Serious, Wii Music - Utterly Pointless

I'm going to keep this as concise as possible because I've noticed lately a fear of large posts in System Wars...

Im' not a fanboy, I own all 3 consoles, usual non-fanboy disclaimer ramble.

Anyway, can someone SERIOUSLY explain exactly what is remotely half-decent about wii music? Wii sports hit such a spot with gamers because motion sensitivity and casual sports games had never come together, and definitely not in such an accessible and immediate manner.

However, peripherals and music games, they've been around plenty-long! What's more, Wii music is massively behind it's already fairly dated competiion in three major areas:

1) THE MUSIC - Talk about disappointing - simple, limited tunes which sound almost midi-esque in quality. This is NOT the licensed, high quality music which can appear sporadically (or even frequently, depending on your taste) in titles such as guitar hero, rock band etc. Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE orchestrated music as much as anybody, particularly orchestrated videogame music, I think some of the works of the likes of Uematsu and other videogame composers are some of the finest pieces of music I've ever listened to, but seriously, the quality of the audio they demonstrated at E3 was shockingly poor. Yes, it's work in progress, yes it can be to do with the skills of the players, but even so, it was laboured, poor-quality noise in my opinion. And yes, Im' aware it was a mario piece, I'm not attacking that fine, cheery piece of music, but rather it's iteration in wii music and the choice/quality of music they are opting for this game.

2) THE PERIPHERALS - Yes, wii sports was great because of motion sensing and the like. But guess what? I can't see the wii-mote being more alike an instrument than the ones found in games like guitar hero, rock band etc. It's a general, non-specific point, that the wii-mote is about as much like a guitar as a soddin collinder. I know, there's instruments like flutes and drumsticks and what-not, but generally the public have very favourably and commercially reacted to accessories for music games that are actually like the instruments themselves. Nintendo have just gone 'lets move the wii casual behemoth down into this market and make it second-rate but cheap so everyone will think it's amazing'. Seriously, for the first time Nintendo have moved into an area of the market where their peripherals are below the standard expected and used.

3) ACCESSIBILITY - For wii sports and the like, the wiimote was the best type of accessory avaialble for it. For music games, I seriously think they've dropped their game. I also can't see how the motions and the like I saw displayed at e3 are easier and more accessible than the tried, tested and loved colour coding of guitar hero or any rock band equivalent.

I hope Wii music fails... hard. That may sound unnecessarily harsh but with Wii Sports we had strong evolution and a fair bit of innovation (not as much as hyped but still). Wii fit was a bit predictable and yet another accessory but still was an interesting, useful and somewhat unique entity. With wii music, Nintendo have just plain ran out of ideas and encroached on one of the few big casual game areas which they weren't dominating in. Whatsmore, they've done a lousy and complacent job in getting in there. I just hope they fail big time with this (blind fanboyism and cheap prices will probably mean they won't) so they get a kick up the backside and start making some top knotch games which use what we've already bloody spent money on with our wii's and not keep making us buy add-ons/clip-ons/extra bathroom scales or implementing the existing control scheme exclusively into a load of casual, ported trite.

Good post. I never thought about Wii music the way you put it, but I def. agree.

Sadly, I'm sure Wiimusic is going to sell more copies than Zack and Wiki and No More Heroes put together.

Wii Music will most likely sell like hotcakes.. Simply because it's pickup and play and it doesn't require an extra accessory. I don't mind so much since I don't own (or will EVER own) a wii (again). However I do feel that this is a cheap trick to make even MORE money with little effort on the devs part. Take Rock Band or GH.. A ton of songs including DLC, Guess bands/artists, and a well thought-out accessory. Now compare that to what we witnessed with wii music.. :?

i'll wait for a review. I won't cry like a baby about it.flazzle

same here for all we know the game might end up being amazing

[QUOTE="flazzle"]i'll wait for a review. I won't cry like a baby about it.Serraph105

same here for all we know the game might end up being amazing

I seriously, seriously doubt that...

I'm so glad to see Nintendo fans who aren't blind to this. People have often called the wii itself a gimmick. Wii Music is the mother of all gimmicks. It couldn't be more gimmicky if it tried.chazasul

Thank you, I defended wii sports in my post, and, to some extent, wii fit, but seriously, wii music is just ridiculous. And yes, I seriously believe that Nintendo have for the first time with their 'gimmicks' seriously entered with technology and attitudes below that of their competition for once.

