Saints row 2, better then GTA?

just throwing this out there but I am about half way through GTA IV and I have noticed how many things it has taken from saints row.

dont get me wrong GTA has added a lot more but I cant shake the feeling that If saints row hadn't come out then the game would have been a lot worse. I also loved the create a player in saints row as it just felt a lot more personal tailoring my own creation (piercing, tattoos, watches, plastic surgery, etc) rather then pre-selected players that I cant understand sometimes

This leads me to think that saints row 2 may be better then GTA if they take all the new features of GTA and pile more on top.

no. saints row is made by people without imagination. they lack the talent that GTA4 devs have.

edit: imo

no. saints row is made by people without imagination. they lack the talent that GTA4 devs have.

edit: imo

Always-Honest

Waht about the insurance fraud missons? I dont think I have laughed so hard in quite a while.

Saint's Row will be lucky to sell in a year 1/2 of what GTAIV sold in in it's first week.

GTA dominates its genre. Anyone who dares to even try to compete gets shown the door.
0rin

rofl so true:lol:

It may help if you explain what GTA apparently took from it. I didn't play Saints Row much, only on a friends console so I'm quite interested to know.bobbetybob

1. sat nav

2. Bruice is a very similar to one of the main carictors of Saints row

(edit) 3. free aiming

there are more but I cant think of them at the moment, as I am at work!

But think, if Saints row hadn't of done the sat nav thing first then would we still be following a dot on the edge of the radar? Because that use to drive me round the bend.

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]It may help if you explain what GTA apparently took from it. I didn't play Saints Row much, only on a friends console so I'm quite interested to know.richest_boy

1. sat nav

2. Bruice is a very similar to one of the main carictors of Saints row

(edit) 3. free aiming

there are more but I cant think of them at the moment, as I am at work!

But think, if Saints row hadn't of done the sat nav thing first then would we still be following a dot on the edge of the radar? Because that use to drive me round the bend.

Saints Row was a bad game.

Saints Row was a bad game.

-TheSecondSign-

Since when is a AA 8.3 bad?

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]It may help if you explain what GTA apparently took from it. I didn't play Saints Row much, only on a friends console so I'm quite interested to know.richest_boy

1. sat nav

2. Bruice is a very similar to one of the main carictors of Saints row

(edit) 3. free aiming

there are more but I cant think of them at the moment, as I am at work!

But think, if Saints row hadn't of done the sat nav thing first then would we still be following a dot on the edge of the radar? Because that use to drive me round the bend.

Big deal, most of the characters from Saints Row are copies from GTA.

GPS was the only copy. That's one aspect out of how many SR copied?

Saint's Row will be lucky to sell in a year 1/2 of what GTAIV sold in in it's first week.

GTA dominates its genre. Anyone who dares to even try to compete gets shown the door.
0rin

Maybe not for much longer.

You must admit that they are very similar to play (apart from SR seems to be a lot shiner, lol)

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

Saints Row was a bad game.

Flexmaster_365

Since when is a AA 8.3 bad?

I don't agree with the score.
Is there a problem?

[QUOTE="richest_boy"]

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]It may help if you explain what GTA apparently took from it. I didn't play Saints Row much, only on a friends console so I'm quite interested to know.ithilgore2006

1. sat nav

2. Bruice is a very similar to one of the main carictors of Saints row

(edit) 3. free aiming

there are more but I cant think of them at the moment, as I am at work!

But think, if Saints row hadn't of done the sat nav thing first then would we still be following a dot on the edge of the radar? Because that use to drive me round the bend.

I wasnt saying SR invented free aiming Im just saying there are some things that SR brought to the table that are now in GTA

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"][QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

Saints Row was a bad game.

-TheSecondSign-

Since when is a AA 8.3 bad?

I don't agree with the score.
Is there a problem?

Yeah if you don't agree then say "I thought it was bad"...

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"][QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

Saints Row was a bad game.

-TheSecondSign-

Since when is a AA 8.3 bad?

I don't agree with the score.
Is there a problem?

no but it is your opinion and not fact as you stated

No, SR2 doesn't have a chance in hell of being even 1/4 of the game that GTA IV is.

The developers behind Saints Row (and many other GTA ripoffs in the genre) have no ****ing clue how to capture the awesome of a GTA game, and it shows pretty clearly. The way I see it, the first Saints Row was just not a good game in any way, shape or form. It was a somewhat serviceable, if pretty poor, mini-me of the GTA experience, nothing more, nothing less.

And do tell, what exactly did GTA 4 take from Saints Row?

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"][QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"][QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

Saints Row was a bad game.

richest_boy

Since when is a AA 8.3 bad?

I don't agree with the score.
Is there a problem?

no but it is your opinion and not fact as you stated

It's coming out of my mouth and it's my post.

Of course it's my opinion.

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]It may help if you explain what GTA apparently took from it. I didn't play Saints Row much, only on a friends console so I'm quite interested to know.richest_boy

1. sat nav

2. Bruice is a very similar to one of the main carictors of Saints row

(edit) 3. free aiming

there are more but I cant think of them at the moment, as I am at work!

But think, if Saints row hadn't of done the sat nav thing first then would we still be following a dot on the edge of the radar? Because that use to drive me round the bend.

dont forget about crashing through windshields. That was in saints row first, but there is no way it scores better than GTA IV. it may have more fun factor because all of the extra stuff they are adding in the 2nd one, but as a whole, GTA 4 will be better hands down. Im still getting the saints row 2 though. they are going in two different directions now. GTA is more "movie-like", so immersive, and i love that, but saints row 2 is just more over the top fun, not so immersive, which is good for quck plays, and fun with friends, but im sure the story will suck like the first one lol

having a central character in GTA IV means that you can have a proper fully fleged story relating to the character - adding a massive amount of depth to the game.

In Saints row you have full character customisations and squat all story.

saints row always seemed like "GTA for the dumb"

It's coming out of my mouth and it's my post.

Of course it's my opinion.

-TheSecondSign-

So what if its your post, saying "Saints Row is a bad game" makes its seem as though its a fact or that you have some factual evidence. Wheras saying "I think Saints Row was a bad game" means that its strictly your opinion.

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="richest_boy"]

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]It may help if you explain what GTA apparently took from it. I didn't play Saints Row much, only on a friends console so I'm quite interested to know.richest_boy

1. sat nav

2. Bruice is a very similar to one of the main carictors of Saints row

(edit) 3. free aiming

there are more but I cant think of them at the moment, as I am at work!

But think, if Saints row hadn't of done the sat nav thing first then would we still be following a dot on the edge of the radar? Because that use to drive me round the bend.

I wasnt saying SR invented free aiming Im just saying there are some things that SR brought to the table that are now in GTA

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

It's coming out of my mouth and it's my post.

Of course it's my opinion.

Flexmaster_365

So what if its your post, saying "Saints Row is a bad game" makes its seem as though its a fact or that you have some factual evidence. Wheras saying "I think Saints Row was a bad game" means that its strictly your opinion.

What the hell is with this phenomenon of people saying "IMO"?

The guy is of the opinion that Saints Row 1 is a bad game (as am I) and he said so.

Why would you think that statement is anything other than his opinion? :|

[QUOTE="richest_boy"][QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="richest_boy"]

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]It may help if you explain what GTA apparently took from it. I didn't play Saints Row much, only on a friends console so I'm quite interested to know.ithilgore2006

1. sat nav

2. Bruice is a very similar to one of the main carictors of Saints row

(edit) 3. free aiming

there are more but I cant think of them at the moment, as I am at work!

But think, if Saints row hadn't of done the sat nav thing first then would we still be following a dot on the edge of the radar? Because that use to drive me round the bend.

I wasnt saying SR invented free aiming Im just saying there are some things that SR brought to the table that are now in GTA

Remember there were multiple buttons for lock and to fire to accomidate the lock on system and using dual analouges.

having a central character in GTA IV means that you can have a proper fully fleged story relating to the character - adding a massive amount of depth to the game.

In Saints row you have full character customisations and squat all story.

skrat_01

It depends on the individual some gamers feel that having your own character adds more to the depth ala Oblivion. Wheras others like the Final Fantasy approach of having the chracters in place. Both have their upsides and downsides to certian gamers.

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="richest_boy"][QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="richest_boy"]

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]It may help if you explain what GTA apparently took from it. I didn't play Saints Row much, only on a friends console so I'm quite interested to know.skrat_01

1. sat nav

2. Bruice is a very similar to one of the main carictors of Saints row

(edit) 3. free aiming

there are more but I cant think of them at the moment, as I am at work!

But think, if Saints row hadn't of done the sat nav thing first then would we still be following a dot on the edge of the radar? Because that use to drive me round the bend.

I wasnt saying SR invented free aiming Im just saying there are some things that SR brought to the table that are now in GTA

Remember there were multiple buttons to lock and to fire to accomidate the lock on system and using dual analouges.

liberty city stories had it as well i have just remembered. soz, my bad

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

having a central character in GTA IV means that you can have a proper fully fleged story relating to the character - adding a massive amount of depth to the game.

In Saints row you have full character customisations and squat all story.

Flexmaster_365

It depends on the individual some gamers feel that having your own character adds more to the depth ala Oblivion. Wheras others like the Final Fantasy approach of having the chracters in place. Both have their upsides and downsides to certian gamers.

However GTA IV is heavily story and character driven, wheras a game like GTA 3 where the character is mute, and the story is almost non existant, you could easily accomidate customisation.

They do have their advantages and disadvantages, but most of the time story telling wise its much more effective having a set character, to help the story unfold in a traditional sense.

But yes you are right too no doubt, personalisation wise, each have their ups and downs.

[QUOTE="Flexmaster_365"][QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

It's coming out of my mouth and it's my post.

Of course it's my opinion.

jethrovegas

So what if its your post, saying "Saints Row is a bad game" makes its seem as though its a fact or that you have some factual evidence. Wheras saying "I think Saints Row was a bad game" means that its strictly your opinion.

What the hell is with this phenomenon of people saying "IMO"?

The guy is of the opinion that Saints Row 1 is a bad game (as am I) and he said so.

Why would you think that statement is anything other than his opinion? :|

On system wars most people belive that their opinion IS fact

just throwing this out there but I am about half way through GTA IV and I have noticed how many things it has taken from saints row.

dont get me wrong GTA has added a lot more but I cant shake the feeling that If saints row hadn't come out then the game would have been a lot worse. I also loved the create a player in saints row as it just felt a lot more personal tailoring my own creation (piercing, tattoos, watches, plastic surgery, etc) rather then pre-selected players that I cant understand sometimes

This leads me to think that saints row 2 may be better then GTA if they take all the new features of GTA and pile more on top.

richest_boy

On system wars most people belive that their opinion IS fact

richest_boy

What, so an opinion backed up by logical evidence is automatically irrelevant? I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.

You do realize that pretty much everything you think of as "fact" is just a well fleshed out opinion, right?

For instance, if you say Big Rigs is the best game ever, and I say you are wrong, and you say "how can an opinion be wrong", then I say "your opinion is wrong because of problems A, B and C, with Big Rigs", where does that leave us?

There is rarely an instance is which an opinion is absolutely 100% correct beyond a shadow of a doubt, but some opinions are more correct than others, because they are backed up by evidence.

I think people here are missing a MAJOR design point with the whole GTA IV v SR2 thing.

The developers of SR2 know they cannot directly compete with GTA IV. That is an impossiblity.

What they do know is they can design their game - like SR1 - in a totally different direction than GTA IV, even though its still a sandbox style game.

While GTA focuses delivering a deep eviroment, and a game that is heavility story driven, SR2 will probably be completely over the top, have no story (as its completely irrellivant - only an excuse to shoot stuff), and will set to do things that GTA IV doesent.

Pretty much how SR1 managed to suceed. Did things that GTA didnt, and had a different direction. If it was a simple clone its reception would have been poor.

[QUOTE="richest_boy"]

On system wars most people belive that their opinion IS fact

jethrovegas

What, so an opinion backed up by logical evidence is automatically irrelevant? I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.

You do realize that pretty much everything you think of as "fact" is just a well fleshed out opinion, right?

For instance, if you say Big Rigs is the best game ever, and I say you are wrong, and you say "how can an opinion be wrong", then I say "your opinion is wrong because of problems A, B and C, with Big Rigs", where does that leave us?

There is rarely an instance is which an opinion is absolutely 100% correct beyond a shadow of a doubt, but some opinions are more correct than others, because they are backed up by evidence.

bingo, but you didn't back up your post with facts or evidence.

I think people here are missing a MAJOR design point with the whole GTA IV v SR2 thing.

The developers of SR2 know they cannot directly compete with GTA IV. That is an impossiblity.

What they do know is they can design their game - like SR1 - in a totally different direction than GTA IV, even though its still a sandbox style game.

