RSI: the reason the pc is unkillable, St Ci might go ps4 but heavily gimped

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#1 ionusX
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http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/07/28/stick-and-rudder-the-myth-of-the-pc-master-race/

RSI has spoken and hinted at star citizen possibly being on ps4 however they make no illusions. the game if it does go multiplat will be smaller, graphically inferior, on seperate servers, and a lot more crude and condensed. TL;DR translation: vastly inferior because cows have fixed hardware and the fact that they dont like consoles.

they then go on to explain why consoles are a bad idea and why they are trying to kill the pc and turn you into uninformed unempowered consumers.

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#2 deactivated-58e448fd89d82
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Welcome to watered down gaming, welcome to power.

 

Power will kill almost anything when greedy people are involved.

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#3 soulitane
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Cool, I'll enjoy my PS4 when I get it.
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they then go on to explain why consoles are a bad idea and why they are trying to kill the pc and turn you into uninformed unempowered consumers.ionusX

Yeah, okay now. :roll:

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#5 Blabadon
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I liked the article. Sounds like a good summarization of what most should know about the differences with PC and console gaming.
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#6 delete-SimplyFatal
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Good read, thanks
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#8 whitey_rolls
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What he's saying is pretty subjective except the point about who consoles are made for, he's definitely right on with that one. 

The rest of it could be argued either way a person who prefers consoles could turn that whole article upside down and it would make just as much sense. 

Although I must say in the past couple of years PC gaming has had a much more entrepreneurial feel to it.  Like if you are dedicated you could release an indie game and have it be a  huge success, especially with Kickstarter.  Where in contrast the console games only become really popular if they get put in the hype machine by Sony/MS and have multi millions of dollars spent on production (CGI), Marketing etc. 

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arnold20schwarzenegger20nazi1.jpg

 

History will look back and say "those consoles sure sucked dick".

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#10 kipsta77
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The game really looks interesting.

It'll be inferior on console? What's new?...

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#11 jhonMalcovich
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Nice article. 

Summary: console gaming, except some rare jewels, is casual crap. This is what we all already knew though.

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#12 DrTrafalgarLaw
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You mean Chris Roberts: "I've never worked with fixed hardware so I'll cover up my incompetence by stroking the PC elitist ego"
He's lucky I loved Freelancer but he should keep venues open for a glorious ps4 version.

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#13 poptart
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The article is true on one hand, however 1) he does understate the important factor of convinience associated with consoles and 2) there is generally enough variety/quality on any given console to keep most people occupied without need for a second or third device (I'm referencing myself here admitedlly - i.e. my life is consumed by 9-5 grind, garnished with a little social interaction just to remind me I am still normal). Interesting point about consoles being the domain of publishers, which is true - the same as those who dominate other forms of entertainment. The freewheeling PC may be the sole bastion for developers to really get creative, however as much as I'd like to get involved more, TBH I really just can't be fvcked with it. 

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#14 lowe0
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You mean Chris Roberts: "I've never worked with fixed hardware so I'll cover up my incompetence by stroking the PC elitist ego"
He's lucky I loved Freelancer but he should keep venues open for a glorious ps4 version.

DrTrafalgarLaw
I don't think that Roberts is an incompetent game developer (or even movie producer, if we ignore one unfortunate incident). I do think he's stroking egos to garner funding, which, given the current level of funding, I'm not sure any of us are in a position to criticize that decision.
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[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

You mean Chris Roberts: "I've never worked with fixed hardware so I'll cover up my incompetence by stroking the PC elitist ego"
He's lucky I loved Freelancer but he should keep venues open for a glorious ps4 version.

lowe0

I don't think that Roberts is an incompetent game developer (or even movie producer, if we ignore one unfortunate incident). I do think he's stroking egos to garner funding, which, given the current level of funding, I'm not sure any of us are in a position to criticize that decision.

when was his last game again? 10 years ago?

People are putting an aweful lot of trust in a failed movie director whose games date from 10 years back.

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http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/07/28/stick-and-rudder-the-myth-of-the-pc-master-race/

RSI has spoken and hinted at star citizen possibly being on ps4 however they make no illusions. the game if it does go multiplat will be smaller, graphically inferior, on seperate servers, and a lot more crude and condensed. TL;DR translation: vastly inferior because cows have fixed hardware and the fact that they dont like consoles.

they then go on to explain why consoles are a bad idea and why they are trying to kill the pc and turn you into uninformed unempowered consumers.

ionusX

 

So it will be a gimped experience for most people on PC.? Because most PC out there are under PS4 power levels..:lol:

 

So 660TI or 7870 or better which are a minority on PC.

