sales=potential for better 3rd party

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I'd link but Gamespot won't let me post when I do.

You don't need fanboy goggles to look at the Wii's library and be disappointed.Skittles_McGee

I think the potential is always there, and there have certainly been some great announcements and support so far.

Unfortunately, it looks like we're in the "Gen of the Multiplat" right now which isn't doing the Wii a lot of favors. Personally, as an old-time gamer, I remember the glory days of the NES, SMS, SNES and Genesis where consoles lived and died by their exclusives. You really needed to own all the systems to get the best of all the game back then.

That means nothing to a fanboy.

To a fanboy sales = bragging rights, saying mine is better then yours in the real world.

Every fanboy cares about sales, even those who downplay them.

Now the Wii is the "just wait" system.

2009 does look more promising for the Wii,but we're well over two years into it's life-cycle and many people would struggle to name more than a handful of high-quality 3rd party titles for the system.That's despite it selling at record levels ever since release.

The Wii is accused of having shovelware but so did the ps2 have tons of shovel ware. Especially JRPGs. Theres tons of those horrible things on the ps2. I see the shovelware argument mostly used my sony and MS fanboys. I dont own a wii nor am I a nintendo fanboy but I do recognize the wiis success. Its outsold both "next gen" systems. Thats saying alot.

The Wii is accused of having shovelware but so did the ps2 have tons of shovel ware. Especially JRPGs. Theres tons of those horrible things on the ps2. I see the shovelware argument mostly used my sony and MS fanboys. I dont own a wii nor am I a nintendo fanboy but I do recognize the wiis success. Its outsold both "next gen" systems. Thats saying alot.

wulfshelmut

:lol: potential. How long have sheep been playing the "just wait" card? 2 years now? When are these games coming, looking at the 09 lineup it doesnt look

much better than the paltry 08 lineup. Only second rate devs are making second rate games for the wii.

• rainbow studios- deadly creatures
• high voltage studios- the conduit
• deep silver- cursed mountan

More support is nice, but it seems that many upon many publishers don't see hardcore games a part of the Wii market. It's been told numerous times already from some devs who are having hard to get their games like the game Winter from N-space which won't be released yet because publishers don't see it as a good thing for the market cause there's no hardcore market, Conduit struggled with this. Something tells me there were many other games too..yoshi_64

That is the dead elephant in the room everyone is ignoring. The sole problem here is publishers. Publishers won't release traditional games for the wii because they feel there is no market for traditional games because no publishers are releasing traditional games for the wii.

The people who decide what games get made, and what games don't are PR departments, marketing departments, and bean counters. None of these people know anything about games.

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]More support is nice, but it seems that many upon many publishers don't see hardcore games a part of the Wii market. It's been told numerous times already from some devs who are having hard to get their games like the game Winter from N-space which won't be released yet because publishers don't see it as a good thing for the market cause there's no hardcore market, Conduit struggled with this. Something tells me there were many other games too..goblaa

That is the dead elephant in the room everyone is ignoring. The sole problem here is publishers. Publishers won't release traditional games for the wii because they feel there is no market for traditional games because no publishers are releasing traditional games for the wii.

The people who decide what games get made, and what games don't are PR departments, marketing departments, and bean counters. None of these people know anything about games.

Yes that's true, and it sucks. It's an unfortunate fact. I agree that that is part of the problem with Wii's library.

BUT Nintendo could be creating more development studios to bring us those kinds of games themselves, with all the mountains of money that they are making since they basically are the only ones doing really big numbers on their two platforms.

It seems they would rather put their money into marketing the few casual games that they have been making.

If they want to please us they should make more games like zelda and super mario etc. with all that money.

And yet the Wii gets the shaft anytime a company like Capcom wants to release their next big multiplatform title like RE5 and gets a shoddy port of a three-year old game instead.foxhound_fox

And yet the Wii gets the shaft anytime a company like Capcom wants to release their next big multiplatform title like RE5 and gets a shoddy port of a three-year old game instead.foxhound_fox

RE5 started development WAYYYYY before the wii was even known about...let alone its success.

RE5 started development WAYYYYY before the wii was even known about...let alone its success. goblaa

[QUOTE="goblaa"]RE5 started development WAYYYYY before the wii was even known about...let alone its success. foxhound_fox

What resources? The resident evil team (and alot of others) are all being used on RE5

Capcom wont outsource a main entry of their flagship franchise just like that

What resources? The resident evil team (and alot of others) are all being used on RE5

Capcom wont outsource a main entry of their flagship franchise just like that

Grinning_Demon

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]And yet the Wii gets the shaft anytime a company like Capcom wants to release their next big multiplatform title like RE5 and gets a shoddy port of a three-year old game instead.goblaa

RE5 started development WAYYYYY before the wii was even known about...let alone its success.

