Ryan Payton: 'PS3 and 360 sales disappointing; MGS4 will define next-gen gaming'

Gamasutra: It can't be overstated how important this game is for Playstation 3, I think, and it's like a proof-of-concept for the system, almost.

Ryan Payton, Producer, Kojima Productions: Yeah. I'm not sure what else I can say about it...I think it's a proof-of-concept not only for the Playstation 3, but for "next-gen" gaming as a whole. I don't think I'm the only one who's disappointed in the sales of next-gen consoles--

Gamasutra: Even the 360 sales, you're disappointed in?

RP: Absolutely. I think overall they had loftier expectations for the 360. And so I think Metal Gear Solid 4 could really be a big turning point for next-gen gaming as a whole. Of course we have the next-gen sound, we have the next-gen graphics, but it really is about the next-gen gameplay that's going to get people excited. And get them to throw down 300, 400, 500 dollars for a new console. So yeah, that's a big burden, because a lot of games aren't pushing that. They're putting in the next-gen graphics, next-gen sound, but the gameplay' staying the same. And that's a problem.

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Oh snaps.

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

TheOwnerOner

Ryan > You ...x50

Of course he's going to say that...Brmarlin

it's not like he said "360 sucks, PS3 rules all!"

he's being ambiguous, which is a good stance, and he's a guy who's confident in the game he's helping to build.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, MGS4 WILL GIVE A NEW MEANING TO GAIMG AS A WHOLE.

IT WILL KILL OFFTHE OLD STYLE OF GAMING. all this fps will have to come to an end

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

TheOwnerOner

what was the lie? He stated his view of "next-gen gameplay" as of now. he's got a point. How many games are next gen in anything but shiny graphics?

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

TheOwnerOner

Why? He is speaking truthfully. A lot of games are just graphical showcases with nothing else to show for.

[QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

Mordred19

what was the lie? He stated his view of "next-gen gameplay" as of now. he's got a point. How many games are next gen in anything but shiny graphics?

360 software sales are monster. His statements are self promoting and biased.

[QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

ChrisMun

Ryan > You ...x50

dont do stuff like that, just because he is a dev of a game does not mean he is better than him. why do you guystreat people like gabe and the creator of team ninja, like there gods are somthing, there regular people jus like me and you. the owner could grow up to be somthing big, you never know.

i can stand out to be the biggest cow here on gs, but when you come out and say stuff like a dev>you, your just making an ass out of you and them

cut the bs out

[QUOTE="Brmarlin"]Of course he's going to say that...Mordred19

it's not like he said "360 sucks, PS3 rules all!"

he's being ambiguous, which is a good stance, and he's a guy who's confident in the game he's helping to build.

I know that. But it isn't surprising that the guy said that the next gen turning point is MGS4, which is of course, untrue.

[QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

TheOwnerOner

what was the lie? He stated his view of "next-gen gameplay" as of now. he's got a point. How many games are next gen in anything but shiny graphics?

360 software sales are monster. His statements are self promoting and biased.

That is great. He is talking about hardware sales which are poor.

He's right about the gameplay.Zhengi

He's right in theory, but I've yet to see clips of MGS4 off that show off this "true next-gen gameplay" that he seems to be referring to. The octosuit (or whatever it's called) is cool, but it's still basically just a glorified version of the camouflage feature in MGS3.

[QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

TheOwnerOner

what was the lie? He stated his view of "next-gen gameplay" as of now. he's got a point. How many games are next gen in anything but shiny graphics?

360 software sales are monster. His statements are self promoting and biased.

[QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"][QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

Kahuna_1

what was the lie? He stated his view of "next-gen gameplay" as of now. he's got a point. How many games are next gen in anything but shiny graphics?

360 software sales are monster. His statements are self promoting and biased.

That is great. He is talking about hardware sales which are poor.

360 hit 9 million on it's first year,

PS3 struggling to hit 5.

PS3 sales are poor, 360 is right on pace.

[QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

TheOwnerOner

what was the lie? He stated his view of "next-gen gameplay" as of now. he's got a point. How many games are next gen in anything but shiny graphics?

360 software sales are monster. His statements are self promoting and biased.

why did he say he was dissapointed in the sales of "next gen consoles" in general? he said he's dissapointed in sales for the 360 and the PS3. how is his comment one-sided if he expressed dissapointed in both?

as for your crude response to the other poster, was that some kind of knee-jerk reaction? very uncalled for.

