Seriously...Will Killzone 2 be beinging anything new to the table?

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#1 MortalDecay
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I see a lot of damage control threads lately by cows that seem to be scared of Gears 2. Nitpicking every little pixel, in every little pic of Gears 1. A game that still, after 2 years, looks better than 99% of what the PS3 has to offer.

As far as KZ2, I guess the cows don't remember what happened with the original KZ. Hyping it to be the ultimate Halo killer. Posting every doctored pic they could find, saying it looked better than anything on the original Xbox. How embarrassing that was. Now it's happening all over again.

Graphics aside, what is KZ2 bringing to the table, gameplay wise, that we've never seen before? What will make it stand out above the rest? You cows still care about gameplay, right? I don't care how good a game looks, if KZ2 is anything like the first crapfest, it'll flop, in my book.

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#2 osan0
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previews from some mags ive seen are not positive so far. in summary, it sounds like a pretty but average game....run of the mill. maybe the devs have a few tricks up their sleeves.

anywho im far more interested in resistance 2 after e3. ill be keeping an eye on that.

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#3 lawlessx
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i too would like to know what killzone 2 will be doing differently.

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#4 carlisledavid79
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Seems somebodys worried about KZ2.

Ill form an opinion when I get to try it myself.

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#5 ONLYDOD
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Nothing significant I can think of, and FYI a game doesn't need to bring something new to the table to be good, it can just do a danm good job of what you generally find in the genre.
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#6 nervmeister
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Do you want Killzone 2 to bring anything new to the table or are you hoping it'll flop? If it's the second, then this discussion is pointless.
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#7 Chutebox
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Both games are getting a lot of crap from both sides. Don't act like the lemmings are innocent here.

Both games really aren't bringing anything new to the genre, no big deal. A game doesn't need to be innovative do do well.

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#8 LibertySaint
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k2 is suppose to bring a new level of immersion, so the devlopers say, great new way of playing mp, with the mode still unannouced, intresting MP with class system and ranks like cod4, sp that is engaging and plays well....so yeah the same thing as every good game brings to the table..oh and the graphics.
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Why do games always need to "bring something new to the table"? Quite frankly I'm content with playing anything that's fun, whether or not it is "new and innovative".
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I see a lot of damage control threads lately by cows that seem to be scared of Gears 2.Nitpicking every little pixel, in every little pic of Gears 1. A game that still, after 2 years, looks better than 99% of what the PS3 has to offer.

As far as KZ2, I guess the cows don't remember what happened with the original KZ. Hyping it to be the ultimate Halo killer. Posting every doctored pic they could find, saying it looked better than anything on the original Xbox. How embarrassing that was. Now it's happening all over again.

Graphics aside, what is KZ2 bringing to the table, gameplay wise, that we've never seen before? What will make it stand out above the rest? You cows still care about gameplay, right? I don't care how good a game looks, if KZ2 is anything like the first crapfest, it'll flop, in my book.

MortalDecay

Yup, lemmings never EVER nitpick pictures of KZ 2, Uncharted, and MGS4.

Good old angelic lemmings.

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#11 thrones
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Nothing, probably. But it's not like you need innovation to be a great game these days.
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#12 MortalDecay
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Seems somebodys worried about KZ2.

Ill form an opinion when I get to try it myself.

carlisledavid79

Yeah...I am worried about the sequal to one of the biggest flops in the history of the Playstation brand. :|

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#13 Burnsmiesta
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Its an FPS, what do you want it to do?
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#14 lawlessx
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Both games are getting a lot of crap from both sides. Don't act like the lemmings are innocent here.

Both games really aren't bringing anything new to the genre, no big deal. A game doesn't need to be innovative do do well.

Chutebox

how are lemmings playing innocent?

and i agree..games dont really have to reinvent the wheel to be great,but when it's an exclusive to one console..fanboys are going to throw that kind of logic out the window and be hard to impress.

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#15 carlisledavid79
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[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]

Seems somebodys worried about KZ2.

Ill form an opinion when I get to try it myself.

MortalDecay

Yeah...I am worried about the sequal to one of the biggest flops in the history of the Playstation brand. :|

The first Killzone was so bad it was unfunny so I agree with you on that point. But I'm still going to hold back on an opinion until I try KZ2.

Even the GTA series started of pretty mediocre

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#16 crazy-player
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Yes, it will bring darker shades of gray, black, and brown...

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#17 VanHelsingBoA64
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[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]

Seems somebodys worried about KZ2.

Ill form an opinion when I get to try it myself.

MortalDecay

Yeah...I am worried about the sequal to one of the biggest flops in the history of the Playstation brand. :|

Great comeback.

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Do you want Killzone 2 to bring anything new to the table or are you hoping it'll flop? If it's the second, then this discussion is pointless.nervmeister

I want, as much as any cow here, for there to be a good reason, other than BluRay, to own a PS3. Yeah, I'm a lemming. I dislike Sony because of their excuses, lies, hype, etc. (Cows can say all companies do that all they want. But MS has been better about keeping promises than Sony. This is fact.) But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't buy a PS3 if Sony got their head out of their rump, and there were a few decent games out. One (MGS4) isn't enough, for me anyways.

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#19 MortalDecay
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Its an FPS, what do you want it to do? Burnsmiesta

Way to encourage innovation, bud.

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#20 Javy03
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i too would like to know what killzone 2 will be doing differently.

lawlessx

Yes because Halo and COD4 are just so revolutionary. It doesnt have to reinvent the wheel, just make it a fun ride. Most games dont bring drastic new to the table.

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[QUOTE="nervmeister"]Do you want Killzone 2 to bring anything new to the table or are you hoping it'll flop? If it's the second, then this discussion is pointless.MortalDecay

I want, as much as any cow here, for there to be a good reason, other than BluRay, to own a PS3. Yeah, I'm a lemming. I dislike Sony because of their excuses, lies, hype, etc. (Cows can say all companies do that all they want. But MS has been better about keeping promises than Sony. This is fact.) But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't buy a PS3 if Sony got their head out of their rump, and there were a few decent games out. One (MGS4) isn't enough, for me anyways.

Well, I can sympathize with you somewhat seeing as that I am well aware of some of the epic BS Sony's pulled in the past, but have you ever considered games like Uncharted, Warhawk, or Future Tools of Destruction? You may not want to hear this, but even though GS doesn't exactly salivate at them, they're still great exclusives in their own right and aren't likely to leave you bored.
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#22 SiKh22
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like COD, multiplayer will be KZ2 main point..I can feel it!
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#23 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

i too would like to know what killzone 2 will be doing differently.

Javy03

Yes because Halo and COD4 are just so revolutionary. It doesnt have to reinvent the wheel, just make it a fun ride. Most games dont bring drastic new to the table.

Halo is crap. I never liked it. It's probably the most generic FPS around.

COD4 did offer the ranking system, which is pretty cool. I'm not aware of any other FPS to have this. If I am wrong, my apologies.

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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

I see a lot of damage control threads lately by cows that seem to be scared of Gears 2.Nitpicking every little pixel, in every little pic of Gears 1. A game that still, after 2 years, looks better than 99% of what the PS3 has to offer.

As far as KZ2, I guess the cows don't remember what happened with the original KZ. Hyping it to be the ultimate Halo killer. Posting every doctored pic they could find, saying it looked better than anything on the original Xbox. How embarrassing that was. Now it's happening all over again.

Graphics aside, what is KZ2 bringing to the table, gameplay wise, that we've never seen before? What will make it stand out above the rest? You cows still care about gameplay, right? I don't care how good a game looks, if KZ2 is anything like the first crapfest, it'll flop, in my book.

VanHelsingBoA64

Yup, lemmings never EVER nitpick pictures of KZ 2, Uncharted, and MGS4.

Good old angelic lemmings.


And there damage controlling...like seriously, good job on supporting his point.
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[QUOTE="Burnsmiesta"]Its an FPS, what do you want it to do? MortalDecay

Way to encourage innovation, bud.



Lmao I didn't realise devs read my comments on SW.
Seriously though, its never be touted as innovative. Its main draw and focus seem to be its graphics, just because it isn't innovative doesn't mean it won't be fun.
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#26 nervmeister
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Halo is crap. I never liked it. It's probably the most generic FPS around.

MortalDecay

Hah! And you call yourself a lemming.

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#27 dark-warmachine
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Why do games always need to "bring something new to the table"? Quite frankly I'm content with playing anything that's fun, whether or not it is "new and innovative".death919
same here Back on topic TC obviously wants killzone 2 to flop so why bother.
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#28 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

Halo is crap. I never liked it. It's probably the most generic FPS around.

nervmeister

Hah! And you call yourself a lemming.

:lol: Not all lems like garbage. At least I hope not. If being a lem means I must like Halo, then I guess I'm out.

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#29 VanHelsingBoA64
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[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

I see a lot of damage control threads lately by cows that seem to be scared of Gears 2.Nitpicking every little pixel, in every little pic of Gears 1. A game that still, after 2 years, looks better than 99% of what the PS3 has to offer.

As far as KZ2, I guess the cows don't remember what happened with the original KZ. Hyping it to be the ultimate Halo killer. Posting every doctored pic they could find, saying it looked better than anything on the original Xbox. How embarrassing that was. Now it's happening all over again.

Graphics aside, what is KZ2 bringing to the table, gameplay wise, that we've never seen before? What will make it stand out above the rest? You cows still care about gameplay, right? I don't care how good a game looks, if KZ2 is anything like the first crapfest, it'll flop, in my book.

darkslider99

Yup, lemmings never EVER nitpick pictures of KZ 2, Uncharted, and MGS4.

Good old angelic lemmings.


And there damage controlling...like seriously, good job on supporting his point.

Like seriously, you mean "KZ 2 brings nothing new to the table"?

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#30 Tykain
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Prolly wont bring anything new, but a game don't need to be innovative to be good.
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#31 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

[QUOTE="Burnsmiesta"]Its an FPS, what do you want it to do? Burnsmiesta

Way to encourage innovation, bud.



Lmao I didn't realise devs read my comments on SW.
Seriously though, its never be touted as innovative. Its main draw and focus seem to be its graphics, just because it isn't innovative doesn't mean it won't be fun.

You're right. I am just wondering why cows are hyping it to be the second coming. I mean, I don't many lems hyping Gears 2 that much, if at all.

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#32 thrones
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[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

i too would like to know what killzone 2 will be doing differently.

MortalDecay

Yes because Halo and COD4 are just so revolutionary. It doesnt have to reinvent the wheel, just make it a fun ride. Most games dont bring drastic new to the table.

Halo is crap. I never liked it. It's probably the most generic FPS around.

COD4 did offer the ranking system, which is pretty cool. I'm not aware of any other FPS to have this. If I am wrong, my apologies.

Alot of games had ranking, Battlefield for one stands out prominently.
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[QUOTE="Burnsmiesta"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

[QUOTE="Burnsmiesta"]Its an FPS, what do you want it to do? MortalDecay

Way to encourage innovation, bud.



Lmao I didn't realise devs read my comments on SW.
Seriously though, its never be touted as innovative. Its main draw and focus seem to be its graphics, just because it isn't innovative doesn't mean it won't be fun.

You're right. I am just wondering why cows are hyping it to be the second coming. I mean, I don't many lems hyping Gears 2 that much, if at all.

Of course Gears 2 is being hyped, and rightly so.

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#35 nervmeister
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[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

Halo is crap. I never liked it. It's probably the most generic FPS around.

MortalDecay

Hah! And you call yourself a lemming.

:lol: Not all lems like garbage. At least I hope not. If being a lem means I must like Halo, then I guess I'm out.

Don't worry. You still got plenty of lemming in you. But I'd say about 1/3 of you is still human.
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[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

i too would like to know what killzone 2 will be doing differently.

MortalDecay

Yes because Halo and COD4 are just so revolutionary. It doesnt have to reinvent the wheel, just make it a fun ride. Most games dont bring drastic new to the table.

Halo is crap. I never liked it. It's probably the most generic FPS around.

COD4 did offer the ranking system, which is pretty cool. I'm not aware of any other FPS to have this. If I am wrong, my apologies.

BF 2 was the first game wtih ranks and unlockables

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#37 white_sox
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Everyone's all about the innovation nowadays...Killzone 2 doesn't have to reinvent the wheel for FPS. It takes a lot of good things from past shooters and implements them into the game.
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#38 virtuas
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the mORE IMPORTANT question is what will gears 2 bring anything new to the table, other than teh "shiny"
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#39 DanteSuikoden
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If it improves gameplay it doesn't have to bring anything new to be good.
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#40 Ragashahs
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what do any shooters now a day bring to the table thats new? cod4, halo 3, rfom and gears all brought nothing new to the FPS genre but do you know why they're all great? cause the all did the essentials great and added your own unique twist to it. think about it what exactly has each title done to innovate this gen. nothing but good game find away to stand out for resistance it's the weapons, is weapons having alt fire new now but insomniac made it standard on every weapons and made very unique weapons. for gears it's the art style, gore and cover gameplay, is this the first time we've seen cover and fire gameplay before? no but epic used it well and made it very streamlined and easy to use. a game doesn't have to innovate just be unique and stand out which killzone 2 is doing. having a graphical presentation that so far is unmatched imo on consoles and giving a twist to the class based multiplayer so i think KZ2 has enough to keep if different from the crowd
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#41 LagSwitch
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How about this question?

Will Gears 2 be bringing anything new to the table?

Probably not.

It'll be the exact same as the first one.

Plus, I'm sure you havent played a single ps3 game in your life.

You stated that Gears 2 is better than 99% of the ps3's offerings.

If you truly believe this, then Im sure you couldnt have played more than a few minutes of great titles like uncharted, MGS4, Ratchet.

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#42 MikeE21286
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Will [insert thousands of game titles] bring anything new
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the mORE IMPORTANT question is what will gears 2 bring anything new to the table, other than teh "shiny"virtuas
They'll probably keep the ol' tried and true formula much the same, while adding on new weapons and combat abilities. And there will new enemies and possibly tweaks to enemy AI. Enemy vehicle jacking (including Brumaks) will also be incorporated. But these are mostly modifications rather than radically new elements.
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[QUOTE="nervmeister"]Do you want Killzone 2 to bring anything new to the table or are you hoping it'll flop? If it's the second, then this discussion is pointless.MortalDecay

I want, as much as any cow here, for there to be a good reason, other than BluRay, to own a PS3. Yeah, I'm a lemming. I dislike Sony because of their excuses, lies, hype, etc. (Cows can say all companies do that all they want. But MS has been better about keeping promises than Sony. This is fact.) But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't buy a PS3 if Sony got their head out of their rump, and there were a few decent games out. One (MGS4) isn't enough, for me anyways.

you should be a comedian

and put jokes like this on youtube

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It's probably the first FPS with FPS cover. Other than that, the rest are just improvements over the first Killzone.

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I would say the main draw for me is the Valor points that clans can bet before matches. Its a small thing, but anyone that gambles knows how much intensity is added when you've got something to lose. As far as the game goes it looks good sometimes and ok sometimes, as long as the multiplayer is good thats all I care about. A good single player is normally only played once, so if it is good, thats just icing on the cake

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#48 Javy03
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I dont get you, you bash KZ2 for not bringing anything new to the table yet when I look at some of the games you scored I see games like MK: Deception and Shaolin Monks with scores of 8.6 and 8.9. Condemned 2 and FEAR you also gave high scores, and all of those games are far from revolutionary.

Heck you even gave original Killzone a 9!!! If you loved the original, then why are you bashing the sequal which is improving greatly on, according to you, is an already great game. I think the person nitpicking is you because most of the games you scored bring nothing new to the table and you gave plenty of 9's.

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Wow I hate how you keep bringing up KZ2 with that kind of stuff yet COD4 and Halo didn't bring anything new either:|. At least KZ2 has a FP Cover Machanic :|.
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#50 ExplosiveChorro
Member since 2008 • 1074 Posts
killzone 2 looks good what im really interested is the MP, and from the looks of it, its turning out to be pretty sweet.