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#1 stuart69
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The Xbox 360's lack of a guaranteed hard drive is creating limitations for the Rockstar team developing GTAIV for the Xbox 360, Rockstar Veep Dan Houser said in a recent interview with Official Playstation Magazine.

In the interview Houser was asked:

"On PS3 you've got a guarantee that every machine is going to have a hard-drive and, with Blu-ray, you've got plenty of storage, whereas on Xbox 360 there's no guarantee of a hard-drive and you're working with the DVD format. Does that create limitations?" To which he replied, "Yep." He continued, "To be honest with you we haven't solved all those riddles yet." The difficulties aren't limited to working on Microsoft's box, as Houser explains that "both have enormous challenges" and that "both have their own particular pleasures and pains".

 

As i suspected,the 360's limitations in both media format and lack of standard hdd is hampering a potential masterpiece.

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ya, that last part of the paragraph really reads..."it's all xbox's fault"....contrary to what it actually says.

Who's to say the "pains" of ps3 aren't much more limiting than the lack of hdd's on about 2% of 360's?

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ya, that last part of the paragraph really reads..."it's all xbox's fault"....contrary to what it actually says.

Who's to say the "pains" of ps3 aren't much more limiting than the lack of hdd's on about 2% of 360's?

whoisryanmack

The Official Playstation Magazine of the UK said it's 360's fault so it must be true.

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#4 deactivated-5a07ca3443cc2
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GTA 3 was sill fun and it was on the PS2.

 

 

 

RE4 was a masterpiece, built off of the GC hardware.

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#5 stuart69
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[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]

ya, that last part of the paragraph really reads..."it's all xbox's fault"....contrary to what it actually says.

Who's to say the "pains" of ps3 aren't much more limiting than the lack of hdd's on about 2% of 360's?

Gamer46

The Official Playstation Magazine of the UK said it's 360's fault so it must be true.

 

The magazine did not say it,they just interviewed him.Jeez,hard to accept much? :roll: 

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What is going to be funny when the game is released and it looks and runs great on both. Then all of these children will have to find another reason to cry.
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What is going to be funny when the game is released and it looks and runs great on both. Then all of these children will have to find another reason to cry.cjnwo4life

 

As if people need a reason? this is system wars,get used to it or go and find another forum,you are crying about crying? Yeah that helps :roll: 

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GTA 3 was sill fun and it was on the PS2.

 

I don't understand your logic.

 

RE4 was a masterpiece, built off of the GC hardware.

duncanvk

 

My logic? Erm... it was not me who said it,read the interview! 

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#9 GermanShepard06
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they should just dump the x360 version and move forward.
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they should just dump the x360 version and move forward.GermanShepard06

But the best graphics will be on the X360. Storage has nothing to do with graphics.

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there ar eprobably a hundred exactly the same topics. all those topics leave out the same stuff: that the PS3 version has issues too:probably textures and the slow blu ray
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#12 GermanShepard06
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What is going to be funny when the game is released and it looks and runs great on both. Then all of these children will have to find another reason to cry.cjnwo4life

why would it be funny? thats exacly what is going to happen cuz they are not going to build two different engines for each console so the ps3 is going to be stuck with old-gen stuff cuz of x360.

pffftttttttt.

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[QUOTE="cjnwo4life"]What is going to be funny when the game is released and it looks and runs great on both. Then all of these children will have to find another reason to cry.stuart69

 

As if people need a reason? this is system wars,get used to it or go and find another forum,you are crying about crying? Yeah that helps :roll: 

Stu,

Don't tell me to go somewhere else because my view differs from you. If you don't like what I have to say, skip it and I'll do the same! But I will post whatever I want, when I want  no matter what you think of it!

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[QUOTE="duncanvk"]

GTA 3 was sill fun and it was on the PS2.

 

I don't understand your logic.

 

RE4 was a masterpiece, built off of the GC hardware.

stuart69

 

My logic? Erm... it was not me who said it,read the interview!