While GTA focuses delivering a deep eviroment, and a game that is heavility story driven, SR2 will probably be completely over the top, have no story (as its completely irrellivant - only an excuse to shoot stuff), and will set to do things that GTA IV doesent.

Pretty much how SR1 managed to suceed. Did things that GTA didnt, and had a different direction. If it was a simple clone its reception would have been poor.

skrat_01

I agree but GTA used to be a lot sillier than it is now (chasing a van droping beastality, projecting breasts onto a building via jumping motorbikes roof to roof) and I like saints row for the sillyness

bingo, but you didn't back up your post with facts or evidence.

richest_boy

I think this video starring Garey Busey should serve as evidence enough.

[QUOTE="richest_boy"]

bingo, but you didn't back up your post with facts or evidence.

jethrovegas

I think this video starring Garey Busey should serve as evidence enough.

Looks like fun. why would this video prove the staints row will be bad? (and I thought we were talking about your opinion on SR1?)

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"][QUOTE="richest_boy"]

bingo, but you didn't back up your post with facts or evidence.

richest_boy

I think this video starring Garey Busey should serve as evidence enough.

Looks like fun. why would this video prove the staints row will be bad? (and I thought we were talking about your opinion on SR1?)

The graphics suck ass, and Garey Busey (need I underline that name?) is the ****ing spokesman for the game. :|

How many more ill omens do you need holmes?

And the first Saints Row was lame for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which was the lame attempts at humor via stupid sex jokes, the retarded wankster characters, the pointless story, and the whole "disneyfied gangsta" tone that permeated the entire game as a whole, just to name a few issues.

[QUOTE="richest_boy"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"][QUOTE="richest_boy"]

bingo, but you didn't back up your post with facts or evidence.

jethrovegas

I think this video starring Garey Busey should serve as evidence enough.

Looks like fun. why would this video prove the staints row will be bad? (and I thought we were talking about your opinion on SR1?)

The graphics suck ass, and Garey Busey (need I underline that name?) is the ****ing spokesman for the game. :|

How many more ill omens do you need holmes?

And the first Saints Row was lame for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which was the lame attempts at humor via stupid sex jokes, the retarded wankster characters, the pointless story, and the whole "disneyfied gangsta" tone that permeated the entire game as a whole, just to name a few issues.

the graphics I am sure will get better as this is still a work in progress game. as for the rest of your opinion one mans bad pionts are another mans good pionts. I can say I really enjoyed SR as it was a silly take on GTA and some bits are still better (driving and shooting is a lot better in Saints Row IMO

GTA4 took less from Saints Row than Saints Row took from GTA.

Most of the things added in Saints Row were from complaints people have had about GTA for the last 5 years before Saints Row came out. It's not like Saints Row was being super original or anything, or innovative - they just listened to the masses.

The blue print was there - they just tweaked it.

First people say they play GTA not because of the story because of the all the cool ish you could do in an open world. Now they're saying that they don't like Saint's Row because it lacks story. Umm ok. GTA IV has one of the best dialogue, well thought out, well done story, so I don't expect Saint's Row 2 to have a story with that caliber. But I do expect doing some of the craziest ish that will make you laugh for days in Saint's Row 2. Saint's Row is all about going ballsout over the top type of gameplay. Can't wait to play it! Also people associate Saint's Row with the Xbox 360, so it would only be proper to get it for the 360.

just throwing this out there but I am about half way through GTA IV and I have noticed how many things it has taken from saints row.

dont get me wrong GTA has added a lot more but I cant shake the feeling that If saints row hadn't come out then the game would have been a lot worse. I also loved the create a player in saints row as it just felt a lot more personal tailoring my own creation (piercing, tattoos, watches, plastic surgery, etc) rather then pre-selected players that I cant understand sometimes

This leads me to think that saints row 2 may be better then GTA if they take all the new features of GTA and pile more on top.

richest_boy

haha....no, just no. if you go by that logic, then saints row would have been goty when it came out due to all the copying it would have done from gta, but instead it was massively average.

most likely it will be better(liek the 1st one), but reviews/fanboys will say that it copies gta or somethign and give ie a 6/10

but gta that copied gta deserves an 11/10

Doubt it, it will still be a good game though. Imo, the only sandbox game that gets props from me is crackdown. Heres to hoping crackdown 2 (if it comes out) will have propper missions...astiop

dude, yes, I loved crackdown and would still be playing it today had it not killed my save on an update. Also, Crackdown 2 could use an actual story to go with the awsome mayhem