Sales matter. They dont equal quality, but they matter.

Sales determines preference, popularity, where the market is spending their money and their focus. If people say thats not important then somethings wrong.

In the event of the fierce PS3/360 rivalry, I think its very important to note that most multiplats sell better on 360. Now im sure cows play down sales and say:

quantity /=/ quality

I play games, not sales

Offcourse......we all play games and we never admit that sales = quality. The point is merely that one system is more popular then the other in terms of where the market is heading.

And like it or not, that means something.

Not to me they don'tONLYDOD

then clearly ur not hardcore enough. real fanboys also do market analysis.

[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]Not to me they don't-General_Ram-

then clearly ur not hardcore enough. real fanboys also do market analysis.

so what kind of fanboy is Micahel Patcher?

Sales determines preference, popularity, where the market is spending their money and their focus. If people say thats not important then somethings wrong.

In the event of the fierce PS3/360 rivalry, I think its very important to note that most multiplats sell better on 360. Now im sure cows play down sales and say:

quantity /=/ quality

I play games, not sales

Offcourse......we all play games and we never admit that sales = quality. The point is merely that one system is more popular then the other in terms of where the market is heading.

And like it or not, that means something.

-General_Ram-

i dont get anything out of sales, so they dont matter to me, only fanbiys cared about this stuffDante2710

ur on a gaming forum....so surely ur gonna find people like that.

[QUOTE="-General_Ram-"]

[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]Not to me they don'tGiancar

then clearly ur not hardcore enough. real fanboys also do market analysis.

so what kind of fanboy is Micahel Patcher?

He said he was a sony man, most people know this. That doesn't mean he's biased. numbers are numbers.

They most likely didn't matter to you back when Ps3 was outselling the 360.SnakePS360Gamer

offcourse they amtter. I didnt forget when 360 was outselling PS3 in 05 and 06. Right now, 360 is still #2 worldwide. I dont care if they are gaining ground. They are still last.

[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]Not to me they don't-General_Ram-

then clearly ur not hardcore enough. real fanboys also do market analysis.

:cry: But I am hardcore!

[QUOTE="SnakePS360Gamer"]They most likely didn't matter to you back when Ps3 was outselling the 360.-General_Ram-

offcourse they amtter. I didnt forget when 360 was outselling PS3 in 05 and 06. Right now, 360 is still #2 worldwide. I dont care if they are gaining ground. They are still last.

[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]Not to me they don't-General_Ram-

then clearly ur not hardcore enough. real fanboys also do market analysis.

i won't argue that...lol

[QUOTE="-General_Ram-"]

[QUOTE="SnakePS360Gamer"]They most likely didn't matter to you back when Ps3 was outselling the 360.SnakePS360Gamer

offcourse they amtter. I didnt forget when 360 was outselling PS3 in 05 and 06. Right now, 360 is still #2 worldwide. I dont care if they are gaining ground. They are still last.

Ram is right that sales matter,the fact that he's biased and ignorant doesn't change that.

[QUOTE="SnakePS360Gamer"][QUOTE="-General_Ram-"]

[QUOTE="SnakePS360Gamer"]They most likely didn't matter to you back when Ps3 was outselling the 360.Koalakommander

offcourse they amtter. I didnt forget when 360 was outselling PS3 in 05 and 06. Right now, 360 is still #2 worldwide. I dont care if they are gaining ground. They are still last.

Ram is right that sales matter,the fact that he's biased and ignorant doesn't change that.

Of course sales matter. If wii didn't have sales to defend it's mediocre library then it would be a bigger flop than the Virtual boy.Kratos_OMEGA

How is its library mediocre? I find it quite decent. Just becaue it gets a lot of shovel ware doesn't somehow destroy the good games it already has.

Sales determines preference, popularity, where the market is spending their money and their focus. If people say thats not important then somethings wrong.

In the event of the fierce PS3/360 rivalry, I think its very important to note that most multiplats sell better on 360. Now im sure cows play down sales and say:

quantity /=/ quality

I play games, not sales

Offcourse......we all play games and we never admit that sales = quality. The point is merely that one system is more popular then the other in terms of where the market is heading.

And like it or not, that means something.

-General_Ram-

You're right, they do......DAMM YOU NINTENDOGS!!!!

