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#1 -Renegade
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Here's the real scoop as to why GTAIV was "delayed". It was never going to be released this year to begin with. Take 2 is in big financial trouble, and has been for quite some time. Isn't it obvious this was the case? Come on, man. If either version of the game were actually causing Rockstar that much difficulty, that version of the game would have been delayed so that at least one version could have been released during the holiday season. Citing "difficulties during development" and not elaborating during a shareholder's conference is the most obvious and painfully transparent deception of all. Take 2 told their shareholders that they'd have GTAIV out in 2007 so that they'd get more money from said shareholders. No investor wants to hear that the big money-maker is coming out in 2008 - especially when it's obvious that the company is in financial trouble in 2007. The plan was always to release the game in 2008, not 2007. In fact, I would not be surprised if the game actually ships next fall.

If there are any developmental problems, they would stem from the Xbox 360 version of the game. The PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV has been in development longer than the 360 version has been, despite Rockstar showing off the "360" version every chance they get to show off the game. GTA IV's technological "problems" on 360 stem from a couple of things. Unlike last generation where the PS2 did not have a standard hard drive, Rockstar is utilizing hard drive-caching and disc streaming for GTAIV. Assuming that they can actually fit all the content onto a DVD, the disc-streaming isn't a problem for 360 - it's the lack of a hard drive being standard. Microsoft is quite adamant about a game like GTAIV being able to be played by every single 360 owner. It gives them a marketing bulletin point to note that next-gen GTA can be played on a system that retails for $279.

But again, it's extremely unlikely that the "developmental challenges" are a legit excuse, anyway. It's a case of over-ambition and not enough time to deliver that game that resulted in a premature release date. A premature release date to help take a bit of the pressure off of Take 2 to perform, financially.

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seems plausible.

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PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV has been in development longer than the 360 version has been, despite Rockstar showing off the "360" version every chance they get to show off the game

Makes no sense. And didn't rockstar say they were a week ahead for the 360 version?

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#4 LastSamurai14
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Ps3 is a jokeNugtoka
false.
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PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV has been in development longer than the 360 version has been, despite Rockstar showing off the "360" version every chance they get to show off the game

Makes no sense. And didn't rockstar say they were a week ahead for the 360 version?

LastSamurai14

its the truth though rockstar has said they made an engine specifically for ps3 for this game.

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#7 bearbones
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Ps3 is a jokeNugtoka

I don't get it:?

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#8 JiveT
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This guy seems like an idiot and he doesn't even have the guts to put his name to this garbage. I like how he puts quotes around the "360" version as if Rockstar lied about what system it was running on. What the heck would they have to gain from that? None of his "reasonings" make any sense. "The real scoop" my bung.
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#9 gromit007
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[QUOTE="LastSamurai14"]

PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV has been in development longer than the 360 version has been, despite Rockstar showing off the "360" version every chance they get to show off the game

Makes no sense. And didn't rockstar say they were a week ahead for the 360 version?

-Renegade

its the truth though rockstar has said they made an engine specifically for ps3 for this game.

GTA uses the RAGE engine. It's the engine Rockstar developed for the 360 and used for Table Tennis.

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PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV has been in development longer than the 360 version has been, despite Rockstar showing off the "360" version every chance they get to show off the game

Makes no sense. And didn't rockstar say they were a week ahead for the 360 version?

LastSamurai14


Owned.
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#11 Pro_wrestler
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I get Ureal Tournement 3 and GTA4 all around the same time....I fail to see how this is bad news,
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#12 VACASCULIADAS
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[QUOTE="LastSamurai14"]

PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV has been in development longer than the 360 version has been, despite Rockstar showing off the "360" version every chance they get to show off the game

Makes no sense. And didn't rockstar say they were a week ahead for the 360 version?