Well if ps2 could get re4 then wii should get a, horribly gimped, version of re5 right?

Really, they've had plenty of time to react to Wiis success and hire some cheap dev. to do a sloppy port for Wii at least.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="goblaa"]RE5 started development WAYYYYY before the wii was even known about...let alone its success. Grinning_Demon

What resources? The resident evil team (and alot of others) are all being used on RE5

Capcom wont outsource a main entry of their flagship franchise just like that

The resources that the Wii version would make if it were developed. That's how things work.

You know at least half a million are going to buy it even if it were a half-assed super-downgraded port.

I wouldn't be surprised if capcom actually did this after chop 'till the one zombie is dead.

Given Chop Till You Drop, I would have thought capitalizing on the Wii's install base would have been top priority for such an important and mass-appeal game in the series. foxhound_fox

RE5 had 300 people on it once so it could be finished in time, and as far as i know CtyD wasnt outsourced, the lack of available resources resulted in a safer project with a smaller team. The thing is, DR actually works in my favour, that game is a filler, something they made as soon as possible to capitalize on RE4Wii's success, and since the RE5/SFIV/MH trains where already at full steam this is what they ended up with. Companies dont say no to money, if there isnt a RE5 on the Wii its because they currently dont have the manpower to pull it off (and i'm not just pulling this out of my a**, i'm a member of Capcom Unity, i make Sven's life miserable for DR)

Here I thought game companies were about making money regardless of the quality they deliver.

The 360 and PS3 get Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Devil May Cry 4, Resident Evil 5, Street Fighter IV and Bionic Commando while the Wii gets ports of Okami, RE4, RE0 and a ****ty version of Dead Rising.foxhound_fox

And Monster Hunter 3, that you so conviniently forgot.

Like i said, all those trains left the station before the Wii came along, and you cant stop a train once its starts rolling (well MH3 on PS3 did lol)

You know at least half a million are going to buy it even if it were a half-assed super-downgraded port.

I wouldn't be surprised if capcom actually did this after chop 'till the one zombie is dead.

Heydanbud92

The resources i speak are manpower, not money. Capcom cant make RE5Wiis out of thin air, if they knew the Wii would be such a success and RE4Wii would end up selling more then 1.6 million games they would rethink their strategy, you can bet on that.

Like i said, all those trains left the station before the Wii came along, and you cant stop a train once its starts rolling (well MH3 on PS3 did lol)Grinning_Demon

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Given Chop Till You Drop, I would have thought capitalizing on the Wii's install base would have been top priority for such an important and mass-appeal game in the series. Grinning_Demon

RE5 had 300 people on it once so it could be finished in time, and as far as i know CtyD wasnt outsourced, the lack of available resources resulted in a safer project with a smaller team. The thing is, DR actually works in my favour, that game is a filler, something they made as soon as possible to capitalize on RE4Wii's success, and since the RE5/SFIV/MH trains where already at full steam this is what they ended up with. Companies dont say no to money, if there isnt a RE5 on the Wii its because they currently dont have the manpower to pull it off (and i'm not just pulling this out of my a**, i'm a member of Capcom Unity, i make Sven's life miserable for DR)

Here I thought game companies were about making money regardless of the quality they deliver.

The 360 and PS3 get Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Devil May Cry 4, Resident Evil 5, Street Fighter IV and Bionic Commando while the Wii gets ports of Okami, RE4, RE0 and a ****ty version of Dead Rising.foxhound_fox

And Monster Hunter 3, that you so conviniently forgot.

Like i said, all those trains left the station before the Wii came along, and you cant stop a train once its starts rolling (well MH3 on PS3 did lol)

if re5 has 300 people working on it....don't you think capcom could hire 20 more people to do a downgraded port for Wii? Especially as it would make a profit, like you said they won't say no to money.

and the MH series is popular yeah, but they are not great games i'm sorry it's not something to be that proud of IMO, unless you just want games that sell well and don't care if they are considered mediocre or not. and if you don't care about scores then that's good for you (it really is) but this is SW.

[QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]You know at least half a million are going to buy it even if it were a half-assed super-downgraded port.

I wouldn't be surprised if capcom actually did this after chop 'till the one zombie is dead.

Grinning_Demon

The resources i speak are manpower, not money. Capcom cant make RE5Wiis out of thin air, if they knew the Wii would be such a success and RE4Wii would end up selling more then 1.6 million games they would rethink their strategy, you can bet on that.

it's the same thing as far as capcoms descision makers are concerned. You hire poeple WITH MONEY to make your games.

