Screw EGM

Lair is being pushed back to September. Probably because of EGM's review getting so much coverage.

www.joystiq.com/2007/08/01/lair-not-done-delayed-until-september-4/

Though originally confirmed to be complete and on track for an August 14 launch, SCEA Associate Producer Ryan Hamlyn has posted on the official PlayStation blog that Lair is being delayed until September 4 due "to enhance the community features in the game."

I saw a GamePro and Play magazine review. Where is EGM?

And if a title is pushed back to make it better, is that really a bad thing?

EGM complains about the controls and sense of direction in the game. This spurs Factor 5 to delay the game so that they can... fix leaderboards? I just don't see the connection.Hoffgod

People are assuming that they are going to come outright and say "we are going to add analog controls" when no one has seen the final copy, they can just say "It was ALWAYS our plan to add Analog controls".

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]EGM complains about the controls and sense of direction in the game. This spurs Factor 5 to delay the game so that they can... fix leaderboards? I just don't see the connection.Kinitari

People are assuming that they are going to come outright and say "we are going to add analog controls" when no one has seen the final copy, they can just say "It was ALWAYS our plan to add Analog controls".

That would be noticible, and what harm would it do for the developers to say they were adding more controls? Its not like they are saying the game is terrible, they are making the game more accessible, which is a good thing.

If it was control issues, I think that they would say that.

EGM are just a bunch of boons they only love to spam the X buttom....legalize3

You cannot stand anything negative about the PS3, even if its the truth, can you?

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]EGM complains about the controls and sense of direction in the game. This spurs Factor 5 to delay the game so that they can... fix leaderboards? I just don't see the connection.Kinitari

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]EGM complains about the controls and sense of direction in the game. This spurs Factor 5 to delay the game so that they can... fix leaderboards? I just don't see the connection.Kinitari

People are assuming that they are going to come outright and say "we are going to add analog controls" when no one has seen the final copy, they can just say "It was ALWAYS our plan to add Analog controls".

Exactly. They're likely delaying it almost solely to work on the controls (like adding a much-needed analog scheme), after the poor reviews, but they're not going to admit that because it would just give the negative reviews more validation. And they'd basically be admitting they screwed up. Think about it, delaying a game because the online leaderboards aren't up to snuff? Something that can probably be easily fixed in a patch? What developer has ever delayed a much-hyped game's release for something so trivial?

ya..must be all the bad review lately..they decided to rework on the controls....joeychew

no, just leaderboard functions.

[QUOTE="Kinitari"]

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]EGM complains about the controls and sense of direction in the game. This spurs Factor 5 to delay the game so that they can... fix leaderboards? I just don't see the connection.Zeliard9

People are assuming that they are going to come outright and say "we are going to add analog controls" when no one has seen the final copy, they can just say "It was ALWAYS our plan to add Analog controls".

Exactly. They're likely delaying it almost solely to work on the controls (like adding a much-needed analog scheme), after the poor reviews, but they're not going to admit that because it would just give the negative reviews more validation. And they'd basically be admitting they screwed up. Think about it, delaying a game because the online leaderboards aren't up to snuff? Something that can probably be easily fixed in a patch? What developer has ever delayed a much-hyped game's release for something so trivial?

And remember this is sony we're talking about. They've proven their willingness to lie even when they can easily be called out. We can add this one to their long list of lies.

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="Kinitari"]

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]EGM complains about the controls and sense of direction in the game. This spurs Factor 5 to delay the game so that they can... fix leaderboards? I just don't see the connection.mikasa

People are assuming that they are going to come outright and say "we are going to add analog controls" when no one has seen the final copy, they can just say "It was ALWAYS our plan to add Analog controls".

Exactly. They're likely delaying it almost solely to work on the controls (like adding a much-needed analog scheme), after the poor reviews, but they're not going to admit that because it would just give the negative reviews more validation. And they'd basically be admitting they screwed up. Think about it, delaying a game because the online leaderboards aren't up to snuff? Something that can probably be easily fixed in a patch? What developer has ever delayed a much-hyped game's release for something so trivial?