-Renegade

its the truth though rockstar has said they made an engine specifically for ps3 for this game.



quit lying the xbox360 is the lead plataform. stop spreading crap.
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So they're saying that the real reason for the GTAIV delay is that Take-Two and Rockstar collaborated to commit fraud. Yeah, I'm not buying it.
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#14 no_submission
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Ps3 is a jokeNugtoka

CAN YOU READ!?

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#15 Hangman550
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Someone Correct my logic if I'm wrong...

Isn't it plausible that Rockstar began development for GTA IV for the playstation right after GTA:SA before their talks with microsoft?

Not a sermon... Just a Thought

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[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="LastSamurai14"]

PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV has been in development longer than the 360 version has been, despite Rockstar showing off the "360" version every chance they get to show off the game

Makes no sense. And didn't rockstar say they were a week ahead for the 360 version?

VACASCULIADAS

its the truth though rockstar has said they made an engine specifically for ps3 for this game.



quit lying the xbox360 is the lead plataform. stop spreading crap.

Rockstar North is working on a completely new game engine for the PS3-based Grand Theft Auto 4. With all the power that the Cell, RSX, and Blu-Ray discs will provide, Rockstar aiming to develop a photo realistic city populated with equally realistic humans.

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#17 MGS9150
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The PS3 version has been in development longer because it was supposed to be a timed exclusive but Sony was too slow and MS wallet was too bug. Thats the same reason why Assassins creed was taken multiplat. There was an article about it on GS a while ago.
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#18 LastSamurai14
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[QUOTE="VACASCULIADAS"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="LastSamurai14"]

PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV has been in development longer than the 360 version has been, despite Rockstar showing off the "360" version every chance they get to show off the game

Makes no sense. And didn't rockstar say they were a week ahead for the 360 version?

-Renegade

its the truth though rockstar has said they made an engine specifically for ps3 for this game.



quit lying the xbox360 is the lead plataform. stop spreading crap.

Rockstar North is working on a completely new game engine for the PS3-based Grand Theft Auto 4. With all the power that the Cell, RSX, and Blu-Ray discs will provide, Rockstar aiming to develop a photo realistic city populated with equally realistic humans.

Link

pwned.
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#19 VACASCULIADAS
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[QUOTE="VACASCULIADAS"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="LastSamurai14"]

PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV has been in development longer than the 360 version has been, despite Rockstar showing off the "360" version every chance they get to show off the game

Makes no sense. And didn't rockstar say they were a week ahead for the 360 version?

-Renegade

its the truth though rockstar has said they made an engine specifically for ps3 for this game.



quit lying the xbox360 is the lead plataform. stop spreading crap.

Rockstar North is working on a completely new game engine for the PS3-based Grand Theft Auto 4. With all the power that the Cell, RSX, and Blu-Ray discs will provide, Rockstar aiming to develop a photo realistic city populated with equally realistic humans.

Link



Xbox360 is the lead plataform again, even rockstart said this. And that Rumor=/=True when rockstart admits this by themselfs i will believe.
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#20 MGS9150
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[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="VACASCULIADAS"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="LastSamurai14"]

PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV has been in development longer than the 360 version has been, despite Rockstar showing off the "360" version every chance they get to show off the game

Makes no sense. And didn't rockstar say they were a week ahead for the 360 version?

VACASCULIADAS

its the truth though rockstar has said they made an engine specifically for ps3 for this game.



quit lying the xbox360 is the lead plataform. stop spreading crap.

Rockstar North is working on a completely new game engine for the PS3-based Grand Theft Auto 4. With all the power that the Cell, RSX, and Blu-Ray discs will provide, Rockstar aiming to develop a photo realistic city populated with equally realistic humans.

Link



Xbox360 is the lead plataform again, even rockstart said this. And that Rumor=/=True when rockstart admits this by themselfs i will believe.

Thats is not true because GTA 4 was supposed to be a PS3 timed exclusive.

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#21 gromit007
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[QUOTE="VACASCULIADAS"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="LastSamurai14"]

PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV has been in development longer than the 360 version has been, despite Rockstar showing off the "360" version every chance they get to show off the game

Makes no sense. And didn't rockstar say they were a week ahead for the 360 version?