Sales of a console does have a correlation to its 3rd party support. However the support doesn't neccessarily result in quality games. The devs will just see a business opportunity and make a quantity of games for it. Everyone knows the wii isn't giving us any quality games, not lately at least.PSdual_wielder

Exactly, and maybe 3rd party devs. will make ports of ps360 games for Wii. But ithought that's not what sheep wanted? Maybe they do? Ah who knows.

The train will always "have left the station" until the Wii is replaced it seems. There is absolutely NOTHING stopping these developers from changing direction of what platforms they are produced on mid-development. foxhound_fox

That is a terrible excuse for the Wii not getting all the third-party titles the PS3 and 360 get.foxhound_fox

I forgot Monster Hunter 3 because I have hardly heard anyone but Wii fanatics hype it.foxhound_fox

if re5 has 300 people working on it....don't you think capcom could hire 20 more people to do a downgraded port for Wii? Heydanbud92

I want to live in your world where a team of 20 can pull of a port of a main entry of a big franshise without making it look worse than RE4.

and the MH series is popular yeah, but they are not great games i'm sorry it's not something to be that proud of IMO, unless you just want games that sell well and don't care if they are considered mediocre or not. and if you don't care about scores then that's good for you (it really is) but this is SW. Heydanbud92

And heeere come the personal opinions. I think Bionic Comando is crap, Lost Planet is an average POS TPS and DMC is laughable atempt to capture the American JpPop-obcessed teen crowd with stupid characters...now tell me how this adds anything to a discussion about big projects and the reason how they are distributed the way they are?

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] The train will always "have left the station" until the Wii is replaced it seems. There is absolutely NOTHING stopping these developers from changing direction of what platforms they are produced on mid-development. Grinning_Demon

That is a terrible excuse for the Wii not getting all the third-party titles the PS3 and 360 get.foxhound_fox

I forgot Monster Hunter 3 because I have hardly heard anyone but Wii fanatics hype it.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]if re5 has 300 people working on it....don't you think capcom could hire 20 more people to do a downgraded port for Wii? Grinning_Demon

I want to live in your world where a team of 20 can pull of a port of a main entry of a big franshise without making it look worse than RE4.

and the MH series is popular yeah, but they are not great games i'm sorry it's not something to be that proud of IMO, unless you just want games that sell well and don't care if they are considered mediocre or not. and if you don't care about scores then that's good for you (it really is) but this is SW. Heydanbud92

And heeere come the personal opinions. I think Bionic Comando is crap, Lost Planet is an average POS TPS and DMC is laughable atempt to capture the American JpPop-obcessed teen crowd with stupid characters...now tell me how this adds anything to a discussion about big projects and the reason how they are distributed the way they are?

20 people is PLENTY for a port, are you kidding? Even if it were 100 people they would still make profit.

What it adds is that you are the odd one out. And the new bionic commando is not out yet. I've tried the MH games and I formulated my opinion based on that. Lost planet is average, yeah so what who talks about that game? I bet you would if it came to Wii. It's a "big, expensive"game after all. And DMC is considered one of the best action franchises....and it's also "big and expensive" so IDK why you wouldn't want it on Wii. Oh, right because you are a hypocrite.

This thread is about "better 3rd party support". We as gamers care if a game is, in our opinion, good or worthy. Or we should. Apparently you only care if it's "big, require alot of manpower and are expensive to produce" That's sad. I guess fanboys will take whatever they can get when they get desperate.
Heydanbud92

If you wanted to join the discussion you could'v at least take the time to see where it started and whats it about cuz you are clearly lost. Your picking up stuff i posted and replying to it out of context.

I don't ever understand your point on this part??? foxhound_fox

I would be amazed if you did. See the above answer why.

1 Wow. Did you read his post??? He suggested that Re5 as it is now could have been CANCELLED (ya know) and then moved to wii.

2 or at least ported what they have done already on Re5 to Wii.Heydanbud92

1- Cancel a project that was already at full speed when RE4Wii hit the market, a multiplatform project where millions of dollars where already spent and deals with two major companies where already signed? Yeah seems reasonable.

2- I am clearly wrong. The most obvious reason is that Capcom wont do RE5 for the Wii for teh lulz: Seems more likely than saying they cant do such a big project with so little people half way through RE5 HD development without making it look worse than its predecessor, thats crazy talk

Lost planet is average, yeah so what who talks about that game? I bet you would if it came to Wii. It's a "big, expensive"game after all. And DMC is considered one of the best action franchises....and it's also "big and expensive" so IDK why you wouldn't want it on Wii. Oh, right because you are a hypocrite.

Heydanbud92