggling disks, tbh. Games could come on CDs and be installed to a HDD, even if the game was hundreds of gigs of data. Fail. Guess i'll be throwing away my blank DVD's since I can put as many movies on it as I want, and just throw them on the hardrive when I want to see them. Your sarcasm detector is broken.
[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] I can't take you serious if you keep pretending to act like some developer. Many developers claim SPACE will be an issue as time progresses with console generations from here on. Some games already show this, resulting in more than 2 disks (for the 360) Besides, who cares, you don't pay extra for the media, extra space is always nice. I don't like juggling disks, tbh. Games could come on CDs and be installed to a HDD, even if the game was hundreds of gigs of data. Fail. Guess i'll be throwing away my blank DVD's since I can put as many movies on it as I want, and just throw them on the hardrive when I want to see them. You could. Which means I did not fail. You desire having them on discs, and that those discs are DVDs. They do not need to be housed on them, however, or movie theaters would show movies on DVDs and not 35mm prints.
[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Games could come on CDs and be installed to a HDD, even if the game was hundreds of gigs of data. Fail. Guess i'll be throwing away my blank DVD's since I can put as many movies on it as I want, and just throw them on the hardrive when I want to see them. You could. Which means I did not fail. You desire having them on discs, and that those discs are DVDs. They do not need to be housed on them, however, or movie theaters would show movies on DVDs and not 35mm prints. Friendo, a normal CD has 700mb max capacity, meaning I can't put a 4gb movie on it. Stop talking out of your ass.
[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] MS haven't hinted about that AT ALL, but rather DD...which imo is way to early for. key words being COULD, unless we see some evidence of games next gen being about installation, then we can talk, but Physical media is here to stay and IMO, i hope it doesn't turn out this way, games should be about simplicity. I'd take a bigger format over installing any day. What in that disproves any of what I said? I agree disc based is here for a long time, but that again, shows it is desired, and not that it is needed. Needs in order to use something and wants for that something are not the same concept.
[QUOTE="angry_fork"] Friendo, a normal CD has 700mb max capacity, meaning I can't put a 4gb movie on it. Stop talking out of your ass. You can split the movie or compress it. Stop making yourself look bad.
[QUOTE="hayato_"]Unles you are actually a developer and part of the team, I doubt you would know the answer to if blu ray was really needed or not. SpruceCaboose
I know perfectly well that it is not needed. I don't think its needed, but I do think its a big plus and advantage for future development processes and production when moving forward in thie gen
[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="angry_fork"] Friendo, a normal CD has 700mb max capacity, meaning I can't put a 4gb movie on it. Stop talking out of your ass. You can split the movie or compress it. Stop making yourself look bad. Wow are you insane, do you really believe what you're saying right now? You're telling me you believe a game like Mass Effect can be put on a CD? Please stop, don't even post again if you believe that. You're completely lost.
[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="angry_fork"] Friendo, a normal CD has 700mb max capacity, meaning I can't put a 4gb movie on it. Stop talking out of your ass.angry_fork
You can split the movie or compress it. Stop making yourself look bad. Wow are you insane, do you really believe what you're saying right now? You're telling me you believe a game like Mass Effect can be put on a CD? Please stop, don't even post again if you believe that. You're completely lost. You are lost. You are confusing want and need. You want the movie to be a continuously playing feature that takes up 4 gigs of space and play on a DVD.
That is not needed to convey that same movie at the same quality. I could have it on CDs split, and watch them in that format, I could take it as video files on CDs and then recombine them on a PC somewhere and watch that, I could put that 4 gig file on a Blu-Ray and watch it like that.....get it yet? Needs and wants are different.
[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] You can split the movie or compress it. Stop making yourself look bad.SpruceCaboose
Wow are you insane, do you really believe what you're saying right now? You're telling me you believe a game like Mass Effect can be put on a CD? Please stop, don't even post again if you believe that. You're completely lost. You are lost. You are confusing want and need. You want the movie to be a continuously playing feature that takes up 4 gigs of space and play on a DVD.
That is not needed to convey that same movie at the same quality. I could have it on CDs split, and watch them in that format, I could take it as video files on CDs and then recombine them on a PC somewhere and watch that, I could put that 4 gig file on a Blu-Ray and watch it like that.....get it yet? Needs and wants are different.
No, you can't, splitting a file doesn't make it any less MB it just cuts it into smaller sized pieces, when you put them back together it's still the same MB as it was before. You can't have MGS4 run on PS3 using a CD, no matter what hardrive space you have, period.
[QUOTE="angry_fork"] No, you can't, splitting a file doesn't make it any less MB it just cuts it into smaller sized pieces, when you put them back together it's still the same MB as it was before. You can't have MGS4 run on PS3 using a CD, no matter what hardrive space you have, period. You don't understand file splitting, do you? If I have a 4 gig file, I can split it into 6 files of equal size (About 667 MB), transfer that to a new system, and recombine those six files into the 1 4 gig file. Its all digital data, so its all ones and zeros. It can be manipulated.
[QUOTE="angry_fork"] Wow are you insane, do you really believe what you're saying right now? You're telling me you believe a game like Mass Effect can be put on a CD? Please stop, don't even post again if you believe that. You're completely lost.angry_fork
You are lost. You are confusing want and need. You want the movie to be a continuously playing feature that takes up 4 gigs of space and play on a DVD.
That is not needed to convey that same movie at the same quality. I could have it on CDs split, and watch them in that format, I could take it as video files on CDs and then recombine them on a PC somewhere and watch that, I could put that 4 gig file on a Blu-Ray and watch it like that.....get it yet? Needs and wants are different.
No, you can't, splitting a file doesn't make it any less MB it just cuts it into smaller sized pieces, when you put them back together it's still the same MB as it was before. You can't have MGS4 run on PS3 using a CD, no matter what hardrive space you have, period.
It isn't about making the total size smaller. If you split the game into multiple parts on a CD's then extract it to your hard drive you could run the game from the hard drive.
Of course its not needed. Not even the space of DVD is needed. But its a nice luxury to have that added space.SpruceCaboose
Third party developers don't take advantage of the Blu-Ray because they are being held back by DVDs and DL-DVDs for both the PC and 360 and no one would like downloading a 40GB game from Steam or D2D that would take forever and lots of space. MGS 4 uses almost all 50GB of the dual layer Blu-Ray and Killzone 2 uses 2GB+ per level.
[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Of course its not needed. Not even the space of DVD is needed. But its a nice luxury to have that added space.nVidiaGaMer
Third party developers don't take advantage of the Blu-Ray because they are being held back by DVDs and DL-DVDs for both the PC and 360 and no one would like downloading a 40GB game from Steam or D2D that would take forever and lots of space. MGS 4 uses almost all 50GB of the dual layer Blu-Ray and Killzone 2 uses 2GB+ per level.
[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Of course its not needed. Not even the space of DVD is needed. But its a nice luxury to have that added space.SpruceCaboose
Third party developers don't take advantage of the Blu-Ray because they are being held back by DVDs and DL-DVDs for both the PC and 360 and no one would like downloading a 40GB game from Steam or D2D that would take forever and lots of space. MGS 4 uses almost all 50GB of the dual layer Blu-Ray and Killzone 2 uses 2GB+ per level.
The point of your post?
Blu-ray is not something thats going away like you make it sound its here to stay.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]It also doesn't help that the Blu-ray drive in the PS3 is slower than the DVD drive in the 360.Eyezonmii
that's being picky...it isn't an issue at all. Sure it is. I hate to bring "MGS 4 360 port" up because of all the baggage it inevitably comes with, but I'd rather spend the 10 seconds it takes to swap disks than the 1-3 minutes it takes for MGS4 to install between acts.
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