But yes, sadly, wii music will sell loads no doubt, I acknowledged this in my post. And if it ends up being an amazing game I will go out and buy a copy for myself and everyone I know who owns a wii out of sheer self-defeating shock!

I look at something like Carnival games and at first I thought?

Why in the heck would someone buy this thing?

It sold a million and a half copies.

Wii-Fit, I thought youhave to be kidding me? go outside, kick a ball, run around the block. Who would buy a Wii and a Wii Fit just to exercise??

In about six months its sold more units the any PS3 game to this point.

Now we are here with Wii-Music. and I have realized that Nintendo knows the market this generation and I would imagine when all the smoke clears it will have sold more copies then 90% of the other titles shown at E3.

I'm so glad to see Nintendo fans who aren't blind to this. People have often called the wii itself a gimmick. Wii Music is the mother of all gimmicks. It couldn't be more gimmicky if it tried.chazasul

Now for my moment of Zen Tranquility,

If something like Wii Fit outsells every game on PS3.

Is the Wii and Wii-Fit the gimmick?

If you dont care about something dont write a novel about it :|air_wolf_cubed

Right, I'm gonna throw a novel at you myself:

Firstly - I hate people who attack longer, considered posts, especially here in system wars where it's perhaps the most appropriate to back your points up. It's ridiculous, it's as if people want spammy, two sentence rants that don't elaborate or back themselves up at all.

Secondly - If the whole 'you don't like something or don't have something to support don't write about it' attitude was one to abide by, system wars wouldn't exist at all. It's a place to express our opinions on the current strategies and moves the three consoles are making in this generation of system wars. I OWN a wii and this post is as much about nintendo as the game itself. Also, there's a lot of educated reading out there which is all about looking at stuff people don't like or understand... serial killers for example!

Thirdly - If that's the attitude you follow, why bother replying in this thread?

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]If you dont care about something dont write a novel about it :|Ellythrion

Right, I'm gonna throw a novel at you myself:

Firstly - I hate people who attack longer, considered posts, especially here in system wars where it's perhaps the most appropriate to back your points up. It's ridiculous, it's as if people want spammy, two sentence rants that don't elaborate or back themselves up at all.

Secondly - If the whole 'you don't like something or don't have something to support don't write about it' attitude was one to abide by, system wars wouldn't exist at all. It's a place to express our opinions on the current strategies and moves the three consoles are making in this generation of system wars. I OWN a wii and this post is as much about nintendo as the game itself. Also, there's a lot of educated reading out there which is all about looking at stuff people don't like or understand... serial killers for example!

Thirdly - If that's the attitude you follow, why bother replying in this thread?

I look at something like Carnival games and at first I thought?

Why in the heck would someone buy this thing?

It sold a million and a half copies.

Wii-Fit, I thought youhave to be kidding me? go outside, kick a ball, run around the block. Who would buy a Wii and a Wii Fit just to exercise??

In about six months its sold more units the any PS3 game to this point.

Now we are here with Wii-Music. and I have realized that Nintendo knows the market this generation and I would imagine when all the smoke clears it will have sold more copies then 90% of the other titles shown at E3.

cosmostein77

Sales don't equate to a Good Game... And I may be mistaken but neither of those games were AAAA blockbusters... 50 Cent: Blood on the Sand may sell 3 million copies, but that doesn't mean it's a good game.

[QUOTE="Ellythrion"]

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]If you dont care about something dont write a novel about it :|air_wolf_cubed

Right, I'm gonna throw a novel at you myself:

Firstly - I hate people who attack longer, considered posts, especially here in system wars where it's perhaps the most appropriate to back your points up. It's ridiculous, it's as if people want spammy, two sentence rants that don't elaborate or back themselves up at all.

Secondly - If the whole 'you don't like something or don't have something to support don't write about it' attitude was one to abide by, system wars wouldn't exist at all. It's a place to express our opinions on the current strategies and moves the three consoles are making in this generation of system wars. I OWN a wii and this post is as much about nintendo as the game itself. Also, there's a lot of educated reading out there which is all about looking at stuff people don't like or understand... serial killers for example!

Thirdly - If that's the attitude you follow, why bother replying in this thread?

Nope, just care about using your attitude and ignorance to help illustrate a few points that have been annoying me about a lot of people on here for quite some time now.