-Renegade

its the truth though rockstar has said they made an engine specifically for ps3 for this game.



quit lying the xbox360 is the lead plataform. stop spreading crap.

Rockstar North is working on a completely new game engine for the PS3-based Grand Theft Auto 4. With all the power that the Cell, RSX, and Blu-Ray discs will provide, Rockstar aiming to develop a photo realistic city populated with equally realistic humans.

Link

A 2 year old article from PSM and quoted by a now-dead blog is totally trustworthy.

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#22 -Renegade
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[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="VACASCULIADAS"][QUOTE="-Renegade"]

its the truth though rockstar has said they made an engine specifically for ps3 for this game.

gromit007



quit lying the xbox360 is the lead plataform. stop spreading crap.

Rockstar North is working on a completely new game engine for the PS3-based Grand Theft Auto 4. With all the power that the Cell, RSX, and Blu-Ray discs will provide, Rockstar aiming to develop a photo realistic city populated with equally realistic humans.

Link

A 2 year old article from PSM and quoted by a now-dead blog is totally trustworthy.

i would say so considering the game didn't start development yesterday.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is being described as a mix of Rambo and Black Hawk Down. Snake will be involved heavily in urban combat fighting alongside a squad of computer controlled teammates.

i would also like to point out that this turned out to be true from that 2 year old article...

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#23 JiveT
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Dude they already said it uses the RAGE engine and the only game that has used it so far is Table Tennis for the 360. So just accept that fact.
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#24 mazdaspeed-rx8
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[QUOTE="VACASCULIADAS"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="LastSamurai14"]

PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV has been in development longer than the 360 version has been, despite Rockstar showing off the "360" version every chance they get to show off the game

Makes no sense. And didn't rockstar say they were a week ahead for the 360 version?

-Renegade

its the truth though rockstar has said they made an engine specifically for ps3 for this game.



quit lying the xbox360 is the lead plataform. stop spreading crap.

Rockstar North is working on a completely new game engine for the PS3-based Grand Theft Auto 4. With all the power that the Cell, RSX, and Blu-Ray discs will provide, Rockstar aiming to develop a photo realistic city populated with equally realistic humans.

Link

talk about renegade just owning ppl and taking names.
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#25 ironcreed
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Very interesting indeed, and sounds very plausible. However, all of these rumors that circulate make it hard to know what is based in truth, and what is based in complete, and utter BS. This is the kind of stuff that I am going to start taking with a grain of salt, true or not. As I just want the game, and the sooner it is out the better.

By the way....PS3 version for me of course, lol. What else for a GTA game?:P

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#26 DA_B0MB
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"If either version of the game were actually causing Rockstar that much difficulty, that version of the game would have been delayed so that at least one version could have been released during the holiday season"

Wrong. R* made a buisness deal with MS saying that R* is not allowed to release the PS3 version ahead of the 360 one and I believe SONY had a similar deal vice versa. I dub this rumour report false.

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I think its because Take2 is in financial disarray and the restructuring they incurred caught up with them.
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#28 MGS9150
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http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/grandtheftauto4/news.html?sid=6162084&mode=all

Microsoft contacted both Take-Two and Ubisoft and offered them very generous terms to bring Assassin's Creed and Grand Theft Auto IV to the Xbox 360.

GTA 4 was made for the PS3 until MS payed Rockstar to make a 360 version, the PS3 version was in development first therefore it is the lead platform.

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#29 Hangman550
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The Manhunt 2 debacle couldn't have helped matters...
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[QUOTE="-Renegade"][Rockstar North is working on a completely new game engine for the PS3-based Grand Theft Auto 4. With all the power that the Cell, RSX, and Blu-Ray discs will provide, Rockstar aiming to develop a photo realistic city populated with equally realistic humans.

Link

mazdaspeed-rx8

talk about renegade just owning ppl and taking names.