What the hell? I don't remember even posting that middle part, hahaha sorry my laptop is kinda kooky, I was typing on this site and another site and I guess I mixed up the text.

 

:P 

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The Xbox 360's lack of a guaranteed hard drive is creating limitations for the Rockstar team developing GTAIV for the Xbox 360, Rockstar Veep Dan Houser said in a recent interview with Official Playstation Magazine.

In the interview Houser was asked:

there having problems with formats

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"On PS3 you've got a guarantee that every machine is going to have a hard-drive and, with Blu-ray, you've got plenty of storage, whereas on Xbox 360 there's no guarantee of a hard-drive and you're working with the DVD format. Does that create limitations?" To which he replied, "Yep." He continued, "To be honest with you we haven't solved all those riddles yet." The difficulties aren't limited to working on Microsoft's box, as Houser explains that "both have enormous challenges" and that "both have their own particular pleasures and pains".

 

As i suspected,the 360's limitations in both media format and lack of standard hdd is hampering a potential masterpiece.

stuart69
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#16 apolloluke
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PS3 slow drive speed, crappy GPU and difficult processor are bigger issues then the ones mentioned for the 360.
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with the elite out and the 20GB PS3 no more, why is MS still making Core X360?
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#18 GermanShepard06
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PS3 slow drive speed, crappy GPU and difficult processor are bigger issues then the ones mentioned for the 360.apolloluke

reading Ms Times much?

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with the elite out and the 20GB PS3 no more, why is MS still making Core X360?xxThyLordxx


because you dont need a hard drive if you are a casual and dont play online, or download demos. they only need something to store a few saves on to be happy.
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#20 GermanShepard06
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[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]they should just dump the x360 version and move forward.PS3_3DO

But the best graphics will be on the X360. Storage has nothing to do with graphics.

thats because the engine is going to start off on the x360 and then ported to ps3.

Get it now?

but expect GTA4 to be the last game for x360, devs are going to move on with the future next-gen engines that x360 can only dream of.

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[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]

ya, that last part of the paragraph really reads..."it's all xbox's fault"....contrary to what it actually says.

Who's to say the "pains" of ps3 aren't much more limiting than the lack of hdd's on about 2% of 360's?

stuart69

The Official Playstation Magazine of the UK said it's 360's fault so it must be true.

 

The magazine did not say it,they just interviewed him.Jeez,hard to accept much? :roll: 

Rockstar also mentioned difficulties with the PS3, but those weren't ellaborated on because of the mag it was in. And Xbox mag could pull the same thing these guys did, end of discussion.

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GTA 3 was sill fun and it was on the PS2.

 

 

 

RE4 was a masterpiece, built off of the GC hardware.

duncanvk

So, whats that got to do with this? :|

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[QUOTE="stuart69"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]

ya, that last part of the paragraph really reads..."it's all xbox's fault"....contrary to what it actually says.

Who's to say the "pains" of ps3 aren't much more limiting than the lack of hdd's on about 2% of 360's?

Gamer46

The Official Playstation Magazine of the UK said it's 360's fault so it must be true.

 

The magazine did not say it,they just interviewed him.Jeez,hard to accept much? :roll: 

Rockstar also mentioned difficulties with the PS3, but those weren't ellaborated on because of the mag it was in. And Xbox mag could pull the same thing these guys did, end of discussion.

there are no difficulties with the ps3, only when porting old-gen engines on a superior hardware that hates old-gen stuff. You see, they cant go backwards, they are not going to start building the engine for ps3 first cuz it wont be able to fit on the x360 disk, so they got to start on the smaller and weaker system.

Future ps3 games will hold 9 - 12 gigs just for physics and animation.

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[QUOTE="apolloluke"]PS3 slow drive speed, crappy GPU and difficult processor are bigger issues then the ones mentioned for the 360.GermanShepard06

reading Ms Times much?


if you hav a PS3.. these things will be more clear/.  textures are bad. even in games like NG Sigma and Motorstorm (GT:HD isn't a game, it's a graphic). Blu ray is slow (how long do you have to wait to pick a freaking car in motorstorm?!!)
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#25 Gamer46
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[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="stuart69"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]

ya, that last part of the paragraph really reads..."it's all xbox's fault"....contrary to what it actually says.

Who's to say the "pains" of ps3 aren't much more limiting than the lack of hdd's on about 2% of 360's?

GermanShepard06

The Official Playstation Magazine of the UK said it's 360's fault so it must be true.

 

The magazine did not say it,they just interviewed him.Jeez,hard to accept much? :roll: 

Rockstar also mentioned difficulties with the PS3, but those weren't ellaborated on because of the mag it was in. And Xbox mag could pull the same thing these guys did, end of discussion.

there are no difficulties with the ps3, only when porting old-gen engines on a superior hardware that hates old-gen stuff. You see, they cant go backwards, they are not going to start building the engine for ps3 first cuz it wont be able to fit on the x360 disk, so they got to start on the smaller and weaker system.

Future ps3 games will hold 9 - 12 gigs just for physics and animation.

Says the PS3 fanboy.

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Future ps3 games will hold 9 - 12 gigs just for physics and animation.GermanShepard06


Enjoy the 45 minute load time, or the 40GB pre-loads...
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[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

[QUOTE="apolloluke"]PS3 slow drive speed, crappy GPU and difficult processor are bigger issues then the ones mentioned for the 360.danneswegman

reading Ms Times much?


if you hav a PS3.. these things will be more clear/.  textures are bad. even in games like NG Sigma and Motorstorm (GT:HD isn't a game, it's a graphic). Blu ray is slow (how long do you have to wait to pick a freaking car in motorstorm?!!)

rofl, its sad that u never seen ps3 games on a real hd-tv.

Take a look at these screens:  http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25291990&page=0

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[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="stuart69"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]

ya, that last part of the paragraph really reads..."it's all xbox's fault"....contrary to what it actually says.

Who's to say the "pains" of ps3 aren't much more limiting than the lack of hdd's on about 2% of 360's?

GermanShepard06

The Official Playstation Magazine of the UK said it's 360's fault so it must be true.

 

The magazine did not say it,they just interviewed him.Jeez,hard to accept much? :roll: 

Rockstar also mentioned difficulties with the PS3, but those weren't ellaborated on because of the mag it was in. And Xbox mag could pull the same thing these guys did, end of discussion.

there are no difficulties with the ps3, only when porting old-gen engines on a superior hardware that hates old-gen stuff. You see, they cant go backwards, they are not going to start building the engine for ps3 first cuz it wont be able to fit on the x360 disk, so they got to start on the smaller and weaker system.

Future ps3 games will hold 9 - 12 gigs just for physics and animation.

I guess MS could sell the HD-DVD add-on for games. They could sell it cheap and take a loss on it like Sony is doing now with Blu-Ray.

 

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[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

[QUOTE="apolloluke"]PS3 slow drive speed, crappy GPU and difficult processor are bigger issues then the ones mentioned for the 360.danneswegman

reading Ms Times much?


if you hav a PS3.. these things will be more clear/.  textures are bad. even in games like NG Sigma and Motorstorm (GT:HD isn't a game, it's a graphic). Blu ray is slow (how long do you have to wait to pick a freaking car in motorstorm?!!)

say what? i cant hear you, you said what?

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[QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

[QUOTE="apolloluke"]PS3 slow drive speed, crappy GPU and difficult processor are bigger issues then the ones mentioned for the 360.GermanShepard06

reading Ms Times much?


if you hav a PS3.. these things will be more clear/.  textures are bad. even in games like NG Sigma and Motorstorm (GT:HD isn't a game, it's a graphic). Blu ray is slow (how long do you have to wait to pick a freaking car in motorstorm?!!)

rofl, its sad that u never seen ps3 games on a real hd-tv.