And remember this is sony we're talking about. They've proven their willingness to lie even when they can easily be called out. We can add this one to their long list of lies.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="Kinitari"]

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]EGM complains about the controls and sense of direction in the game. This spurs Factor 5 to delay the game so that they can... fix leaderboards? I just don't see the connection.Kinitari

People are assuming that they are going to come outright and say "we are going to add analog controls" when no one has seen the final copy, they can just say "It was ALWAYS our plan to add Analog controls".

Exactly. They're likely delaying it almost solely to work on the controls (like adding a much-needed analog scheme), after the poor reviews, but they're not going to admit that because it would just give the negative reviews more validation. And they'd basically be admitting they screwed up. Think about it, delaying a game because the online leaderboards aren't up to snuff? Something that can probably be easily fixed in a patch? What developer has ever delayed a much-hyped game's release for something so trivial?

And remember this is sony we're talking about. They've proven their willingness to lie even when they can easily be called out. We can add this one to their long list of lies.

Well I love to point out that you're wrong...just read what was posted.

SCEA Associate Producer Ryan Hamlyn has posted on the official PlayStation blog that Lair is being delayed until September 4 due "to enhance the community features in the game."

SCEA = Sony

[QUOTE="joeychew"]ya..must be all the bad review lately..they decided to rework on the controls....furtherfan

no, just leaderboard functions.

When the sole complaint in every one of the few negative reviews released was regarding controls? I don't think so. That was just a measly cover-up so they could work on the controls.

With all the bad reviews I was just waiting for the Sony fanboys to wheel out the old line; "Well... I was never that bothered with Lair anyway.... knew it was going to be rubbish"TTDog

New we'll be treated to this rubbish though. "Lair is going to own. they fixed the only weak thing about it...the controls. Now it's gong to be AAA if not AAAA."

And then if it gets AA or less after release, we get the treat of them saying..."We knew the game was going to be rubbish."

At first I thought it was to add a rumble feature. IGN announced yesterday that sony shipped some rumble controllers prototype to their develloppers. But it seems it is not. Some more online features isn't a bad thing for me. It'll probably add some lasting time to the game. (the time to get all those medals...) And what if those MEDALS were some of the "Home" trophys? Didn't you think about that? 2 smalls weeks for a better game, that's sounds OK to me.

Also, Ireally don't think those controls are that bad, they'll leave em as they are.I think it just needs more time to get good with em. Let's wait andsee.Only gamespot's review will tell us if the controls are that bad.

mikasa seems to know that lair will flop. maybe hes writing the gs review. or, maybe, he KNOWS what the review will be. yes thats it. mikasa is a savior from the future, trying to stop cows from owning themselves. thank you mikasa. thank you for delivering us.

how about you just wait for the game. if it gets aa or better you are going to be owned by ever cow on this site.

screw EGM? I know who should be screwed - but I'll keep quiet as flaming the TC is against the TOS, flaming anyone for that matter.

what's so wrong with it being delayed to fix something that many of us would have hated? I personally hate the sixaxis tilt and am really happy they're taking the time to add in normal flight controls (hopefully that's what they're doing, if not I won't be buying this).

not our fault the Lair dev is a stupid hippy that's trying to keep in tilt controls because his wifes grandmother could pick it up and play it *truth, check out their boards and interviews* --- tip to Lair devs, the PS3 ain't the Wii and NOBODY is gonna go picking up your dragon game with the gusto that the Wii has.

So swallow your freaking mental self-important pride and make the game play well to the people that matter and forgot about the Wii - Sony did enough by ripping off tilt when it isn't needed (and doesn't make sense on a normal controller - see old MS controllers from the 90s that failed).

it's stupid to not give people to option - but i guess that's what Sony is about these days, limiting your choices and forcing hardware on you.

rant aside I really hope this extra time makes this game better.

I feel like this game is going to be delayed

mikasa seems to know that lair will flop. maybe hes writing the gs review. or, maybe, he KNOWS what the review will be. yes thats it. mikasa is a savior from the future, trying to stop cows from owning themselves. thank you mikasa. thank you for delivering us.

how about you just wait for the game. if it gets aa or better you are going to be owned by ever cow on this site.

p2rus

Huh? I thought it would get AAA Before the reviews started rolling in. And now there's hope for it to get AAA again (asuming they fix the controls).