Not really. Click the link and tell me how many of those bullet points have turned out to be total crap over the last two years. The quote came from PSM and they likely just threw in that 'PS3 based' quote for no good reason.

GTA4 was under development before PS3 SDKs were sent out. It uses Rockstar's RAGE engine. The RAGE engine was used for Table Tennis. Get it???

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#31 VACASCULIADAS
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[QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][Rockstar North is working on a completely new game engine for the PS3-based Grand Theft Auto 4. With all the power that the Cell, RSX, and Blu-Ray discs will provide, Rockstar aiming to develop a photo realistic city populated with equally realistic humans.

Link

gromit007

talk about renegade just owning ppl and taking names.

Not really. Click the link and tell me how many of those bullet points have turned out to be total crap over the last two years. The quote came from PSM and they likely just threw in that 'PS3 based' quote for no good reason.

GTA4 was under development before PS3 SDKs were sent out. It uses Rockstar's RAGE engine. The RAGE engine was used for Table Tennis. Get it???



talk about self owned for 2 years article that came from PSN. :lol:
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this make waaaay more sence. and of course ms has been paying rockstar money to show the game on 360,
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[QUOTE="VACASCULIADAS"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="LastSamurai14"]

PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV has been in development longer than the 360 version has been, despite Rockstar showing off the "360" version every chance they get to show off the game

Makes no sense. And didn't rockstar say they were a week ahead for the 360 version?

-Renegade

its the truth though rockstar has said they made an engine specifically for ps3 for this game.



quit lying the xbox360 is the lead plataform. stop spreading crap.

Rockstar North is working on a completely new game engine for the PS3-based Grand Theft Auto 4. With all the power that the Cell, RSX, and Blu-Ray discs will provide, Rockstar aiming to develop a photo realistic city populated with equally realistic humans.

Link

September 12th, 2005 thats very old but nice try
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#34 -Renegade
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[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="VACASCULIADAS"]
quit lying the xbox360 is the lead plataform. stop spreading crap.
anotherhaloguy1

Rockstar North is working on a completely new game engine for the PS3-based Grand Theft Auto 4. With all the power that the Cell, RSX, and Blu-Ray discs will provide, Rockstar aiming to develop a photo realistic city populated with equally realistic humans.

Link

September 12th, 2005 thats very old but nice try

of course it's old like i said before the game didn't start development yesterday!

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#35 Yellow_Rose
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[QUOTE="VACASCULIADAS"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="LastSamurai14"]

PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV has been in development longer than the 360 version has been, despite Rockstar showing off the "360" version every chance they get to show off the game

Makes no sense. And didn't rockstar say they were a week ahead for the 360 version?

-Renegade

its the truth though rockstar has said they made an engine specifically for ps3 for this game.



quit lying the xbox360 is the lead plataform. stop spreading crap.

Rockstar North is working on a completely new game engine for the PS3-based Grand Theft Auto 4. With all the power that the Cell, RSX, and Blu-Ray discs will provide, Rockstar aiming to develop a photo realistic city populated with equally realistic humans.

Link

Date of article - September 2005.

before the 360 even released.

When people were still thinking the Killzone CG was real ;)

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#36 cf2012
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So they're saying that the real reason for the GTAIV delay is that Take-Two and Rockstar collaborated to commit fraud. Yeah, I'm not buying it.Hoffgod

Well didnt you read the article about take 2 getting into trouble with the feds about there shares?

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I would rather them delay the game than rush it. Who cares what is at fault. If they rush it, one platform or another will have major problems, ruining the game on that platform.

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#38 eastside49er
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The 360 is the lead platform. Rockstar has even mentioned that a few time. This rumor seems false as false can be.

/thread

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#39 Yellow_Rose
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[QUOTE="anotherhaloguy1"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="VACASCULIADAS"]
quit lying the xbox360 is the lead plataform. stop spreading crap.
-Renegade

Rockstar North is working on a completely new game engine for the PS3-based Grand Theft Auto 4. With all the power that the Cell, RSX, and Blu-Ray discs will provide, Rockstar aiming to develop a photo realistic city populated with equally realistic humans.