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"][QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

TheOwnerOner

what was the lie? He stated his view of "next-gen gameplay" as of now. he's got a point. How many games are next gen in anything but shiny graphics?

360 software sales are monster. His statements are self promoting and biased.

That is great. He is talking about hardware sales which are poor.

360 hit 9 million on it's first year,

PS3 struggling to hit 5.

PS3 sales are poor, 360 is right on pace.

and 360 is struggling to sell 4 million on it's second year. That's a pretty big slowdown, especially considering that this is the 360's "golden age". PS3 on the other hand, can only get better from here.

He's right. The sales aren't great yet.

I think next year will be pretty good for Sony though - they will control hype from the release of MGSIV onwards (GT5, LBP, GTAIV, Killzone etc).

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"][QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

TheOwnerOner

what was the lie? He stated his view of "next-gen gameplay" as of now. he's got a point. How many games are next gen in anything but shiny graphics?

360 software sales are monster. His statements are self promoting and biased.

That is great. He is talking about hardware sales which are poor.

360 hit 9 million on it's first year,

PS3 struggling to hit 5.

PS3 sales are poor, 360 is right on pace.

360 sold roughly 4.5 million in Q4 of 06...and finished with about 8.5-9 by January...PS3 is at 5 million by end of October..should be at 8 million by January one..I also never said PS3 is selling well..they are both selling like crap, deal with it.

[QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"][QUOTE="Kahuna_1"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"][QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

Koalakommander

what was the lie? He stated his view of "next-gen gameplay" as of now. he's got a point. How many games are next gen in anything but shiny graphics?

360 software sales are monster. His statements are self promoting and biased.

That is great. He is talking about hardware sales which are poor.

360 hit 9 million on it's first year,

PS3 struggling to hit 5.

PS3 sales are poor, 360 is right on pace.

and 360 is struggling to sell 4 million on it's second year. That's a pretty big slowdown, especially considering that this is the 360's "golden age". PS3 on the other hand, can only get better from here.

2nd year aint over, wait till the holidays.

Sony is desperate for sales, releasing self promotion developers. lol,

We've heard this over and over again.

from PS3 desperate self promotion developers, scared because they know all their hard work dev a game for the PS3,

will turn over garbage.

We've heard this over and over again.

from PS3 desperate self promotion developers, scared because they know all their hard work dev a game for the PS3,

will turn over garbage.

TheOwnerOner

Your saying no one wants FF13, GT5, and MGS4?

[QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

We've heard this over and over again.

from PS3 desperate self promotion developers, scared because they know all their hard work dev a game for the PS3,

will turn over garbage.

Koalakommander

Your saying no one wants FF13, GT5, and MGS4?

Their gonna be good, but not worthy of these self promoting garbage statements.

MGS never has and ever will be a system seller, get over it.

No. Just no. Has MGS ever done anything for gaming before? No.meetroid8

It actually has a good storyline and characterization. (along with solid gameplay) Which is quite possibly the rarest thing in the gaming industry...........

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

We've heard this over and over again.

from PS3 desperate self promotion developers, scared because they know all their hard work dev a game for the PS3,

will turn over garbage.

TheOwnerOner

Your saying no one wants FF13, GT5, and MGS4?

Their gonna be good, but not worthy of these self promoting garbage statements.

MSG never has and ever will be a system seller, get over it.

you have proof of that?

Remember, PS3 will be a $400 console starting Nov 2nd. It will have a blue ray player, and has some of the most popular franchises in gaming coming to its system exclsuively in 2008-2009.

Whether you think these games will be good, or have any interest in them is irrevelent. But it is obvious that the PS3 will become a beast.

[QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

TheOwnerOner

what was the lie? He stated his view of "next-gen gameplay" as of now. he's got a point. How many games are next gen in anything but shiny graphics?

360 software sales are monster. His statements are self promoting and biased.

You want to know a Gen defining game?

Gears of War

&

Mass Effect

Sorry Ryan, your stealth game can't compare, in sales or Gen Defining

No. Just no. Has MGS ever done anything for gaming before? No.meetroid8

MGS1: established the idea of breaking the 4th wall in gamesand messing with gamers' perceptions of video games in general

MGS2: correct me if I'm wrong, but what other consolegame in 2001 had specific hit zone damage? you could shoot soldiers in arms, legs, the crotch, to disable them in different ways as needed. MGS2 featured a very immersive amount of enviormental interaction.

