Seriously, after the "hot coffee" debacle, I thought Rockstar would be more careful. Apparently not. Now, whether Manhunt 2 deserves the AO rating or not is probably debatable. However, Rockstar HAD TO HAVE KNOWN that they are being watched under a microscope. They've had controversy in the past, and this latest controversy is just going to hurt them even more.

Don't be surprised if GTA IV ends up being delayed because of all this...

They do what they please, go them..ArisShadows

Rockstar doesn't take **** from anyone lol

They do these things because there are limits and when they cross them(Or come close to it) they get a ton of publicty. R* love the contorversy and free publicity they are getting with the whole Manhunt debacle.hellsing321

Well, good for RockStar. I guess the developers think the controversy and free publicity is entirely worth it now that they have to invest more time and money to reprogram parts of the game to get an M-rating. Seems logical :roll:

when they go out of business. they're on the brink.Dreams-Visions

hmm, I think that they learned that there are limits right around the time when the UK banned their game.

As for banning games, that's a violation of free expression. Games should be rated appropriately, and users with sufficient maturity should be able to make their own decisions.

The fact of what in the game is irrelevant. It's the fact that a panel of people with biases and moral stances based on their ideology get to choose what's "right" and "wrong." Thus, altering the sales of a great game. This goes the same way for the MPAA ratings board too.

[QUOTE="hellsing321"]They do these things because there are limits and when they cross them(Or come close to it) they get a ton of publicty. R* love the contorversy and free publicity they are getting with the whole Manhunt debacle.AvIdGaMeR444

Well, good for RockStar. I guess the developers think the controversy and free publicity is entirely worth it now that they have to invest more time and money to reprogram parts of the game to get an M-rating. Seems logical :roll:

that can be made back up in the game all they have to do is take out the porn in the game that is what got it the ao rating. no porn no ao

Yeah I agree they have seriously gone too far with Manhunt 2.

I'm wondering, however, as to why the Manhunt 2 topic got locked....
MoldOnHold

I think someone mentioned why it got the AO rating?

Yeah I agree they have seriously gone too far with Manhunt 2.

I'm wondering, however, as to why the Manhunt 2 topic got locked....
MoldOnHold

Probably because of the lack of proof that OT provided.

If it is true, however, R* is really overdoing it. I have no problem with ingame rape as long as there is a valid importance to the game's story. However, to do it just because you can is simply over the top.

Rockstar needs a reality adjustment. The only way that would work is if no one bought the game. However, some people are without souls and find entertainment in beheading and raping a woman.

Yeah I agree they have seriously gone too far with Manhunt 2.

I'm wondering, however, as to why the Manhunt 2 topic got locked....
MoldOnHold

Yeah I agree they have seriously gone too far with Manhunt 2.

I'm wondering, however, as to why the Manhunt 2 topic got locked....
MoldOnHold

I was wondering the same thing. Anyway, I do agree that they should have been more carefull. Like you said, it seems they have not learned from past experiences.

[QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]Yeah I agree they have seriously gone too far with Manhunt 2.

I'm wondering, however, as to why the Manhunt 2 topic got locked....
StealthSting

I was wondering the same thing. Anyway, I do agree that they should have been more carefull. Like you said, it seems they have not learned from past experiences.

yes thay have now people want the game remeber not long ago no one was talking about the game now they are so when they drop the rape and the game goes m hella sells comin in.

No one should have censorship control of a form of entertainment, if one is too weak minded to stand such material or be "influenced" they can shove it into their deep reccesses and should not be allowed force their worthless morals and beliefs on any other human. Terram

[QUOTE="hellsing321"]They do these things because there are limits and when they cross them(Or come close to it) they get a ton of publicty. R* love the contorversy and free publicity they are getting with the whole Manhunt debacle.AvIdGaMeR444

Well, good for RockStar. I guess the developers think the controversy and free publicity is entirely worth it now that they have to invest more time and money to reprogram parts of the game to get an M-rating. Seems logical :roll:

[QUOTE="Terram"]No one should have censorship control of a form of entertainment, if one is too weak minded to stand such material or be "influenced" they can shove it into their deep reccesses and should not be allowed force their worthless morals and beliefs on any other human. Magical_Guy

You obviously missed the meaning of my post, similar to the sheepish masses of mentally inept humans.

However, some people are without souls and find entertainment in beheading and raping a woman.

Hippostrike

Do you find entertainment in killing a human being? I sure as hell have at some point in a game. But thats were we cross reality from fiction. Then again, this view in society is well received and completely normal nowadays.

Onto rape... This subject however does not fit the above and it will probably fall into the many levels of peoples morals and or when the line is actually crossed... I really don't want to get there. However, it's still a game and the game gives you the choice.

In any case, I think you can handle this conversation. Could you perform rape in real life? You probably could, would you do it? The only huge difference that this is actually a game and you preatty much giving me an assurance, that you would not do so in the game.

