Sales Arguments are Useless [When Debating Product Superiority]

 I feel this needs to be said in order to promote more useful topics on this great board.

Sales arguments are pointless, and quite frankly, I wish they got you suspended. Let me put this very simply:

-There are countless Chevy Cavaliers out there. There are very few Farraris out there. Which would you rather own?

People who make the claim "The 360 is better because it's sold 10+ million!", or "The PS3 is doing better because it is over the 3 million mark now", or "The Wii is the greatest because it's selling like hotcakes!", are hurting their case more than helping it. Sales do not translate into a euphoric user experience.

I'm not claiming the PS3 is better, I'm not claiming the 360 is worse, I'm not claiming Macs are better, and that PCs are worse. There is no opnion in this post at all. I'm simply stating that sales arguments are BAD arguments. Stick to ratings, stick to communities surrounding the games, and stick to personal experiencees with a strong factual base.

That is all.

Software sales are important, as they determine what kind of games developers will feel safe releasing on the console.Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Software sales are important, as they determine what kind of games developers will feel safe releasing on the console.musicalmac

How can you possibly determine the winner of a system war if you ignore sales?  :lol:OceanLeet

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Software sales are important, as they determine what kind of games developers will feel safe releasing on the console.musicalmac

[QUOTE="OceanLeet"]How can you possibly determine the winner of a system war if you ignore sales?  :lol:Jandurin

Ferraris aren't made for mass market. Most video game systems/software are. Thus, competition between the game systems is more direct, unlike your comparison of vehicles.WiiForAll

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Software sales are important, as they determine what kind of games developers will feel safe releasing on the console.musicalmac

Software and hardware sales are important, why do you think the PS2 had a superior line-up last generation? because it had more potential to make money on plain and simple.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="OceanLeet"]How can you possibly determine the winner of a system war if you ignore sales?  :lol:Tylendal

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Software sales are important, as they determine what kind of games developers will feel safe releasing on the console.Ontain

[QUOTE="OceanLeet"]How can you possibly determine the winner of a system war if you ignore sales? :lol:Jandurin

Then that would be an opinion and not a console war.  True though, that we all have our own little console wars going on in our minds.  ...kinda reminds me of that old N64 commercial where the dude is imagining armies of different colored N64 mideval warriors battling it out to determine which color N64 he should get.  lol.

I disagree.

How well a console sells always, always, translates almost directly with how many games are on a system.

And the more games you have on a system, the more GOOD games you have on a system. 

I disagree.

How well a console sells always, always, translates almost directly with how many games are on a system.

And the more games you have on a system, the more GOOD games you have on a system. 

Trading_Zoner

Unlike Cars, Consoles are all about the Software.

If you buy a console and your the only one, you can't expect much 3rd party support can you... The sales argument is a extention of the games argument. You have to have hardware sales before you get games.  

Unlike Cars, Consoles are all about the Software.

 

If you buy a console and your the only one, you can't expect much 3rd party support can you... The sales argument is a extention of the games argument. You have to have hardware sales before you get games.  

GundamGuy0

So, you're just saying that: Whether Crackdown had sold 1 or 1 million copies, it would play the same for that 1 or those 1 million that purchased it? Am I on the right track?Jandurin

System Wars isn't about user experience, it's about console success. It's a made-up battle between different consoles that are seen as being in competition. The only way we can objectively judge who's winning is by A.) System sales and B.) GS scores. Obviously these don't really tell the truth about which console is "better." But since this board is about a battle between rivals, we have to go with numbers, not opinions.WiiForAll

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

Unlike Cars, Consoles are all about the Software.

If you buy a console and your the only one, you can't expect much 3rd party support can you... The sales argument is a extention of the games argument. You have to have hardware sales before you get games.

musicalmac

[QUOTE="WiiForAll"]System Wars isn't about user experience, it's about console success. It's a made-up battle between different consoles that are seen as being in competition. The only way we can objectively judge who's winning is by A.) System sales and B.) GS scores. Obviously these don't really tell the truth about which console is "better." But since this board is about a battle between rivals, we have to go with numbers, not opinions.musicalmac

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]So, you're just saying that: Whether Crackdown had sold 1 or 1 million copies, it would play the same for that 1 or those 1 million that purchased it? Am I on the right track?Majatt

[QUOTE="WiiForAll"]System Wars isn't about user experience, it's about console success. It's a made-up battle between different consoles that are seen as being in competition. The only way we can objectively judge who's winning is by A.) System sales and B.) GS scores. Obviously these don't really tell the truth about which console is "better." But since this board is about a battle between rivals, we have to go with numbers, not opinions.musicalmac

I understand your frustration, but if you took two seconds to think about what you said, you would realize how stupid it sounds. Your assertion would only be true if the consoles weren't being sold anymore. But since that obviously isn't the case, there are still systems and games to be sold, lots more, and anything could happen. Also, no one said that a system's sales alone are what gives it the edge. There's also software and other factors to account for. No matter what you try to argue, sales matter.

[QUOTE="WiiForAll"]System Wars isn't about user experience, it's about console success. It's a made-up battle between different consoles that are seen as being in competition. The only way we can objectively judge who's winning is by A.) System sales and B.) GS scores. Obviously these don't really tell the truth about which console is "better." But since this board is about a battle between rivals, we have to go with numbers, not opinions.musicalmac

[QUOTE="Majatt"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]So, you're just saying that: Whether Crackdown had sold 1 or 1 million copies, it would play the same for that 1 or those 1 million that purchased it? Am I on the right track?musicalmac

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="WiiForAll"]System Wars isn't about user experience, it's about console success. It's a made-up battle between different consoles that are seen as being in competition. The only way we can objectively judge who's winning is by A.) System sales and B.) GS scores. Obviously these don't really tell the truth about which console is "better." But since this board is about a battle between rivals, we have to go with numbers, not opinions.Tylendal

I agree with the TC. Just because something sells well doesn't mean its better.

 Even in video games, where one console can get more support than another because of sales. Now more than ever games are going to be mostly multiplatform games, so in reality most people will all be playing the same games regardless of the console he or she owns.

 I know from personal experience that I enjoy my PSP a lot more than my DS, but which one sells better? The DS of course. 

[QUOTE="Majatt"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]So, you're just saying that: Whether Crackdown had sold 1 or 1 million copies, it would play the same for that 1 or those 1 million that purchased it? Am I on the right track?musicalmac

I agree with the TC. Just because something sells well doesn't mean its better.

 Even in video games, where one console can get more support than another because of sales. Now more than ever games are going to be mostly multiplatform games, so in reality most people will all be playing the same games regardless of the console he or she owns.

 I know from personal experience that I enjoy my PSP a lot more than my DS, but which one sells better? The DS of course. 

MgunHunter