Link

September 12th, 2005 thats very old but nice try

of course it's old like i said before the game didn't start development yesterday!

Now be a good boy and tell me when it was announced for the 360.

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#40 PhoebusFlows
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Dumb article.

You know why???

In the GTA4 preview they played with an Xbox 360 controller! :lol:

It showed on the screen, "Press LB Trunk"

LB = Left Bumper= Xbox 360 controller

Somebody hit the article writer for me, what an idiot

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#41 G10mgs4
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The 360 is the lead platform. Rockstar has even mentioned that a few time. This rumor seems false as false can be.

/thread

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not realy it makes very mush sence for them to start on the ps3, sence they did end off on the ps2 with sa. they where making the game for ps3, then ms hit them wit a deal, to make it simulatiuas release, that seems, really good.

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#42 VACASCULIADAS
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Dumb article.

You know why???

In the GTA4 preview they played with an Xbox 360 controller! :lol:

It showed on the screen, "Press LB Trunk"

LB = Left Bumper= Xbox 360 controller

Somebody hit the article writer for me, what an idiot

PhoebusFlows


Tell that to the fanboys, they keep thinking that ps3 is the lead plataform :roll:
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#43 Tactis
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please...i love how he doesn't really give a reason for the them not showing the ps3 version of GTA4 at all if it was their best looking and running so smoothly why haven't we seen it?

anyway the best reason i have read is that rockstar is just not used to multiplat development and couldn't deliver on the product even the greatest developers can come up short.

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#44 G10mgs4
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[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

Dumb article.

You know why???

In the GTA4 preview they played with an Xbox 360 controller! :lol:

It showed on the screen, "Press LB Trunk"

LB = Left Bumper= Xbox 360 controller

Somebody hit the article writer for me, what an idiot

VACASCULIADAS



Tell that to the fanboys, they keep thinking that ps3 is the lead plataform :roll:

didnt you read where it said that but the still show the 360 version. ms could jus be paying thim

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#45 VACASCULIADAS
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[QUOTE="VACASCULIADAS"][QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

Dumb article.

You know why???

In the GTA4 preview they played with an Xbox 360 controller! :lol:

It showed on the screen, "Press LB Trunk"

LB = Left Bumper= Xbox 360 controller

Somebody hit the article writer for me, what an idiot

G10mgs4



Tell that to the fanboys, they keep thinking that ps3 is the lead plataform :roll:

didnt you read where it said that but the still show the 360 version. ms could jus be paying thim



Sure microsoft's always paying to the companies to piss off sony fanboys :roll:
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[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="anotherhaloguy1"]September 12th, 2005 thats very old but nice tryYellow_Rose

of course it's old like i said before the game didn't start development yesterday!

Now be a good boy and tell me when it was announced for the 360.

it was announced e3 06 i really don't see your point.

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#47 puissance000
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who cares if the 360 or ps3 is in the lead! Both versions are coming out the day! jeez........:|
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[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="anotherhaloguy1"]September 12th, 2005 thats very old but nice try-Renegade

of course it's old like i said before the game didn't start development yesterday!

Now be a good boy and tell me when it was announced for the 360.

it was announced e3 06 i really don't see your point.

Good boy.

Now how many months has that been?

And for extra credit, when did Rockstar's Table tennis release for the 360. ;)

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#49 PhoebusFlows
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1up.com said you press "Y" button to enter a vehicle.

There is no "Y" button the PS3 controller :lol:

Please let's end this torture. It's looking bad for you

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#50 -Renegade
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[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Now be a good boy and tell me when it was announced for the 360.

Yellow_Rose

it was announced e3 06 i really don't see your point.

Good boy.

Now how many months has that been?

And for extra credit, when did Rockstar's Table tennis release for the 360. ;)

what does all of this have to do with the game starting development on ps3? :roll: