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#1 blackman88
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http://www.polygon.com/2015/3/4/8149643/hands-on-with-the-final-version-of-the-steam-controller

"It's a strange controller if you're used to the offerings on consoles. There are two touch pads, one on either side, that double as buttons. There are triggers, two bumpers, and two more buttons on the rear of the system on either side. That means that, ignoring the four face buttons, two touch pads and analog stick, there are six buttons on the rear of the controller."

Analog stick???? Yes Analog Stick, not analog sticks. This controller has one analog stick......

I mean valve, do you even want a chance in the living room competition with the consoles.

One analog stick, in 2015. My god

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#2 ShadowDeathX
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Yes, one analog stick.

Do you not know the purpose of the touch pads??

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#3  Edited By lundy86_4
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It uses the second touchpad to replicate the right analog stick IIRC. In fact, it has multiple uses as stated in your own source. L2R.

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#4 NyaDC
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You clearly didn't research this controller or its functions...

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#5 lostrib
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old news is old

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#8 loomis2170
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Valve has no chance against Xbox one,ps4,wiiu.

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#9  Edited By blackman88
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@nyadc:

Oh i did. I read the article did you. You know there is no way in hell that touchpad will simulate a mouse correctly. When has a laptop mouse pad ever been as good as an actual mouse. The answer is never.

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#10 Daious
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@blackman88 said:

@nyadc:

You know there is no way in hell that touchpas wikl simulate a nouse correctly. When has a laptip mouse pad ever bee.

Holy crap. What did I just read?

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#11 GhoX
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It's so much better than traditional controllers for FPS, I was really really hoping that it'd work on my PS4.

It does not.

Stupid PS4 merely reads it as keyboard/mouse inputs...

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#12 blackman88
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@daious:

A ton of typos out of frustration. Lmao

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#14 NyaDC
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@blackman88 said:

@nyadc:

Oh i did. I read the article did you. You know there is no way in hell that touchpad will simulate a mouse correctly. When has a laptop mouse pad ever been as good as an actual mouse. The answer is never.

Of course it's not going to simulate a mouse perfectly, however this has been engineered specifically for gaming and I'm sure it will work great, this isn't a damn laptop...

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#15 blackman88
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@nyadc:

Your right its not a laptop, its a 50 dollar controller...

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#16  Edited By remiks00
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#17 waahahah
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@blackman88: Its still more accurate than an analog stick, we just loose the tactile feedback for accuracy. I'm pretty sure its a different type of touchpad than a laptop and more accurate anway.

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#18 FrozenLiquid
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@rskueem said:
@yourdeadgrandpa said:

Best controller for PC is a mouse and a keyboard if you know to use the most optimal control scheme available. Fighting stick for fighters, wheel for driving games. Anyone remember Gravis for PC?

I prefer mouse & keyboard. Street Fighter works amazing on keyboard

No it doesn't work amazingly well. You'll get bodied pretty hard by any player on your level whose on a pad or a fighting stick. Fighting games are made with the ergonomics of a stick, and to a lesser extent gamepads (in particular the fightpad ones). Advanced techniques are executed consistently on those inputs than with a keyboard.

Just because you can do some of Zangief's moves on a keyboard doesn't mean anything. Also, playing against the CPU doesn't count.

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#19  Edited By lamprey263
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if people want analogs sticks for a casual sit bakc experience they can buy an Xbox One or Xbox 360 controller, I'd choose an Xbox 360 controller because those things are tough as nails and the Xbox One controller is expensive, overprice, cheaply built Chinese piece of shit

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#20 uninspiredcup
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One analog stick.

One.

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#21 loomis2170
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@rskueem: ya not at 450.90 price point it isnt

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#22 loomis2170
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"Hahahaha. Mouse /Keyboard, Steam Controller, Fighting Stick, Racing Wheel, Flight Stick ( for space sims) etc > x1,ps4,wiiu"

Steam= 500.00

Ps4,Xbox one= 350.00

What do you think people will buy if cost is a factor?

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#23  Edited By Litchie
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I will reserve judgement before I've tried it. Although, I don't have much interest in gaming with a controller with touch screens instead of analog sticks. And I already have 360 controllers for my PC, which does what I want. The d-pad really sucks on those, but I don't care enough to get a new controller just because of that.

So right now, Valve's controller looks weird and is unnecessary.

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#24 remiks00
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@yourdeadgrandpa said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravis_PC_GamePad#mediaviewer/File:Gravis_pc_gamepad.jpg

Anyone remember Gravis for PC? it was unbreakable...
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ns-RU_m9--/1908rp1s2i4tajpg.jpg

Gravis Gamepad Pro. Best freaking controller, has last me more than a decade. Cheap, sturdy, amazing. Even if I lost the little stick years ago.

You just earned cool points from me. I used that controller for Commander Keen & Jazz Jackrabbit back in the day as a kid.

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@lamprey263 said:

if people want analogs sticks for a casual sit bakc experience they can buy an Xbox One or Xbox 360 controller, I'd choose an Xbox 360 controller because those things are tough as nails and the Xbox One controller is expensive, overprice, cheaply built Chinese piece of shit

Huh? The 360 controller deteriorates so much faster than the Xbox One controller. I've used my Xbox One controller for around 800h and the analogs are no different from when I first used them. The 360 ones would just flatten out and fall apart in no time at all.

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@Litchie said:

I will reserve judgement before I've tried it. Although, I don't have much interest in gaming with a controller with touch screens instead of analog sticks. And I already have 360 controllers for my PC, which does what I want. The d-pad really sucks on those, but I don't care enough to get a new controller just because of that.

So right now, Valve's controller looks weird and is unnecessary.

