Riddle me this... (project natall)

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#1 joel_c17
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Hey everyone

Just wanted to know if i was missing something here, but how insactly is project natal revolutionary and recieving so much hype? it basicly does the same thing the ps3 EyeToy does! I dont really understand what all the fuss is about...

But if it does do something cool that i dont know about (im no expert on the subject) it would be cool if you peeps could let me kno :).

Cheers

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#2 clembo1990
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It's really nothing revolutionary. But they are proposing support the eye toy never had.
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#3 joel_c17
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sorry i just thort it did something super duper awesome since it had been recieving so much press at the moment. I guess its just another case of the media loving the 360
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#4 clembo1990
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No, apparently the MS conference was better. But their software line-up was terrible. There is little reason to go out and buy a 360 right now over the PS3. Natal is a slow-burn project. I want it to do well, just so the casual market gets shared more. Nintendo need some humbling right about now.
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#5 Thunderdrone
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Its revolutionary in ways you cant understand. One must be blessed with the concept of "double standards", "brand-loyalty" and "elitism" to fully understand the hype. NATAL for president.
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#6 FamiBox
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It has two cameras which enables it to detect depth.

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#7 Odrec
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M$ are experts are over-hyping anything they do (most people probably think Bill Gates invented home computers). People think Natal is the best thing since Jesus for some reason.
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#8 joel_c17
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Doesnt the ps3 eyetoy sense depth as well? it looked like it did in the demos... so far the only difference i can tell is the voice recognition which im sure can be implemented into the eyetoy in some way. so far i think they are the same in every way, plus the ps3 also has a controller. Im not really favoring either system i just want to kno why everyone has been saying natal is the best thing since sliced bread.
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#9 whatisazerg
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Someone who types "insactly" doesn't see the potential in Project Natal? SHOCKING!

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#10 double-r
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Doesnt the ps3 eyetoy sense depth as well? it looked like it did in the demos... so far the only difference i can tell is the voice recognition which im sure can be implemented into the eyetoy in some way. so far i think they are the same in every way, plus the ps3 also has a controller. Im not really favoring either system i just want to kno why everyone has been saying natal is the best thing since sliced bread.joel_c17

eyetoy can only detect the depth of the wand

natal can detect the depth of the whole body

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#11 NotToBeDied
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I sure hope they do this right. As from what i've seen from E3 this thing could be wicked fun.

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[QUOTE="joel_c17"]Doesnt the ps3 eyetoy sense depth as well? it looked like it did in the demos... so far the only difference i can tell is the voice recognition which im sure can be implemented into the eyetoy in some way. so far i think they are the same in every way, plus the ps3 also has a controller. Im not really favoring either system i just want to kno why everyone has been saying natal is the best thing since sliced bread.double-r

eyetoy can only detect the depth of the wand

natal can detect the depth of the whole body

wrong, ever seen the game trials of topoq on psn? it detects body movements, though it gets old really fast, i think the hype for natal is because its a first for xbox console, sony didnt hype the eyetoy and the ps3 eye to be that big,
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#13 MizFitAwesome
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[QUOTE="double-r"]

[QUOTE="joel_c17"]Doesnt the ps3 eyetoy sense depth as well? it looked like it did in the demos... so far the only difference i can tell is the voice recognition which im sure can be implemented into the eyetoy in some way. so far i think they are the same in every way, plus the ps3 also has a controller. Im not really favoring either system i just want to kno why everyone has been saying natal is the best thing since sliced bread.johnlennon28

eyetoy can only detect the depth of the wand

natal can detect the depth of the whole body

wrong, ever seen the game trials of topoq on psn? it detects body movements, though it gets old really fast, i think the hype for natal is because its a first for xbox console, sony didnt hype the eyetoy and the ps3 eye to be that big,

Really, a $4.99 PSN game dectects whole body movement? The reviews say no...
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#14 johnlennon28
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[QUOTE="johnlennon28"][QUOTE="double-r"]

eyetoy can only detect the depth of the wand

natal can detect the depth of the whole body

MizFitAwesome

wrong, ever seen the game trials of topoq on psn? it detects body movements, though it gets old really fast, i think the hype for natal is because its a first for xbox console, sony didnt hype the eyetoy and the ps3 eye to be that big,

Really, a $4.99 PSN game dectects whole body movement? The reviews say no...

huh? what reviews? have you played the game?