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[QUOTE="ionusX"]

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/07/28/stick-and-rudder-the-myth-of-the-pc-master-race/

RSI has spoken and hinted at star citizen possibly being on ps4 however they make no illusions. the game if it does go multiplat will be smaller, graphically inferior, on seperate servers, and a lot more crude and condensed. TL;DR translation: vastly inferior because cows have fixed hardware and the fact that they dont like consoles.

they then go on to explain why consoles are a bad idea and why they are trying to kill the pc and turn you into uninformed unempowered consumers.

tormentos

 

So it will be a gimped experience for most people on PC.? Because most PC out there are under PS4 power levels..:lol:

 

So 660TI or 7870 or better which are a minority on PC.

lol troll harder tormentos.. i can almost laugh at your posts :P

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[QUOTE="ionusX"]

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/07/28/stick-and-rudder-the-myth-of-the-pc-master-race/

RSI has spoken and hinted at star citizen possibly being on ps4 however they make no illusions. the game if it does go multiplat will be smaller, graphically inferior, on seperate servers, and a lot more crude and condensed. TL;DR translation: vastly inferior because cows have fixed hardware and the fact that they dont like consoles.

they then go on to explain why consoles are a bad idea and why they are trying to kill the pc and turn you into uninformed unempowered consumers.

tormentos

 

So it will be a gimped experience for most people on PC.? Because most PC out there are under PS4 power levels..:lol:

 

So 660TI or 7870 or better which are a minority on PC.

LOL what an idiot!
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#19 Peredith
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There sure is alot of "PC gaming isn't dying" threads lately :?

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#20 jhonMalcovich
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There sure is alot of "PC gaming isn't dying" threads lately :?

Peredith

Yep. We had a big influx of members into the Master Race band lately :D SW became generally pro-PC, which is right.

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#21 Heil68
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Cool, I'll enjoy my PS4 when I get it.soulitane
Indeed.
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#23 tormentos
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lol troll harder tormentos.. i can almost laugh at your posts :P

ionusX

 

Easy you can start by proving that stronger than PS4 GPU are the standard on PC,and not like steam stats show a minority.

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#24 tormentos
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 LOL what an idiot!SimplyFatal

 

 

Can you prove me wrong show me 1 stat that shows that most GPU on PC are top of the line or even close to..

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I have to actually agree with Dr.
Hes just ego stroking to get more funding in the future.

 

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[QUOTE="ionusX"]

lol troll harder tormentos.. i can almost laugh at your posts :P

tormentos

 

Easy you can start by proving that stronger than PS4 GPU are the standard on PC,and not like steam stats show a minority.

How many console players are playing a PS4 right now?  Exactly.  Your poin is stupid.

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[QUOTE="ionusX"]

lol troll harder tormentos.. i can almost laugh at your posts :P

tormentos

 

Easy you can start by proving that stronger than PS4 GPU are the standard on PC,and not like steam stats show a minority.

Who cares. It never stopped graphically heavy titles from selling millions of copies on PC. Examples: Crysis, Witcher 2, Total War. All of them sold over 2M copies on PC. More than enough for an indie developer who doesn´t need to spend money on marketing, publishing or platform fees.

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[QUOTE="SimplyFatal"]  LOL what an idiot!tormentos

 

 

Can you prove me wrong show me 1 stat that shows that most GPU on PC are top of the line or even close to..

Can you prove me that PS4 GPU is top of the line or even close to :P

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#29 call_of_duty_10
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Skimmed through the article.

 

 

It was pathetic.

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I cant wait till PC exclusive users will finally stop caring what a bunch of strangers on the internet think of them and become secure enough in themselves to stop making useless posts like these that all practically scream "I have a tiny penis SEE HOW AWESOME MY THROBBING PC IS!!!!!!!! Please acknowledge that my PC is super number one cool so I can validate my exsistence!"

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I cant wait till PC exclusive users will finally stop caring what a bunch of strangers on the internet think of them and become secure enough in themselves to stop making useless posts like these that all practically scream "I have a tiny penis SEE HOW AWESOME MY THROBBING PC IS!!!!!!!! Please acknowledge that my PC is super number one cool so I can validate my exsistence!"

Gargus

 

Ironic, just saying.

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I cant wait till PC exclusive users will finally stop caring what a bunch of strangers on the internet think of them and become secure enough in themselves to stop making useless posts like these that all practically scream "I have a tiny penis SEE HOW AWESOME MY THROBBING PC IS!!!!!!!! Please acknowledge that my PC is super number one cool so I can validate my exsistence!"