That's the only thing people seem to focus on. So what if it looks weird ? The touch pads are more precise than any analogue-stick ever made and allows people to play strategy games from their couch.

So no, it's not unnecessary.

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#27 Litchie
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@faizanhd said:
@Litchie said:

I will reserve judgement before I've tried it. Although, I don't have much interest in gaming with a controller with touch screens instead of analog sticks. And I already have 360 controllers for my PC, which does what I want. The d-pad really sucks on those, but I don't care enough to get a new controller just because of that.

So right now, Valve's controller looks weird and is unnecessary.

That's the only thing people seem to focus on. So what if it looks weird ? The touch pads are more precise than any analogue-stick ever made and allows people to play strategy games from their couch.

So no, it's not unnecessary.

I already have 360 controllers and don't want to play strategy games from my couch. So yes, for me it's unnecessary. By "looking weird" I meant it having touch pads instead of analog sticks. But the GameCube controller looked weird, and I think that's the best controller ever made. Like I said, I will reserve judgement before trying it.

Anyway, you have tried the controller I see. I had no idea the touch pads were more precise than analog sticks..

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#28 LegatoSkyheart
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don't see the fuss considering you just use the touch pad to simulate mouse controls.

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#29 gameofthering
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I'll be fine with one analog stick if it is anything like the DS/3DS. Those handhelds control FPS games better.

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#30 pyro1245
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Thankfully PCs give you the freedom to use any input devices you like.

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#31  Edited By deactivated-597794cd74015
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@Litchie said:
@faizanhd said:
@Litchie said:

I will reserve judgement before I've tried it. Although, I don't have much interest in gaming with a controller with touch screens instead of analog sticks. And I already have 360 controllers for my PC, which does what I want. The d-pad really sucks on those, but I don't care enough to get a new controller just because of that.

So right now, Valve's controller looks weird and is unnecessary.

That's the only thing people seem to focus on. So what if it looks weird ? The touch pads are more precise than any analogue-stick ever made and allows people to play strategy games from their couch.

So no, it's not unnecessary.

I already have 360 controllers and don't want to play strategy games from my couch. So yes, for me it's unnecessary. By "looking weird" I meant it having touch pads instead of analog sticks. But the GameCube controller looked weird, and I think that's the best controller ever made. Like I said, I will reserve judgement before trying it.

Anyway, you have tried the controller I see. I had no idea the touch pads were more precise than analog sticks..

It's very precise. The surface is soft and responsive. You do need to calibrate sensitivity first however.

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#32 lamprey263
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@funkmaster1233 said:
@lamprey263 said:

if people want analogs sticks for a casual sit bakc experience they can buy an Xbox One or Xbox 360 controller, I'd choose an Xbox 360 controller because those things are tough as nails and the Xbox One controller is expensive, overprice, cheaply built Chinese piece of shit

Huh? The 360 controller deteriorates so much faster than the Xbox One controller. I've used my Xbox One controller for around 800h and the analogs are no different from when I first used them. The 360 ones would just flatten out and fall apart in no time at all.

only person I've known to get flat sticks are people who buy used controller from GameStop and well there's a reason someone with broken thumb sticks would sell them to GameStop is GameStop would take them and sell them to others trying to save a few dollars, that and every store demo from Walmart to Target had broken thumbsticks because nobody respects what isn't theirs

and I made a thread about this, the Xbox One uses similar analog mechanism of as that of Xbox 360, except the Xbox 360 controller is made sturdier and uses metal parts and the Xbox One controller went cheap on the design and uses plastic pieces that break very easily

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#33  Edited By R10nu
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Vavle gets thumbs up from me simply for the fact that they try to change up the standard controller layout, which is lacking yet refuses to improve.

Well, hardware developers refuse to improve it. But Valve doesn't.

Extra buttons under pinky/ring fingers are a definite step forward. The jury is out on the rest of it.

@blackman88 said:

@nyadc:

Oh i did. I read the article did you. You know there is no way in hell that touchpad will simulate a mouse correctly. When has a laptop mouse pad ever been as good as an actual mouse. The answer is never.

Guess you didn't read the article after all.

It's not a laptop touchpad.

And it's not supposed to beat the mouse. It's supposed to be the next best thing for situations where it'd be cumbersome to use a mouse.

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No it doesn't work amazingly well. You'll get bodied pretty hard by any player on your level whose on a pad or a fighting stick. Fighting games are made with the ergonomics of a stick, and to a lesser extent gamepads (in particular the fightpad ones). Advanced techniques are executed consistently on those inputs than with a keyboard.

Just because you can do some of Zangief's moves on a keyboard doesn't mean anything. Also, playing against the CPU doesn't count.

Are you seriously saying that controlling your directions with one thumb (gamepad) is better than with 4 fingers?

Get the **** out.

A stick? Maybe, but it's down to preference.

Some people prefer hitboxes. And those are basically keyboards with lesser, bigger buttons.

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#34 FoxbatAlpha
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He doesn't know about the three seashells? lol

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#35 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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@ShadowDeathX said:

Yes, one analog stick.

Do you not know the purpose of the touch pads??

Given who he is... I doubt it...

yet another terrible Blackman88 thread....

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#36  Edited By ReadingRainbow4
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At least this is a step up from creating hats.

Hopefully next they'll actually y'know, make a game again.

Moba's don't count.

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#37 foxhound_fox
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The touch pads are more accurate than the analogue stick.

The former of which would be for aiming, and the latter is for moving. It's an actual evolution of a two-decade old design.

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#38 Alcapello
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Any company that doesn't develop for the playstation is a idiot.

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#39  Edited By speedfog
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Just go away and do some research.