But otherwise yeah, course I care about you! :P

If anyone is anticipating Wii Music, please doing the following:

1. Using your computer, radio, iHome, etc. choose a song you want to play to.

2. Grab your Wiimote and wave your hands around wildly while holding down the "A" Button.

3. Congratulations! You are playing Wii Music! Yay!

If anyone is anticipating Wii Music, please doing the following:

1. Using your computer, radio, iHome, etc. choose a song you want to play to.

2. Grab your Wiimote and wave your hands around wildly while holding down the "A" Button.

3. Congratulations! You are playing Wii Music! Yay!

ZeldaMaster32

haha! Too true!

Though let us not forget that the vast majority of music you'll probably hear on your computer/radio/whatever will be far superior to the noisy, slow drivel we endured at E3. So you actually get Wii Music 2: Sonic and Mario do Glanstonbury!

haha! Too true!

Though let us not forget that the vast majority of music you'll probably hear on your computer/radio/whatever will be far superior to the noisy, slow drivel we endured at E3. So you actually get Wii Music 2: Sonic and Mario do Glanstonbury!

Ellythrion

I still can't believe what the Mario theme sounded like when they "performed".

So much noise.

[QUOTE="chazasul"]I'm so glad to see Nintendo fans who aren't blind to this. People have often called the wii itself a gimmick. Wii Music is the mother of all gimmicks. It couldn't be more gimmicky if it tried.cosmostein77

Now for my moment of Zen Tranquility,

If something like Wii Fit outsells every game on PS3.

Is the Wii and Wii-Fit the gimmick?

I'm confused. Are you saying sales = not a gimmick? The average Wii customer really can't tell the difference.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="flazzle"]i'll wait for a review. I won't cry like a baby about it.Corvidae

same here for all we know the game might end up being amazing

I seriously, seriously doubt that...

Me too! I actually want to see a review because I can't believe its just 'move around and pretend to play at your own pace'. There HAS to be more to it!

Either way, Nintendo is not FORCING anyone to buy it! Ignore it if you don't like it! I'd rather see them experiment and fail than play it safe and deliver the same ol same ol. (However, this looks like some lame experiement...)

If anyone is anticipating Wii Music, please doing the following:

1. Using your computer, radio, iHome, etc. choose a song you want to play to.

2. Grab your Wiimote and wave your hands around wildly while holding down the "A" Button.

3. Congratulations! You are playing Wii Music! Yay!

ZeldaMaster32

You're argueing like someone actually thinks this will be a good game. Some might find it fun, but I doubt anyone thinks this is going to push any sort of limits or anything like that. Its not being hyped, its not even getting anything other than negative talk, so why tell everybody something they already know and have heard?beast667

Ermm correct me if I'm wrong but having it as the big final announcement at their E3 conference and spending 20 minutes on it kind of makes me think Nintendo have every intention of using the hype machine as much as they possibly can.

And not getting any other negative talk? Hmmm I think that's a definite case of selective memory.

To be fair, you can make your own music with over 50 different instrumentsair_wolf_cubed

Then move your hands to do a poor imitation of whatever instrument you choose to play.

If Wii Music was goal based and had some real songs rather than "Public Domain" hits such as Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, I might be interested in this game.

This game is noise and I'd rather watch my 2 year old cousin give me a cuter performance of what you do in Wii Music.

[QUOTE="beast667"]You're argueing like someone actually thinks this will be a good game. Some might find it fun, but I doubt anyone thinks this is going to push any sort of limits or anything like that. Its not being hyped, its not even getting anything other than negative talk, so why tell everybody something they already know and have heard?Ellythrion

Ermm correct me if I'm wrong but having it as the big final announcement at their E3 conference and spending 20 minutes on it kind of makes me think Nintendo have every intention of using the hype machine as much as they possibly can.

And not getting any other negative talk? Hmmm I think that's a definite case of selective memory.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]To be fair, you can make your own music with over 50 different instrumentsZeldaMaster32

Then move your hands to do a poor imitation of whatever instrument you choose to play.

If Wii Music was goal based and had some real songs rather than "Public Domain" hits such as Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, I might be interested in this game.

This game is noise and I'd rather watch my 2 year old cousin give me a cuter performance of what you do in Wii Music.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]To be fair, you can make your own music with over 50 different instrumentsZeldaMaster32

Then move your hands to do a poor imitation of whatever instrument you choose to play.

If Wii Music was goal based and had some real songs rather than "Public Domain" hits such as Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, I might be interested in this game.