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#15 Nedemis
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It's really nothing revolutionary. But they are proposing support the eye toy never had.clembo1990
really? to me it sure seems as if facial recognition (for multiple users at once), voice recognition and control is quite a leap for a camera accessory. :|
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If you have dreads it won't work though.

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#17 Kokuro_Kun
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Bigger and better software. It's gonna be a thing you can do in a lot of newer games. It's not new but its taking something bronze and making gold.
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#18 SUD123456
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One is based on a 2D camera/imaging system....one is based on 3D

One integrates multiple technologies....imaging, voice recognition, rudimentary AI....one doesn't

One is part of a broader vision of gaming futures....one is viewed as a limited use accessory

Whether natal succeeds is debateable, but the vision is much broader. It is like saying a Ferrari and a Lada are the same because they are both cars. Technically correct, but an entirely different vision. No one writes articles about amazing performance or potential of Ladas.

Riddle solved.

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#19 Adzey
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Who seriously believes that Natal is real? and Milo? Hey You, Pikachu? I honestly don't think it's gonna work?

Do we have any info on those 'Private viewings' of Milo that Molyneux was on about?

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#20 LosDaddie
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meh.... like most objective, non-biased people, I'll wait 'til NATAL is out to pass judgement. It has potential.

And to people comparing NATAL to the PS3's Eyetoy; One of them has 2 cameras, the other has a single camera. If you don't understand how such makes them different, then you need to do some research. :)

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#21 Ze_ALEX
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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

meh.... like most objective, non-biased people, I'll wait 'til NATAL is out to pass judgement. It has potential.

And to people comparing NATAL to the PS3's Eyetoy; One of them has 2 cameras, the other has a single camera. If you don't understand how such makes them different, then you need to do some research. :)

nice use of logic
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#22 dragonfly110
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Who seriously believes that Natal is real? and Milo? Hey You, Pikachu? I honestly don't think it's gonna work?

Do we have any info on those 'Private viewings' of Milo that Molyneux was on about?

Adzey

I know that Milo isnt quite real, but Natal is, all of the critics are saying that it works just as well as they said it would up on the stage.

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Someone who types "insactly" doesn't see the potential in Project Natal? SHOCKING!

whatisazerg
When a person is bashing the man instead of his argument means he's losing :).
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#24 flazzle
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[QUOTE="clembo1990"]It's really nothing revolutionary. But they are proposing support the eye toy never had.Nedemis
really? to me it sure seems as if facial recognition (for multiple users at once), voice recognition and control is quite a leap for a camera accessory. :|

I don't think the camera technologydoes the actual facial recognition or voice recognition. I would think that would be software driven, using the results from the camera and the microphone.

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#25 flazzle
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[QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

Someone who types "insactly" doesn't see the potential in Project Natal? SHOCKING!

nintendo-4life

When a person is bashing the man instead of his argument means he's losing :).

Agree

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#26 Jono789
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[QUOTE="joel_c17"]

Hey everyone

Just wanted to know if i was missing something here, but how insactly is project natal revolutionary and recieving so much hype? it basicly does the same thing the ps3 EyeToy does! I dont really understand what all the fuss is about...

But if it does do something cool that i dont know about (im no expert on the subject) it would be cool if you peeps could let me kno :).

Cheers

Well theres one thing you need to realise.... Microsoft dont know ANYTHING about other companys, I mean i can only guess they cant, as everything they say is innovative is..... Not it has been done before. Natal is basically a beefed up eyetoy nothing revolutionary at all its as if they dont know the eyetoy exists.
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#27 Irick_cb
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Hey everyone

Just wanted to know if i was missing something here, but how insactly is project natal revolutionary and recieving so much hype? it basicly does the same thing the ps3 EyeToy does! I dont really understand what all the fuss is about...

But if it does do something cool that i dont know about (im no expert on the subject) it would be cool if you peeps could let me kno :).

Cheers

joel_c17

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(Bwahahahahahahahahaha, yes, microsoft will steal everything from you.)

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#28 haziqonfire
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As I've said before, without having a physical device that makes sense, Natal seems useless to me. Sure, some simple games will work.. like we've seen burn out, or that dodge ball game .. but I can't imagine playing something like FPS on it, without a physical device -THAT MAKES SENSE- .. not just a 360 pad.
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#29 brettneo3012
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Natal is like Windows 7.

A bunch of crap.

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[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="clembo1990"]It's really nothing revolutionary. But they are proposing support the eye toy never had.flazzle

really? to me it sure seems as if facial recognition (for multiple users at once), voice recognition and control is quite a leap for a camera accessory. :|

I don't think the camera technologydoes the actual facial recognition or voice recognition. I would think that would be software driven, using the results from the camera and the microphone.

I don't see the difference.

Theres a reason its getting so much press coverage and despite fanboys wildest dreams it's not because they bribed the media. It;s innovative, it's not been seen on consoles before. It could possibly change the way you play consoles all together. Even have a bigger impact than the wii remote ever did.

People cry that microsoft steals ideas and doesn't innovate, despite sony playing catch up with PSN for the last couple of years, coming out with an exact copy of the wii remote but with a light on the end. And nintendo? Nintendo don't even try they don't need to, the wii remote is all they need. If you can't see the potential in Natal, you're either a blind fanboy or you lack an imagination..majorly. I'm not saying it'll change the world but it COULD impact the industry in a big way.

...Or it could fail miserably and be a big giant mini game fest. But you cannot call it an eyetoy, that's massively downplaying it.

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#31 flazzle
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[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="Nedemis"] really? to me it sure seems as if facial recognition (for multiple users at once), voice recognition and control is quite a leap for a camera accessory. :|CreepyBacon

I don't think the camera technologydoes the actual facial recognition or voice recognition. I would think that would be software driven, using the results from the camera and the microphone.

I don't see the difference.

Theres a reason its getting so much press coverage and despite fanboys wildest dreams it's not because they bribed the media. It;s innovative, it's not been seen on consoles before. It could possibly change the way you play consoles all together. Even have a bigger impact than the wii remote ever did.

People cry that microsoft steals ideas and doesn't innovate, despite sony playing catch up with PSN for the last couple of years, coming out with an exact copy of the wii remote but with a light on the end. And nintendo? Nintendo don't even try they don't need to, the wii remote is all they need. If you can't see the potential in Natal, you're either a blind fanboy or you lack an imagination..majorly. I'm not saying it'll change the world but it COULD impact the industry in a big way.

...Or it could fail miserably and be a big giant mini game fest. But you cannot call it an eyetoy, that's massively downplaying it.

Well, I was focusing on the camera technology itself. Voice recognition and facial recognition I don't think have anything to do with eyetoy technology, which some people apply.

The BIGGEST issue MS has to solve with Natal is fixing that half-second delay or longer, especially with fast movements.

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#32 heretrix
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Hey everyone

it basicly does the same thing the ps3 EyeToy does!

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joel_c17

Except it does it totally different.

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#33 Microsoft1234
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It's not revolutionary it's just an advance eyetoy that's really it.... but the thing about it is that it won't do well because its coming so late into the 360's life and it will be more of an accessory, but along with the ps3 and 360 and the wii we can look forward to an innovative next gen, and hopefully they'll all implement it from the beginning.
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[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]Its revolutionary in ways you cant understand. One must be blessed with the concept of "double standards", "brand-loyalty" and "elitism" to fully understand the hype. NATAL for president.

made me chuckle haha