MGS3: delivered on epic boss battles, a respectable PS2-rendered jungle enviorment, and may not have been revolutionary, but had a refined gameplay formula over MGS2, resulting in a more accesible experience to newcomers.

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

We've heard this over and over again.

from PS3 desperate self promotion developers, scared because they know all their hard work dev a game for the PS3,

will turn over garbage.

TheOwnerOner

Your saying no one wants FF13, GT5, and MGS4?

Their gonna be good, but not worthy of these self promoting garbage statements.

MSG never has and ever will be a system seller, get over it.

i dont no what msg is but all i know is tghatr mgs4 will carry the ps3 al buy its self. its all about timeing here, when the game hits in march , with every one wit there income tax, and alot of people whating for a reason to get a ps3, at 399.99.

mgs2 was hit at a good time for the ps2, it was in a biiiiiig drought of games, and needed somthing quickly, this is teh same situation

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

We've heard this over and over again.

from PS3 desperate self promotion developers, scared because they know all their hard work dev a game for the PS3,

will turn over garbage.

TheOwnerOner

Your saying no one wants FF13, GT5, and MGS4?

Their gonna be good, but not worthy of these self promoting garbage statements.

MSG never has and ever will be a system seller, get over it.

yea MSG...never has.

MGS has though...MGS2 sold over 7 million...6th bes selling PS2 game, MGS3 has sold close to 4 million...its in top 15 best selling PS2 games....so I don't know what your talking about....

You want to know a Gen defining game?

Gears of War

&

Mass Effect

Sorry Ryan, stealth game can't compare, in sales or Gen Defining

TheOwnerOner

Gears of War...done last gen...called Kill.Switch...GeOW copied the concept and just made it better

Mass Effect....next-gen KOTOR... so no...

MGSIV...haven't seen enough to judge....

2nd year aint over, wait till the holidays.

Sony is desperate for sales, releasing self promotion developers. lol,

TheOwnerOner

Funny how you insult PS3 fanboys when they say just wait, now you are saying just wait for my favorite system to pick up its slow sales.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]No. Just no. Has MGS ever done anything for gaming before? No.redCloudJ7

It actually has a good storyline and characterization. (along with solid gameplay) Which is quite possibly the rarest thing in the gaming industry...........

Hey,

how about you make a game, we all play get to playand then Ryan make the statement.

anything before is just desperate moves for what will be a very bad turn over for Kojima Production.

We've heard this over and over again.

from PS3 desperate self promotion developers, scared because they know all their hard work dev a game for the PS3,

will turn over garbage.

TheOwnerOner

Type clearly, man. Do you take bashing this seriously?

Ninja Gingerbread Man Developer: I really think Ninja Gingerbread Man is going to help get people into "next-gen" gaming. It's the game that'll make people's heads' turn and think "Wow I really want the game for (Insert system name." People are having trouble laying down money for these expensive consoles, but I really think this will help convince them their purchase is justified.

Of course game developers were going to say this, they're trying to make their game sound really good. I'm not saying MGS4 is going to be bad, or the developers are stupid, on the contrary, I think both are great(I think MGS4 will be great). But developers say this stuff to convince people how great their game is. Remember Lair developers? I remember them telling us just how great their game was supposed to be.

[QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

TheOwnerOner

Ryan > You ...x50

You need to take Ryan's penis out of your mouth.

[QUOTE="redCloudJ7"]

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]No. Just no. Has MGS ever done anything for gaming before? No.meetroid8

It actually has a good storyline and characterization. (along with solid gameplay) Which is quite possibly the rarest thing in the gaming industry...........

ROFLMAO. No just no...most video games have absolutely atrocious storylines with absymal character development.

You can't even name ten games right now that meet that criteria.

No. Just no. Has MGS ever done anything for gaming before? No.meetroid8

:lol: oh my...

[QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"][QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

Someone slap him in the face

and tell him he dont have to lie to sell consoles.

neogeo419

Ryan > You ...x50

You need to take Ryan's penis out of your mouth.

he resorted to flaming in his second post of the thread. very smooth indeed.