I could see the concern in other situations. But most people are showing their concern on their disgust for its availability, despite the fact that they would never do this in the game.

this is the USA, there should be no limits as long as its rated appropriately. if only adults can buy it.....i dont really see the big deal. big kids need games too. not just online shooters either.

im a HUGE horror movie fan and games like this are as close as i can get to that kind of gaming experience.

when they go out of business. they're on the brink.Dreams-Visions

MS would swallow them in a heart beat!!!

There shouldn't be any limits in my opinion. As long as it doesn't directly harm a human being, then who cares? We have the ability to not purchase or play a game that goes too far according to our personal morals. However, telling someone else that they cannot play a game based on those same personal morals is wrong.

As someone else said, big boys need games too. Not allowing an AO game on their systems is ridiculous. That's like someone stopping porn from being sold on DVDs because it's for adults only. That rating exists for a reason, what's the point of even having it if Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft aren't going to allow games that receive it onto their system.

We might as well get rid of the rating and start enforcing heavy censorship. That's the message I'm getting here and I don't like it at all.

It serves them right. They needed to be taught a lesson. But this is the second time...XenogearsMaster

that why their going to sell that game like hot cakes when it comes out with a m rating and is it going to get a m rating ...............HELL YEAH PS2,PS2,PS2.

The fact of what in the game is irrelevant. It's the fact that a panel of people with biases and moral stances based on their ideology get to choose what's "right" and "wrong." Thus, altering the sales of a great game. This goes the same way for the MPAA ratings board too.

soulsofblayck

The difference is that the ESRB did not go out and file a lawsuit against Rockstar like the MPAA have been doing for the last couple of years, those jerks seem bent on ridding the internet of all guitar and bass tablature websiteswithin their jurisdiction, even though it is classified as interpretation and is not against copyright laws even if someone writes out a tablature of a song for guitar, all it is at the end of the day is a text file with numbers and a lot of interpretations are no 100% accurate of the real song, god knows how many renditions of Back in Black by AC/DC exist on the internet and most are not correct (I have the official tab book). Either way the MPAA and ESRB are control freak corporations bent on destroying all the things other people believe in. I am glad I live in Canada where they cannot bug me, its too bad the ESRB has rule over all games in this hemisphere.

When will Rockstar learn that there are limits...? Personally, I commend Rockstar for being one of very few (if there are any others) developers who keep trying to push the idea that there shouldn't BE limits.

Sony and Nintendo should stop being uptight d!ckheads about this, and let the game play, as is. It's not a violation of free speech or anything, seeing as the government doesn't have a hand in it, it's just Nintendo and Sony being complete a$$holes and insulting the intelligence and morals of every single one of their customers. I, for one, wasn't even very interested in Manhunt 2, but this still pisses me off beyond belief. By banning the game on their systems, purely because of the rating, Nintendo and Sony are saying to their customers, "You are not smart enough to determine for yourself what you find acceptable to play on the console that you spent your hard-earned money on, so we'll do it for you, and keep your money".

I personally know a few people who bought the Wii solely because they knew (or thought they knew) that Manhunt 2 was going to be on it, and when they get word of this, there's liable to be lawsuits if they aren't able to return the consoles, and rightfully so. And Sony! WTF IS THIS?? The PS2 wouldn't be half as successful as it is if it weren't for Rockstar's decision to keep the GTA games exclusive to it (at least temporarily, and we all know that Microsoft was surely offering a pretty penny, which Rockstar declined, being loyal to Sony), and now Sony is just spitting in their face by saying, "hey, you pretty much made this console what it is, but we're not letting you release this". I never thought I'd see such blatent disrespect from a console-maker to both the developers that make their business possible, AND the consumers who make their business profitable.

I was planning on buying a PS3 at some point, and maybe even a Wii, but after this... If this decision stands and Manhunt 2 is not released, or forced to be remade for the M rating, I'll never buy another Nintendo or Sony product again. And I urge anyone else who wants the CONSOLE-MAKERS to learn that there are limits to do the same. Don't let this bullsh!t stand.

[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"]

The fact of what in the game is irrelevant. It's the fact that a panel of people with biases and moral stances based on their ideology get to choose what's "right" and "wrong." Thus, altering the sales of a great game. This goes the same way for the MPAA ratings board too.

DSgamer64

The difference is that the ESRB did not go out and file a lawsuit against Rockstar like the MPAA have been doing for the last couple of years, those jerks seem bent on ridding the internet of all guitar and bass tablature websiteswithin their jurisdiction, even though it is classified as interpretation and is not against copyright laws even if someone writes out a tablature of a song for guitar, all it is at the end of the day is a text file with numbers and a lot of interpretations are no 100% accurate of the real song, god knows how many renditions of Back in Black by AC/DC exist on the internet and most are not correct (I have the official tab book). Either way the MPAA and ESRB are control freak corporations bent on destroying all the things other people believe in. I am glad I live in Canada where they cannot bug me, its too bad the ESRB has rule over all games in this hemisphere.

You're thinking of the RIAA. The MPAA rates movies.