Sales only matter to the company doing the selling, it doesn't matter to the consumer.

360 sells more not because of multiplats or game selection but because they're cheap as dirt, any kid with an allowance can afford one.

i dont get anything out of sales, so they dont matter to me, only fanbiys cared about this stuffDante2710

Systems that don't sell also don't sell software in great enough numbers to get equal dev support. They also tend to turn into expensive paperweights deep into gens as devs abandon them. So no, more than just fanboys should at least care a little bit about sales.

No they don't matter. The blockbuster hardcore games are still only to be found on 360/PS3/PC. It's not like Fallout 4 or MGS 5 are going to Wii. Shovelware sales, so Wii will simply get more shovelware, and that's it.GinoNYC

in case u didnt notice, im talking about the 360/PS3 war.

I think this generation is proof that they don't matter. Or something still has to happen...
It seems there is something else that determines support.
KungfuKitten

You may be right about sales mattering less this gen, but I don't think that proves that sales don't matter as much as it proves that this gen is unique.

[QUOTE="GinoNYC"]No they don't matter. The blockbuster hardcore games are still only to be found on 360/PS3/PC. It's not like Fallout 4 or MGS 5 are going to Wii. Shovelware sales, so Wii will simply get more shovelware, and that's it.-General_Ram-

in case u didnt notice, im talking about the 360/PS3 war.

then your clearly ignoring some huge variables.

This is the one argument that really makes me mad. When people say "I play games not sales" thats is almost total BS! GeoW 2 comes out this week and people who buy it don't care if it sells millions, but they really do. Lets say GeoW 1 sold 100k copies. You wouldn't be playing GeoW 2 this week, then you'd care. So they majority of the people who can't wait for RE5 can thank the people who bought RE4. So you may not realize it but when your sitting down playing MGS4 you ARE playing sales and how a game sells DOES benefit you.SexySasquatch11

ur right. Also if you playing a copy of a 5 million selling game.....you are essentially playing the sale.

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]I think this generation is proof that they don't matter. Or something still has to happen...
It seems there is something else that determines support.
dsmccracken

You may be right about sales mattering less this gen, but I don't think that proves that sales don't matter as much as it proves that this gen is unique.

lol@the ad hominums in this thread

since you guys can't disprove what he says is true you must attack him?

Preach on General.

[QUOTE="-General_Ram-"]

[QUOTE="GinoNYC"]No they don't matter. The blockbuster hardcore games are still only to be found on 360/PS3/PC. It's not like Fallout 4 or MGS 5 are going to Wii. Shovelware sales, so Wii will simply get more shovelware, and that's it.Koalakommander

in case u didnt notice, im talking about the 360/PS3 war.

then your clearly ignoring some huge variables.

Ssssssh. Don't mention those. X;

Im an analyst. Attach rate / Game Sales are the driving factor behind the 360s sucess. The game sales / attach rate are like a giant bowl of Honey.. everyone can only hold out so long before they wants a piece. Do we need a better example then Square Enix? System sales definately matter less then game sales. In the end, its game customers that developers are selling to, not unplayed consoles. Casuals are HIGHLY OVERATED!

Sales determines preference, popularity, where the market is spending their money and their focus. If people say thats not important then somethings wrong.

In the event of the fierce PS3/360 rivalry, I think its very important to note that most multiplats sell better on 360. Now im sure cows play down sales and say:

quantity /=/ quality

I play games, not sales

Offcourse......we all play games and we never admit that sales = quality. The point is merely that one system is more popular then the other in terms of where the market is heading.

And like it or not, that means something.

-General_Ram-

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]I think this generation is proof that they don't matter. Or something still has to happen...
It seems there is something else that determines support.
dark-warmachine

You may be right about sales mattering less this gen, but I don't think that proves that sales don't matter as much as it proves that this gen is unique.

In previous gens, the losing consoles usually experienced less dev support, the worst of which came at end of gen or even earlier (e.g. Dreamcast, Xbox). I don't think that the "losing" consoles (PS3, 360) are in danger of suffering that same fate, or at least not to the same extent. As a "for instance", I don't think that 360 is in any danger of all of it's game support just drying up in 4 years (which would be this time next year) as happened to it's predecessor... do you?