Take a look at these screens:  http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25291990&page=0



he, he.. too bad that you would die for my set up. he, he..   Motorstorm is great. Ni nja gaiden Sigma is great, but textures just aren't PS3's speciality. i have all three consoles and a very good HD set up. The screens s you want to show are small. Resistance has the worst textures this gen.... The developers even admit that they didn't do texture streaming..

But never mind. i can be honest. i don't identify myself with a product i bought like you.
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[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"][QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

[QUOTE="apolloluke"]PS3 slow drive speed, crappy GPU and difficult processor are bigger issues then the ones mentioned for the 360.danneswegman

reading Ms Times much?


if you hav a PS3.. these things will be more clear/.  textures are bad. even in games like NG Sigma and Motorstorm (GT:HD isn't a game, it's a graphic). Blu ray is slow (how long do you have to wait to pick a freaking car in motorstorm?!!)

rofl, its sad that u never seen ps3 games on a real hd-tv.

Take a look at these screens:  http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25291990&page=0



he, he.. too bad that you would die for my set up. he, he..   Motorstorm is great. Ni nja gaiden Sigma is great, but textures just aren't PS3's speciality. i have all three consoles and a very good HD set up. The screens s you want to show are small. Resistance has the worst textures this gen.... The developers even admit that they didn't do texture streaming..

But never mind. i can be honest. i don't identify myself with a product i bought like you.

there are $400 dollar hd tv's and then there are the $4000 dollar ones but now im sure which one you got.

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there are $400 dollar hd tv's and then there are the $4000 dollar ones but now im sure which one you got.
GermanShepard06

i have a HD projector. not a projection tv...(those are bad), but a Projector. i'm playing on a 100 inch screen.It's great. i can recommend that to anyone. But you got to buy a GOOD hd projector. there are plenty projectors and lot's of them are bad.
i also have a HD tv, but that one is only 32 inch.
about the textures.. the games look good enough, don't worry. but there is a slight problem with textures so far. You can't deny that. even developers talk about it.
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sure does suck that the 360 is limiting the game.. I guess we'll have to get used to it though
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sure does suck that the 360 is limiting the game.. I guess we'll have to get used to it thoughejstrup

it sure does suck that nobody actually said this.....
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[QUOTE="ejstrup"]sure does suck that the 360 is limiting the game.. I guess we'll have to get used to it thoughdanneswegman

it sure does suck that nobody actually said this.....

are we in denial?

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as a person who has played every gta so far(because if so many people like it, I figure it has to be good right?) I have reached the conclusion that the GTA franchise is truly limited by SUCK.

 

GTA IS FOR CASUALS, GTFO MY INTERNETS AND GO PLAY SOME FOOTBALL (if it's raining, go play some madden)

 

stop talking about gta and start talking about good games :x 

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[QUOTE="ejstrup"]sure does suck that the 360 is limiting the game.. I guess we'll have to get used to it thoughdanneswegman

it sure does suck that nobody actually said this.....

As the owner of the next gen console that has the biggest marketshare at the moment (x360): It sure sucks the PS3 is limiting GTA4. You'd say the smallest userbase would have to make some space... 
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[QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="ejstrup"]sure does suck that the 360 is limiting the game.. I guess we'll have to get used to it though11Marcel

it sure does suck that nobody actually said this.....

As the owner of the next gen console that has the biggest marketshare at the moment (x360): It sure sucks the PS3 is limiting GTA4. You'd say the smallest userbase would have to make some space... 

explain. How is the ps3 limiting it?

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[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]

ya, that last part of the paragraph really reads..."it's all xbox's fault"....contrary to what it actually says.

Who's to say the "pains" of ps3 aren't much more limiting than the lack of hdd's on about 2% of 360's?

Gamer46

The Official Playstation Magazine of the UK said it's 360's fault so it must be true.

 Haha so true. OPM has spoken...

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The difficulties aren't limited to working on Microsoft's box.

Not to mention the came from a Playstation mag.... 