This game is noise and I'd rather watch my 2 year old cousin give me a cuter performance of what you do in Wii Music.

i dont think you can find things lying around the house that will sound like a guitar or a lot of wind instrumentsair_wolf_cubed

You're right.

The sound that comes out of the Wiimote's speaker is the only high quality method to replicate those sounds.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]i dont think you can find things lying around the house that will sound like a guitar or a lot of wind instrumentsZeldaMaster32

You're right.

The sound that comes out of the Wiimote's speaker is the only high quality method to replicate those sounds.

it comes out of the TV(or atrached speakers) :|air_wolf_cubed

Really?

Then Nintendo really gimped the Mario song, Jesus Christ.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]it comes out of the TV(or atrached speakers) :|ZeldaMaster32

Really?

Then Nintendo really gimped the Mario song, Jesus Christ.

Eletroplankton was pointeless too, but I have a lot of fun with it. I'm not interested in Wii Music, but there will be people interested, and I have no problem with it. Why bash people that like things you don't like?MagnuzGuerra

because its hip

[QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"]Eletroplankton was pointeless too, but I have a lot of fun with it. I'm not interested in Wii Music, but there will be people interested, and I have no problem with it. Why bash people that like things you don't like?Serraph105

because its hip

I would say it's about as pointless as Line Rider.BubbyJello

[QUOTE="Ellythrion"]

haha! Too true!

Though let us not forget that the vast majority of music you'll probably hear on your computer/radio/whatever will be far superior to the noisy, slow drivel we endured at E3. So you actually get Wii Music 2: Sonic and Mario do Glanstonbury!

ZeldaMaster32

I still can't believe what the Mario theme sounded like when they "performed".

So much noise.

I never thought I would say this, but Nintendo has really lost their way. It was fine when a little bit their lineup consisted of casual wii titles, because they were clearly trying to expand their market, and they even had a solid amount of hardcore games to show that they still supported the hardcore, but now this? Nintendo is abandoning what made them so great and successful in the first place (challenging and rewarding quality titles) for quick pick up and play gimmicks with no lasting value. Sure there are a few hardcore titles coming but it was obvious by the direction of the conference that hardcore gamers are now secondary to six year old kids and soccor moms.

And here is something interesting I thought about: instead of pandering to non-gamer ignorance and lack of advanced motor skills by making "non-games", why not make accessible yet decievingly deep video games that actually convert non-gamers into gamers? Why lower the bar just to get a larger paycheck?

I'm going to wait until I play it to pass judgement. It looks pretty weird, but it might be really cool. I think all music/rhythm based games are fairly pointless. Have you ever seen how dumb people look playing GH or Rock Band. I have GH II&III and I have fun playing them, but they are very corny and pointless compared to playing real music. I don't see how they are any different than Wii Music.gamecubepad

that was what i thought when i first found out about the wii controller

I'm going to wait until I play it to pass judgement. It looks pretty weird, but it might be really cool. I think all music/rhythm based games are fairly pointless. Have you ever seen how dumb people look playing GH or Rock Band. I have GH II&III and I have fun playing them, but they are very corny and pointless compared to playing real music. I don't see how they are any different than Wii Music.gamecubepad

GH and RB actually make timing and button pressing challenging. with wii music you just hit random buttons and it comes out right anyways. completely pointless

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]I'm going to wait until I play it to pass judgement. It looks pretty weird, but it might be really cool. I think all music/rhythm based games are fairly pointless. Have you ever seen how dumb people look playing GH or Rock Band. I have GH II&III and I have fun playing them, but they are very corny and pointless compared to playing real music. I don't see how they are any different than Wii Music.mistervengeance

GH and RB actually make timing and button pressing challenging. with wii music you just hit random buttons and it comes out right anyways. completely pointless

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]I'm going to wait until I play it to pass judgement. It looks pretty weird, but it might be really cool. I think all music/rhythm based games are fairly pointless. Have you ever seen how dumb people look playing GH or Rock Band. I have GH II&III and I have fun playing them, but they are very corny and pointless compared to playing real music. I don't see how they are any different than Wii Music.mistervengeance

GH and RB actually make timing and button pressing challenging. with wii music you just hit random buttons and it comes out right anyways. completely pointless

Some people will have fun with it, so it's not completely pointless.

Believe it or not, not everyone needs challenge or competition to have fun.