Gargus

Well with all the useless post consolites make, they must be screaming "I have no penis by your logic.

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[QUOTE="Gargus"]

I cant wait till PC exclusive users will finally stop caring what a bunch of strangers on the internet think of them and become secure enough in themselves to stop making useless posts like these that all practically scream "I have a tiny penis SEE HOW AWESOME MY THROBBING PC IS!!!!!!!! Please acknowledge that my PC is super number one cool so I can validate my exsistence!"

AMD655

Ironic, just saying.

The irony is strong in this one.

Edit : I asume everyone is aware that this article wasn't written by Chris Roberts, I doubt he was even consulted on it. I'm glad there are people out there writing these as it gives Star Citizen free advertising which means the people's game will be even better :)

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[QUOTE="ionusX"]

lol troll harder tormentos.. i can almost laugh at your posts :P

tormentos

 

Easy you can start by proving that stronger than PS4 GPU are the standard on PC,and not like steam stats show a minority.

You're assuming he's building the game to run on lower end machines. His team is not. They are building it for high end machines of 2014-2015, not low end machines of 2013. Since it's crowd funded the investors know what they are investing in. The team will already have their money so at the least they'll be breaking even with dev costs, which is all most game developers do anyways.

You should educate yourself a bit more about things before you post here. 

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Console only gamers are settling for less, this fact has been true for decades.

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[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/07/28/stick-and-rudder-the-myth-of-the-pc-master-race/

RSI has spoken and hinted at star citizen possibly being on ps4 however they make no illusions. the game if it does go multiplat will be smaller, graphically inferior, on seperate servers, and a lot more crude and condensed. TL;DR translation: vastly inferior because cows have fixed hardware and the fact that they dont like consoles.

they then go on to explain why consoles are a bad idea and why they are trying to kill the pc and turn you into uninformed unempowered consumers.

SimplyFatal

 

So it will be a gimped experience for most people on PC.? Because most PC out there are under PS4 power levels..:lol:

 

So 660TI or 7870 or better which are a minority on PC.

LOL what an idiot!

But he is right though in the sense that alot of people DONT have those graphics cards in their systems and only a small small majority do

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But he is right thoughxboxiphoneps3

No he's not. Problem with this place is people comment on crap they know nothing about.

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[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]But he is right thoughWasdie

No he's not. Problem with this place is people comment on crap they know nothing about.

H he is right in the sense of alot of people not having that power in their PC's at home.. They dont
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[QUOTE="SimplyFatal"]  LOL what an idiot!tormentos

 

 

Can you prove me wrong show me 1 stat that shows that most GPU on PC are top of the line or even close to..

First of all you are the one who made the statement, so you should have some data to back up your statement. Don't be a lazy ass. Secondly, there are many categories of PC's (i.e. workstations, HTPC, PC's designed for art related productions, gaming PC's, etc.) If we include all those categories, then the average GPU would most likely lag the next gen consoles.
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]But he is right thoughxboxiphoneps3

No he's not. Problem with this place is people comment on crap they know nothing about.

H he is right in the sense of alot of people not having that power in their PC's at home.. They dont

That's true, but he's completely wrong about Star Citizen. Also depsite the average PC being 3-4 years out of date, that has never once stopped devs from pushing it. PC gamers are usually willing to upgrade to play the latest games.

There is a reason why each year there is always a new best looking game.

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[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

No he's not. Problem with this place is people comment on crap they know nothing about.

Wasdie

H he is right in the sense of alot of people not having that power in their PC's at home.. They dont

That's true, but he's completely wrong about Star Citizen. Also depsite the average PC being 3-4 years out of date, that has never once stopped devs from pushing it. PC gamers are usually willing to upgrade to play the latest games.

There is a reason why each year there is always a new best looking game.

Oh yeah i know that, i was just agreeing to the notion of alot of people not having that type of power in their PC's at home.. Thats all.. Im probably going to build a gaming rig next year anyway and have the best of both worlds PC/PS4... My current rig can play older games pretty well but its meh (i7 920, hd4850, 6 gigs of ram lol)
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#42 FragTycoon
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Lumping all PCs into one category again..... shocker. :roll:

Reality is only a fraction of computers out there are "gaming computers" and a lot of developers have difficulty scaling graphics for all PC formats.

Consoles will always have a place in gaming just like PCs because it has a standard format and ease of use.... it's not that difficult to understand that.