Seems Series S will hold back X

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Not looking good, all is explained in the tweets. Seems the Series S is Ill equipped for next gen.

If only Sony was releasing a next gen console this year so cows would have something of their own to talk about :(

Xbox thread

Will people stop sourcing tweets. No one cares! 🤬

@i_p_daily: just delivering what devs are talking about sir. There's plenty of positive Xbox threads for you.

....and yet a little way into the conversation he agrees with this statement; it's just a little more work.

No, you're so starved for ANY PS5 news that you're sitting there twiddling your thumbs thinking about what to do, and instead of gaming on the PS4 you bought, you'd rather create threads on here talking about Xbox.

A truer meme has never been created

@Sagemode87: lol....live by Twitter, die by Twitter.

First thing he does is complain about the slight difference in CPU. Lost all his credit at that point.

When I buy Football Manager for the PC then I see the minimum and recommended specs for running the game. This must certainly mean that the whole game has to written with the minimum specs in mind.

With PS5 games they can code the game with PS5 specs in mind - they do not have to worry about the PS4 specs. With Series X games they have to code it to run on the Series S as well. This will surely affect what is possible to be run on both consoles.

Will we, in the future, see some games only available on the Series X or will their games be hampered by having to meet the Series S limits with only resolution/stability increases on the X? Is there a possibility you could see different gameplay and levels on an X version of the game?

If i was a lem, i'd be so worried right now. Not only is the Series S dragging you down, but you have those two leeches known as the Xbone and XboneX that are sucking you dry. Maybe start a petition to cut them off? Just a suggestion. Only trying to help.

@jcafcwbb: No. You're misunderstanding how games are scaled over pc. The minimum recommended specs on pc games are just the lowest combination that the game has been run on.....it's not as if the dev has coded the game for pcs with min specs and then all the way up to max specs.

There isn't a Series S Dev kit. Games are developed for series X, and then it's just a case of scaling for series s.

From what Jason Ronald said in the reveal it is a case of the tech just scaling accordingly to what system you own.

But surely a higher minimum spec will allow you to do more with the game?

I saw a video where they said that one reason for windy levels and areas that hide loading screens is due to the HDD over the SSD. The SSD on the new consoles will allow different level designs as the assets can load quicker. That will surely affect the games that can be made be on the new consoles.

At the moment PCs are largely HDD but SSD will become the norm as time goes by. Doesn't the fact that PCs have to take into consideration the HDD gamers also affect the level design of the games?

@jcafcwbb: Not really....pcs with ssd's still have windy levels and areas that hide loading, they're just shorter. Ratchet and clank has shorter tunnels.....but they're still there.

On consoles - specifically next gen consoles - that issue isn't a thing, as they all have ssd's. The only difference between series X and series S versions of games will be the graphics. Resolutions, textures and draw distance will be roughly 4x less on S....meaning 1080 - 1440p instead of 4k on X. Frame rates will be the same because processing is the same on both.

@sealionact: But theoretically the extra horsepower the X has over the S could be used on gameplay and AI rather than resolution. You could code better enemy AI with that.

What a console could do is limited by how much data it can process. X can process more data than the S and you could use that for things other than 4k or even 8k. You could write a tighter game with the extra data that can be pushed through the processors.

I don't know how to post pictures from my phone but here's someone from Remedy complaining about the Series S... https://mobile.twitter.com/xC4RM1N3x/status/1303578393619894272

This guy doesn't even have next-gen dev kits based on what he says here.

Everyone knew this already.

@Sagemode87 better to be held back from the series s, than the base xboxone

and learn to use links dude

You have to be dumb as a rock to think that, lol. Have you ever seen a PC game? The only major difference in S vs. X is the GPU power, so all you have to do is just lower the resolution and a couple expensive settings to play the same game.

@jcafcwbb: AI is done on the CPU. The Series X CPU is 1.02x faster. Which is negligible. I have yet to see a game design that is dependent on faster GPUs.

Games will be developed for the Series X and scaled back for the Series S. Dropping the resolution and some particles etc. will be the solution to getting a game to run on the Series S. They have the same cpu so scaling between the two shouldn't be that bad. I'm not even getting one of these consoles. I just don't understand the hate giving a lower spec option based on the same architecture is getting. It's not aiming for 4k, it'll be a 1080-1440p machine as a lot of people aren't on 4k yet.

Seriously.

@sealionact: I've seen a few people say there's no S dev kit - source?

You can't just say "they scale it down" - MS has a performance target for the S and they have to test it and surely tweak some things. So either there is an S dev kit or - more likely - the X dev kit doubles as an S dev kit through a resource lock. They need to try these things if they want a consistent experience, because they can't leave it up to the end user to tweak settings like they would on PC

there is more 4k tv out there than you think. this is why sony and xbox had to have mid gen upgrades because 4k became main stream now.

heck you can buy one in the 100 range in price.

Meh. I’m sceptical about the Xbox Series S “holding games back”. I think that where there’s a will there will be a way. We’ll see though I guess. 🤷‍♂️

@sealionact said:

....and yet a little way into the conversation he agrees with this statement; it's just a little more work.

We have several developer saying the same,we also say the same because MS was still making its games cross gen,and Halo came out looking quite pathetic and sad and was even delay for it.

For real after you lemmings have even pretend that 100mhz on the series X will have an impact in frames?

You people are totally lol worthy and your arguments are all over the place.

Bah who is remedy those unknown people am i rigth.

Lol they have pretty much the same cpu. How the heck is the series S going to hold back the series X? Drop resolution from 4K to 1080p. Done.

@sealionact said:

@Sagemode87 said:

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Not looking good, all is explained in the tweets. Seems the Series S is Ill equipped for next gen.

....and yet a little way into the conversation he agrees with this statement; it's just a little more work.

Annnnddddd with that the TCs thread has been rekted. Welp that lasted all of a 3 post. Cows will never learn

Of course it's gonna hold the X back. Just like consoles holding PC

I think we can all agree that sourcing anything from the cesspool of Twitter needs to stop.

@kingtito said:

@sealionact said:

@Sagemode87 said:

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Not looking good, all is explained in the tweets. Seems the Series S is Ill equipped for next gen.

....and yet a little way into the conversation he agrees with this statement; it's just a little more work.

Annnnddddd with that the TCs thread has been rekted. Welp that lasted all of a 3 post. Cows will never learn

how has TC's thread been rektd exactly kingtit? A developer said the series s encourages you to "de-scope" the game a bit.

Do you understand what this means? It means their creative vision for the final product is held back in order to include a shittier xbone. Give your green head a shake man you're living in la la land.

@phlop_spencer: It's in black and white quack. Learn to read?

Response thread

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/developer-weighs-in-on-how-much-series-s-will-hold-33505464/