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[QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

[QUOTE="apolloluke"]PS3 slow drive speed, crappy GPU and difficult processor are bigger issues then the ones mentioned for the 360.GermanShepard06

reading Ms Times much?


if you hav a PS3.. these things will be more clear/.  textures are bad. even in games like NG Sigma and Motorstorm (GT:HD isn't a game, it's a graphic). Blu ray is slow (how long do you have to wait to pick a freaking car in motorstorm?!!)

say what? i cant hear you, you said what?

He said blu ray is slow and textures suck:

/you.

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#42 11Marcel
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[QUOTE="11Marcel"][QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="ejstrup"]sure does suck that the 360 is limiting the game.. I guess we'll have to get used to it thoughejstrup


it sure does suck that nobody actually said this.....

As the owner of the next gen console that has the biggest marketshare at the moment (x360): It sure sucks the PS3 is limiting GTA4. You'd say the smallest userbase would have to make some space... 

explain. How is the ps3 limiting it?

Well, Rockstar clearly said they were having problems with both consoles. Just because rockstar didn't specify them doesn't mean they don't exist. Also, they wouldn't have any problems with PS3 if they downgraded the game in some way. Conclusion: PS3 is also limiting GTA4.  
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#43 ejstrup
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[QUOTE="ejstrup"]

[QUOTE="11Marcel"][QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="ejstrup"]sure does suck that the 360 is limiting the game.. I guess we'll have to get used to it though11Marcel


it sure does suck that nobody actually said this.....

As the owner of the next gen console that has the biggest marketshare at the moment (x360): It sure sucks the PS3 is limiting GTA4. You'd say the smallest userbase would have to make some space... 

explain. How is the ps3 limiting it?

Well, Rockstar clearly said they were having problems with both consoles. Just because rockstar didn't specify them doesn't mean they don't exist. Also, they wouldn't have any problems with PS3 if they downgraded the game in some way. Conclusion: PS3 is also limiting GTA4.  

 

that is correct but who wants a downgraded game ;p

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#44 Nitrosoft1
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as I've stated before, GTA sucks and is for casual gamers who don't know what real games are.

please move on to a topic that matters (aka, good games) 

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#45 ejstrup
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as I've stated before, GTA sucks and is for casual gamers who don't know what real games are.

please move on to a topic that matters (aka, good games) 

Nitrosoft1

hm I take it "real" games are FPS games, am i rite?

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#46 venture00
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[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]they should just dump the x360 version and move forward.GermanShepard06

But the best graphics will be on the X360. Storage has nothing to do with graphics.

thats because the engine is going to start off on the x360 and then ported to ps3.

Get it now?

but expect GTA4 to be the last game for x360, devs are going to move on with the future next-gen engines that x360 can only dream of.



yeah like cry engine 2.0 that will never run on any console specially the ps3 with its 256 mb of ram :lol: and crippled GPU.
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I intend to get both the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 versions of the game. But my primary version will be on the Playstation 3.

 

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that is correct but who wants a downgraded game ;p
ejstrup

maybe they'll both be downgraded in differetn ways...  who's talking about downgraded anyway.. not them.. you
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[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"][QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

[QUOTE="apolloluke"]PS3 slow drive speed, crappy GPU and difficult processor are bigger issues then the ones mentioned for the 360.Pro_wrestler

reading Ms Times much?


if you hav a PS3.. these things will be more clear/. textures are bad. even in games like NG Sigma and Motorstorm (GT:HD isn't a game, it's a graphic). Blu ray is slow (how long do you have to wait to pick a freaking car in motorstorm?!!)

say what? i cant hear you, you said what?

 

 

 

 

 

He said blu ray is slow and textures suck:



*sigh*  A HDD install can take care of the "slow Blu-Ray drive" and "textures" don't suck. 
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#50 ejstrup
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[QUOTE="ejstrup"]that is correct but who wants a downgraded game ;p
danneswegman

maybe they'll both be downgraded in differetn ways...  who's talking about downgraded anyway.. not them.. you

ehhmm.. they said the lack of harddrive is creating limitations or did you forget that?